Kangaskhanite Tiering Discussion [+Demographics Poll Added to OP]

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Well, it seems we're done by the moment! Now let's wait another person comes and says "Hurr, durr, Ferrothorn with Rocky Helmet counters it" to demonstrate that not. Though I sincerely wait that this thread gets closed and MegaKangashkan gets banned.
 
I'm sorry but if Ferrothorn, Skarmory, Gliscor, Hippowdon, Giratina, and fucking Lugia can't wall this thing, people need to just drop it

Reposted Calcs from earlier:
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 343-405 (81.8 - 96.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

-1 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 176 Def Landorus-T: 163-193 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 94.9% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 176 Def Landorus-T: 364-429 (95.5 - 112.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 234-276 (73.3 - 86.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (a likely KO after Scrappy PuP, and you can't do anything back)

+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 168-201 (59.3 - 71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (all it can do is WoW in return, in which case...)
+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Dusclops: 84-100 (29.6 - 35.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock (...it probably kills you through the burn. Fantastic.)

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 153-180 (45.9 - 54%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 151-178 (45.3 - 53.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (holy fuck are you shitting me)

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Fire Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Mega Aggron: 204-240 (59.4 - 69.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Mega Aggron: 270-318 (78.7 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock (Very likely KO after PuP. keep in mind, M-Aggron isn't usually EV'd like this. The thing that can probably stop M-Mawile flat-out loses to this thing.)

+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Deoxys-D: 274-324 (90.4 - 106.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Deoxys-D: 288-339 (95 - 111.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 180-213 (35.7 - 42.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 267-315 (53 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+1 252+ Atk Parental Bond burned Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Giratina: 133-157 (26.4 - 31.2%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Lugia: 177-210 (42.6 - 50.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Lugia: 354-417 (85.3 - 100.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 176+ Def Lugia: 337-397 (81.2 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock (excuse me?!)

252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus: 102-122 (22.9 - 27.4%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (accounting for the +1 in the second hit)
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus: 171-202 (38.6 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Normal: 339-400 (76.5 - 90.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock (for what it's worth, this same Arceus can survive +2 Play Rough from M-Mawile and retaliate.)

252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Rock: 102-122 (22.9 - 27.4%) -- possible 9HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery (accounting for the +1 in the second hit)
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Rock: 441-522 (99.5 - 117.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Crunch vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Rock: 178-210 (40.1 - 47.4%) -- 2% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery


And yeah, it's mindless autopilot sweeping of the most disgusting kind. M-Gengar was harder to use than this thing.
... I mean you've got to be shitting me. Lugia walls shit in UBERS, but it can't wall Mega Kangaskhan?
 
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Agreeing with most of you, M-Kangaskhan should be banned. It feels worse than many Gen 5 powerhouses like Excadrill and Thundurus; it's as bulky as Celebi / Jirachi if not more, needs completely no support, can set up while doing damage (little damage, but still), gets a free STAB boost on everything and is also very hard to revenge with +2 Sucker Punch dealing so much damage and Steel types not resisting it anymore (also base 100 Speed is nothing to scoff at). I'm usually on the no-ban side in this kind of arguments, but this pokemon is just too powerful for me to consider leaving it unbanned.
 
Edgar81539 said:
Well, it seems we're done by the moment! Now let's wait another person comes and says "Hurr, durr, Ferrothorn with Rocky Helmet counters it" to demonstrate that not. Though I sincerely wait that this thread gets closed and MegaKangashkan gets banned.
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Hopefully I'll wake up tomorrow and see this outcome. Mega kang is banable. This thread makes it obvious.

"All I want for Christmas, is Kang gone!"
 
This thing is pretty broken the only pokemon that can really deal with it are ghost types, I don't know what gamefreak was smoking when they decided to make this thing. It's pretty much a 125 base attack pokemon with +1, can switch moves, hit through subs, sashes, sturdy it has relatively good bulky and it's faster than a good portion of attackers in ubers. At +2 it can do a minimum of 80% to a 176Hp and 252+ Lugia with return I don't this thing would be too much of a problem or lowered its speed which they should have done...
 
Even though everything is pretty much over, I feel sad that not even an idiot decide to mention Shuckle =[

Poor Shuckle... Contrary Shell Smashing Power Split* RestTalk Shuckle w/ Rocky Helmet.
 
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Poor Mega-K. It hits hard enough and is bulky enough that basically, what small weak points it has vary by moveset.

Basically, most matchups involve a trade at best to disable/kill the thing...that is, by Kangaskhan punching something that deals passive damage/gets it burnt/f's with it setting up.

If Smogon can't handle Mega Gengar, it certainly can't handle something like Mega Kangaskhan. Gen 1 Pokemon are best Pokemon once more, ladies and gents. The meta can't deal with this thing.
 
Tachnicla said:
Even though everything is pretty much over, I feel sad that not even an idiot decide to mention Shuckle =[

Poor Shuckle... