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Gengarite Tiering Discussion [read post #383]
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My personal view is that it should be Uber, simply because Gengar and Mega Gengar are absolute power houses.
In normal situations, you'd have the option to switch but a pre-morphed MG prevents that, which means it's able to strike first and kill most pokes in the OU meta game, with no counter play available.
I feel like it will have too big an impact on the OU meta game, changing it so the only pokemon than are run are those with enough speed to outspeed that monsterous 130 base speed or that can take that 170 base power special attack or else the tactics boil down to "kill 1, get it killed by MG".
In normal situations, you'd have the option to switch but a pre-morphed MG prevents that, which means it's able to strike first and kill most pokes in the OU meta game, with no counter play available.
I feel like it will have too big an impact on the OU meta game, changing it so the only pokemon than are run are those with enough speed to outspeed that monsterous 130 base speed or that can take that 170 base power special attack or else the tactics boil down to "kill 1, get it killed by MG".
This post is an example of everything in this argument that I don't like to see. It shows no knowledge of what Mega-Gengar is trying to do, or how it is played. To clear up counters to a sweeper. If the uncommon Choice Scarf Gengar is an apparent counter even when it can't switch in while Gengar is doing its job, and M-Gengar can switch out after anyway. Also, no Mega-Gengar user would switch into an EQ user but as you clearly said, "losing levitate" is an apparent con when it does not mean much at all, especially if it's being replaced by an arguably even more beneficial ability. Levitate can help get Gengar a place to switch in on an Earthquake, then Sub and Mega Evolve in case of Pursuit, switch out, and come in later to do its job. Therefore, because it can easily eliminate counters to a sweeper on your team giving you a win condition, and is the perfect recipient of VoltTurn/Parting Shot, can Taunt walls or Perish Trap, prevent against Pursuit, has great Offensive stats and speed but a useful supporting role, great unpredictability, Destiny Bond for an easy kill mid game, and a movepool that others would die for, I believe Gengarite should be banned to the Uber ban list.
Thank you for reading one of my first posts on this site,
I swear to god ill infract the next person who claims Mega Gengar loses to Blissey / Chansey
Not at all. Sure, I could lure Azumarill and then switch to something that beats it like defensive Tentacruel, but there's nothing to stop it from switching out, therefore my Volcarona would still have to worry about it. Here's the difference that no one seems to get:
YOU CAN'T SWITCH OUT OF MEGA GENGAR
While the principle in your second sentence is usually true, I disagree with your first one. Clearly, it's not irrelevant if a pokemon is a Mega or not, as Mega evolution is a one month old mechanic which has yet to be defined, through experience, in terms of competitive value (is it beneficial to sacrifice my item slot? what sort of mind games can I play with a potential mega-evo? etc). We're not talking about banning Thundurus here.
The last part of your post is speculation. Imagine you take those 3 megas out. Everyone turns to Mega-Scizor (for example), which in turn starts to overcentralize the metagame. And so on..
I found Zoroark to be a rather good at taking care of Mega Gengar. You can easily trick it into coming in, and hit it with a some thing like Night Slash.
4 Atk Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 192-228 (73.5 - 87.3%)
252 Atk Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 236-282 (90.4 - 108%)
252 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 307-367 (117.6 - 140.6%)
If you know it's going to attack:
4 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 283-335 (108.4 - 128.3%)
If you decide to go special you can use Night Daze (which I prefer over Dark Pulse) which is a Sure OHKO:
252 SpA Zoroark Night Daze vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 276-326 (105.7 - 124.9%)
Maybe come in as a Ghost-Type, making it go for Shadow Ball, or maybe Scizor making it go for Hidden Power Fire:
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 135-159 (51.7 - 60.9%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 136-160 (52.1 - 61.3%)
Of course, it could use Taunt, which really doesn't bother Zoroark much, or it could Sub, which will instantly break. As long as you don't have Mega Gengar use Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, or Hypnosis, you should be able to take it out. You can also use U-Turn to escape if you have to.
I'm just throwing this out there, as something I think could easily take care of Mega Gengar.
Also, I'm against banning the Gengarite
4 Atk Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 192-228 (73.5 - 87.3%)
252 Atk Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 236-282 (90.4 - 108%)
252 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Night Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 307-367 (117.6 - 140.6%)
If you know it's going to attack:
4 Atk Life Orb Zoroark Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 283-335 (108.4 - 128.3%)
If you decide to go special you can use Night Daze (which I prefer over Dark Pulse) which is a Sure OHKO:
252 SpA Zoroark Night Daze vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gengar: 276-326 (105.7 - 124.9%)
Maybe come in as a Ghost-Type, making it go for Shadow Ball, or maybe Scizor making it go for Hidden Power Fire:
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 135-159 (51.7 - 60.9%)
252 SpA Mega Gengar Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 136-160 (52.1 - 61.3%)
Of course, it could use Taunt, which really doesn't bother Zoroark much, or it could Sub, which will instantly break. As long as you don't have Mega Gengar use Sludge Bomb, Focus Blast, or Hypnosis, you should be able to take it out. You can also use U-Turn to escape if you have to.
I'm just throwing this out there, as something I think could easily take care of Mega Gengar.
Also, I'm against banning the Gengarite
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Maybe we are looking wrong at the current meta, and we need to unleash more stuff from Ubers to deal with MegaKanga/MegaGengar. Let Arceus-Bug, Blaziken and Deoxys-N join the fray. They aren't as broken as the former two so well. Or just remove the Ubers tier completely and have the OU meta full of broken shit, since I doubt it can be fixed anyway.
I would not be surprised.
shadowyoshi64 : How well does your Zoroark take a Focus Blast? You also disregarded Substitute as well as Perish Song Gengar.
I never had problems with MegaGengar because Defog from something as well as Sturdy Golem, one of the few things that beats almost any variant of Mega Gengar if it has a free switch and full health, but that does not mean I think MegaGengar should not be banned. MegaGengar has obviously some checks, but it has literally zero counters bar the skill of the user, since you can't switch out of it once it MegaEvolved.
(Just in case people think that's craftily edited, the first sentence is indeed the start of an argument whose conclusion is the second sentence.)
Fortunately, we don't only ban Pokemon when they beat every other Pokemon in the metagame 1v1, ie a Pokemon with no checks. This is a far stronger condition even than having no counters (which classically means you can beat every other Pokemon, if given a one-turn head-start). I am pretty convinced that no Pokemon has ever satisfied this condition - GameFreak aren't that silly.
However, what Gengar can do is beat, maybe, 80% of the metagame (the exact figure isn't important), and it has Shadow Tag. Shadow Tag is the gamebreaker, because it can kill 80% of the metagame without that 80% running off to hide. Fighting-immunity, immunity to Toxic and underrated bulk can help it switch in, as well as slow U-turn or even sacrificing a teammate. It then traps the only Pokemon that was stopping the opponent's Lucario or Aegislash or whatever 6-0'ing the rest of your team, uses Perish Song, plays around with Substitute / Protect for three turns just to give its teammate a free switch-in, gives itself up for the cause, and then said sweeper charges unchecked through the rest of your team.
The important thing to note here is that, as soon as Gengar came in, your fate was sealed. There was nothing you could do about it. That's why it's broken.
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I do know Zoroark cannot take a single hit from a Focus Blast:
252 SpA Mega Gengar Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 540-636 (206.8 - 243.6%)
The same applies with Sludge Bomb:
252 SpA Mega Gengar Sludge Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Zoroark: 304-358 (116.4 - 137.1%)
If you see a Gengar in the Team Preview, and there's no obvious Mega Stone user that isn't Gengar, then don't make your Zoroark something that will not make the Gengar use either Sludge Bomb, or Focus Blast.
I did also state, that Zoroark will break the Sub if Mega Gengar goes for it. For Mega Gengar using Parish Song, Zoroark can use U-turn, though you have to do it on a turn when Mega Gengar won't use Protect ,or U-turn could be Disabled the next turn, where your best chance of using it is right after Mega Gengar uses Protect.
Yes, but if you mispredict and you Sucker Punch while Gengar uses Focus Blast / Sludge Bomb, or the other way around, you use Night Slash while Gengar uses Focus Blast / Sludge Bomb?
Though I get your idea, and it is very likely to work on the ladder. Against a skilled opponent probably not so much, considering Mega Gengar is 'weak to its own user' due to its relative frailty. That means, that if said Gengar user makes a mistake, it is likely dead, and Zoroark makes mistakes more likely due to its appearance not being what it actually is.
Though I get your idea, and it is very likely to work on the ladder. Against a skilled opponent probably not so much, considering Mega Gengar is 'weak to its own user' due to its relative frailty. That means, that if said Gengar user makes a mistake, it is likely dead, and Zoroark makes mistakes more likely due to its appearance not being what it actually is.
I usually run Focus Sash for insurance if I fail to fool my opponent. Though it doesn't really help if there're hazards on the field, so Defog or Rapid Spin support may be needed.
Here's the thing. What bearing does being a Mega Pokemon actually have on the game that makes you want to treat it differently? Is bluffing Gengarite when I'm SubSplit LO any different than luring Ferrothorn in on Expert Belt HP Fire Rotom-W?
Also, there's nothing wrong with Mega-Scizor. It plays only slightly differently than regular Scizor, and both are viable, and neither are broken in the slightest. Yes, Mega-Scizor competes with these other 'mons for a Mega slot. Their leaving is irrelevent to if they're broken or not, unless one of the banned Pokemon was a major counter or check. This applies for all Megas too, not just Scizor. Can you honestly day that any other Megas are as broken as Mega Gengar and Kangaskan?
Also, not seeing Kangaskan and Gengar on every other team means that other, lesser Megas get used more often, metagame diversifies, etc. Right now, if you aren't using one if those two you're gimping yourself.
I hear a lot of auto win condition bull being thrown around right now. Of all of the current top threats in OU right now, what exactly is gengar able to trap and kill even with perish song. I'll ignore sweepers right now since mega gengars job is to take down walls and other pokemon preventing a sweep. Well, to sweep you probably need talonflame out of the way. However banded or bulk up talonflame easily ohko mega gengar with brave bird and often carry u-turn anyway. This isnt a huge deal though. Talonflame isnt on every team and most teams carry something to take a hit fairly well from a talonflame anyway. How about taking out that tyranitar to allow your own talonflame to sweep? Well, its a bit iffy and the perish trap set will likely lose to a crunch on the perish song turn. But again not a huge deal. You can just bring something in with a fighting type move to take it out later. How about rotom wash? Nope volt switch. Aegislash? Nope ghost type and has priority shadow sneak. Ferrothorn? As long as it doesnt run gyro ball or you have focus blast on your perish trapper. So I need to know,what exactly is being trapped and killed that would open up a sweep? Not kanga most of the time. Not most scizor. Not genesect. Not even heat ran sometimes. Gengar relies too much on the opponent switching in to gengar on a substitute for perish trapping to truly be reliable against top threats that generally threaten a team and or a sweep. Sure gengar still traps and reliably kills a lot of other popular sweep threatening Pokemon, but there are a lot of Mons that gengar simply cannot touch. I just don't see it as broken especially since it and an arguably more threatening Mega kengaskhan or Mega lucario can't be on the same team. Aside from maybe stall which is already severely threatened by things like gene sect and aegislashes mixed sets, very few teams are going to be severely crippled by a single gengar kill since it doesn't take out many top tier threats reliably. That's my two cents at least.
As the first logical and reasonable post I have seen in several pages, I'd like to respond to it.
Common Pursuit trappers:
TTar (assault vest or not, Calcs already show that focus blast does NOT ohko ttar-sand puts specially defensive ttar out of range) Who has both crunch and pursuit access (I mention crunch because prediction aside, let's not open that can of worms, does threaten an ohko if gengar stays in, while pursuit does not ohko unless gengar swaps out). Ttar is a viable and competitive OU mon, and neither crunch nor pursuit is out of the ordinary.
Scizor is another very common pursuit user. Specially defensive scizor can 2hko mega gengar while being 3hko'd in return (requires rocks if leftovers). This is probably the best answer out there to mega gengar as it also has bullet punch (priority) and U-turn (ability to pivot-slower than gengar-into something that can handle it/force it out). All three moves (pursuit, u-turn, and bullet punch) are standard moves and require nothing out of the ordinary to beat mega gengar.
