Well seeing as my set is garnering so much attention and discussion I will just say this to explain the method behind my madness to answer Kairyu's question. The reason I don't use gooey is because it doesn't activate when behind a substitute. And the reason I don't use any physical attacks is because with the effort values I used for outspeeding rotom and maintaining its bulk, it's already strapped for power as it is. Diverting evs into attack would make it way too weak in comparison and the threats it would normally be able to set up on al of a sudden take it much easier. The reason I use special attacks is because Goodra's special movepool is by far better than its physical movepool, (it gets dragon tail and outrage for stabs the former of which is too weak and the later of which is too risky to use now with the fairies lurking around every corner) as well its higher special attack stat. Also the set does have some cases of 4mss, but thats literally what the team is for. I don't use ice beam because heatran can come in for free and simply do what it wants and it still has the ability to hit landorus, gliscor etc. hard. I use sludge bomb for azumarill and it also helps with checking rotom much easier due to the 30% poison chance. The sets meant to be a tankish pokemon that can deal out heavy damage to as many relevant pokes as it possibly can as often as it possibly can. I do see your point though Kairyu and have often tried using physical sets as well. I have just found physical sets to be incredibly underwhelming. even though Heatran can tank some hits, but even then it can't really do anything except roar me away if im behind a sub, and with the speed EVS thats practically a guarantee. And while laddering heatran was never really that common anyway, at least not in my experiences. (though my variation is crap and my ranking is low so it may just be the new players XD) Goodra sets up on a lot of specially-based pokes anyway, a lot of common ones cant do too much against it unless they carry ice beam. Like Cshadow said, goodra is not a onestop shop for every threat out there, but I am trying to make the best use of its high-points as possible and I have found that substitute alleviates a lot of goodras problems. It has access to leftovers and pseudo-immunity to most status unlike the assault vest set, it helps check physical attackers incredibly well when behind it and is very easy to set up. Needs support of course, I just use muddy water because the rest of my team takes care of that. Like a team is supposed to.So you're abandoning the great ability that scares off most physical attacks for an immunity, and you don't even use the attack boost Sap Sipper gives you? Don't get me wrong, Sap Sipper sets are great, but not using an atk boost when you get it seems like a waste to me