Honchkrow can (depening on investment and stealth rocks) ohko gengar with pursuit and (guarunteed) ohko gengar with sucker punch, while not being ohko'd by any of gengars moves aside from thunderbolt due to its typing (neutral focus blast, neutral sludge wave/bomb and resisted shadow ball). Notably sludge wave has the ohko after stealth rock damage if theres no spD investment on the honchkrow. Neither move is out of the ordinary on honchkrow, though the mon itself is UU, it has been brought up in this thread and so I mention it here.
Heracross, though not the most common of pursuit users, also 2hkos with pursuit (if mega'd, the only real reason to use heracross, and OHKOs if the switch out happens) but does get 2hko'd in return with zero special investment, though theoretically one could invest in hp due to heracross's subpar speed and noteable bulk and at 252 hp it requires a 3hko after rocks and becomes a true pursuit counter, with 2hko pursuit and ohko on the switch out. This is an example of one pursuit trapper that could develop in a gengar-ou metagame, but isn't necessarily common currently.
Metagross, who has fallen out of favor a lot, does land the 2hko after rocks or being banded (not uncommon) and does get the ohko if switched out, but with only 252 hp investment, it does get ohko'd after rocks and a chance to be ohko'd without rocks due to steel's nerfs. Not a great switch in unless the gengar in question doesnt pack shadow ball (but most do, so we're going to just say metagross doesn't work).
Bisharp, despite being UU, has both sucker punch and pursuit. While requiring prediction, pursuit gets the ohko on switch out and sucker punch gets the ohko with priority, both guarunteed without rocks. The problem here is that focus blast, while inaccurate, absolutely and utterly destroys bisharp. While this is more set-reliant, Bisharp is a fairly reliable answer to gengar, being able to deal with most sets of gengar through the combination of pursuit/sucker punch, as its typing ignores both of gengars stabs (immunity to poison, and taking 3 turns to kill with shadow ball, even with steels nerf). Neither move is out of the ordinary on bisharp, so I will include him as a pursuit counter.
Role as support:
He can unquestionably deal with most walls, but there are certain threats to sweepers he is not guarunteed to deal with, just by their nature. Things like sash users and scarf revenge killers are not necessarily things gengar can deal with. He can clear out gliscors/chanseys/insert wall here, but revenge killers are harder for him to deal with just by their nature. If gengar takes out the opposing wall, only for your salamence/dragonite/etc to be met with scarfed garchomp outrage, gengar will not be able to do anything about it, as it does not outspeed and can not actually switch into that. That said he does outspeed just about everything not scarfed, so he is still a brutally strong support and quite possibly the best wall breaker in the game.
Safe switches:
There are several mons that can switch in on gengar safely and incredibly effectively, though most carry assault vest.
Noteably Assault vest escavalier completely and utterly destroys gengar, as it carries a deadly ohko pursuit (if switching, 2hko if not), an OHKO iron head (chance before rocks, guarunteed after rocks), and typing that takes neutral at best from gengars entire movepool barring HP fire which is usually forgone for stronger coverage moves. While this does in fact fall under over centralization it deserves note here because of how effective this mon is.
252+spdef Goodra requires 4 hits from dazzling gleam to go down (even after rocks), while 3hkoing gengar with uninvested dragon pulse. It can also run lefties for less spdef investment or chesto resto or even rain rest (with hydration). Goodra has lots of normal, viable options that happen to counter gengar pretty hard. This is noteable because it is a special wall gengar can not break without the perish set, and the hit it will take getting off perish song is substantial (40-47% uninvested). Assault vest goodra (with 0 spdef) can handle 4 full hits of dazzling gleam with a chance to survive (guarunteed 4hko after rocks though), while 2hkoing gengar. Two hits. That is a lot of pain, even for the perish set (54-64%) that's enough to basically decomission gengar with any sort of priority (barring mach punch) as a threat. Again, goodra does die to the perish set, but does significant damage and can handle non perish sets stupidly well (though destiny bond is an issue for the assault vest set).
Prankster users can also switch in safely, depending on the moveset. Sableye probably being the best one, because like escavalier it can handle any of gengars standard moves neutrally, and unlike most mons can afford to run 252hp and 252+spdef on a standard set, due to will o wisp basically giving it +2 defense. Priority taunt and mean look are both extremely good against gengar, allowing sableye to fully neuter gengar (unless I'm mistaken and mean look no longer applies to gengar due to ghost mechanics change, which is entirely possible), along with priority recover if the gengar isnt carrying sludge wave or sludge bomb to just wall out the gengar with will-o-wisp burn or night shade. Edit: Sableye does get destroyed by dazzling gleam, sorry for not catching that earlier.
I don't have time to cover the rest of the points you brought up at the moment, but I will try to address them later today.
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You're missing a very important key fact.
While it's true that people will have to turn to other Megas to fill the Mega slot if Gengarite gets banned, NOTHING FORCES YOU TO USE THE MEGA SLOT.
If Mega-Scizor is not in itself broken or overpowered to a ridiculous degree, then people aren't going to run it regularly, even if it is the ONLY MEGA AVAILIBLE. They will just STOP RUNNING MEGAS ALTOGETHER.
Why is this so hard to realize? If there is only one Mega which is unbanned and remains in competitive play, yes, it is going to be the only competition for the Mega Slot. But having a Mega AT ALL is optional. If that "one viable Mega" is not broken, not everyone is going to run it. Since doing so would greatly increase how predictable you are and limit your team building options to those which support the Mega.
The paragraph above this one was spent talking about a Mega Gengar with Dazzling Gleam, yet you seem to have completely forgotten it during your discussion about Sableye. Sableye is weak to Fairy.
And all "safe switch ins" still don't stop Mega Gengar from switching out, unless they can OHKO with Pursuit, AND the Mega Gengar player doesn't predict the switch in and Substitute (which also ruins the ability for, say, Goodra, to stop the Perish set).
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what is you'se saying?!?!?! You cannot switch into Mega Gengar!!! Also, I'm not sure about Banded Talonflame, but a normal Talonflame Brave Bird (talking about regular SD set will not OHKO. Bullet Punch will not OHKO. That's why Mega Gengar is so good. Now, you say Mega Gengar can only run a Perish Song set. It can also run 3 Attacks + Destiny Bond. I honestly feel that Destiny Bond is the best move on Mega Gengar because you're guaranteed to take down that wall. Perish Song is honestly best against stall teams, since most of them are too slow or too weak to do much. Also, Ferrothorn is perfect Perish Song bait for Mega Gengar. It's definitely not faster so just do Sub, then Protect, then switch out next turn and that's a dead Ferrothorn. As for Scizor and Rotom-W, they're some of the best checks to Mega Gengar so of course they're iffy, but if you're low on health, you can just Destiny Bond and take them out with you. Aegislash is a really big threat I would agree, and you'd need a teammate to check it most like. Also, we can use the ol' Skarmory example to answer your question. Just trap that bird and use Thunderbolt to sweep with Lucario later. Also, Trevenant (dat bitch) is easily taken down by Mega Gengar.
Priority already ready rules the meta game you aren't just running it to stop mega gengar..also a choice scarfer isn't on your team JUST to stop mega gengar.. Choice scarfers are on most quality teams. Basically, you aren't running priority or faster pokemon just for Mega gengar; he just happens to be in the LARGE group of pokemon that fear them
I believe you are completely missing the entire point of using Mega Gengar (and Perish Song).
WRT Perish Song - you are not using Perish Song for sweepers. That is completely inefficient against the majority of those Pokemon when you have STAB Shadow Ball, STAB Sludge Bomb / Sludge Wave, Focus Blast, and Thunderbolt coming off of base 170 SpA. You are using it against WALLS. Think about Pokemon such as:
- Blissey
- Pokemon that potentially lack a phazing move
I also find your lack of a real argument in this statement amusing:
You clearly underestimate just how trapping one Pokemon, even on offensive teams, can completely cripple you to a sweep.
If your check / counter to Talonflame is Tyranitar and your opponent has said Tyranitar, a Mega Gengar can trap Tyranitar and help Talonflame prep a sweep.
If your check / counter to Azumarill is Rotom-W and your opponent has said Rotom-W, a Mega Gengar can trap a weakened Rotom-W and help Azumarill prep a sweep.
If your check / counter to Alakazam is Blissey and your opponent has said Blissey, a Mega Gengar can run a Perish Song trapping set to kill off Blissey safely while prepping Alakazam a sweep.
If your check / counter to Garchomp is Togekiss and your opponent has said Togekiss, a Mega Gengar can trap Togekiss and help Garchomp prep a sweep.
The list goes for days. You clearly underestimate the utility Mega Gengar and Shadow Tag provide because you're too shallowly thinking about what to do with Perish Song inefficiently (hint - you don't use Perish Song on sweepers like that. Mega Gengar is not Celebi). The potential movepool it has is threatening enough - and when you combine it with Shadow Tag, base 170 SpA and 130 Spe, and a fairly good typing you have a problematic Pokemon on your hands.
All I was trying to say is that mega gengars perish trapping set is not an auto kill set against many of the top pokemon. I mentioned the switching thing because it seems like mega gengar users intend on getting a sub up at some point for the perish song trap to work correctly. Otherwise their gengar has to take a hit and sub down later which basically means gengar is death fodder against most opponents at this point. And against most mega gengars, banded talonflame seems to ohko without question. Ive never met a mega gengar that took a brave bird even at full health. There could be a spread that can take them though. scizor need only 2hko mega gengar I believe, so pursuit+ bullet punch wouldlikely secure the ko, but scizor also has uturn on most of its banded sets to switch out. And you have to perish song at some point which is why gengar isnt all that reliable. Ithas to take less than 75% from an attack to get the auto kill. I will agree that the three attacks plus destiny bond set is spectacular, but again, it fails to take down a lot of special walls, so that suddenly becomes an issue. Good point about trevenant though. That thing is always ruining my garchomp/zygarde sweeps. However, ghosts can switch out. I think the point I was initially setting out to make was that gengar has to be taylored for a specific role and is not the automatic win condition that many make it out to be. I don't think that gengar is broken because every sweeper has multiple threats and very few sweepers are actually going to be able to sweep against every team unless you are running multiple Mega gengars which is illegal for many reasons.
Edit: also, what's stopping a blissey from passing a wish or crippling the switch in on the last turn of perish song? What's stopping ferrothorn from laying down two layers of spikes and leech seed on the switch? Walls will still find a way to screw your team. Gengar is only getting a truly free kill in this theoretical vacuum everyone is making.
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Oh I don't know.
Possibly carrying Taunt might have something that can potentially ruin that. If all you're doing is killing walls just run Taunt / Sub / Protect / Perish Song. The potential of such a moveset is great.
Or, you know, Rapid Spin. Or in Leech Seed's case - you switch out knowing you accomplished the mission? Nevermind Substitute and Protect can bar Leech Seed.
The switch sir and the set you have created is only valuable in taking on walls, So your gengar basically becomes completely useless after the kill. However running that set would negate leech seed and the like. However, your switch in will still either take 100 damage from blissey or a gyro ball from ferrothorn, so again it isn't free.
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I think gengarite should be in ubers because Gengar has great coverage with shadowball, focus blast, sludge bomb, and even thunderbolt. It could trap enemy pokemon and easily OHKO them with super effective moves. Basically no fairy type, water type, or dark type is safe to KO something b/c gengar will just come in and OHKO it.
You do realize the purpose of the set is not to 6-0 teams but to take out just 1(or 2) mons that could hamper your sweep right? One wouldnt care if Gengar becomes useless after the kill because it has already achieved its purpose.
Also, you dont need to have answers to all pokemons in 1 set, all you need is to tailor your set so that you can remove whatever pokemon(s) you would want out of the way to either facilitate a sweep or generally take care of problematic pokemon. How is this different from other similar support mons? It has Shadow Tag, which means you will almost never fail to achieve its purpose regardless of how well your opponent plays(cause you cant switch out of it).
...Uh...
So by your logic of thinking, a Magikarp using Tackle on an opponent is also not a free switch, correct?
What exactly stops me from doing functions such as:
- Wish passing
- Switching to another Ghost-type
- Switching to a Steel-, Fire-, etc
Honestly do I have to seriously list the potential things that I can do to remedy something so small and possibly trivial? Blissey pulling off a Wish is its last ditch effort as is Ferrothorn laying down Spikes. Nevermind that you don't have to use Taunt to function with that set.
Again, the key to Mega Gengar is that the player can adjust Mega Gengar to take on whatever threats need to be eliminated with little impunity. That's the real stellar appeal to Mega Gengar.
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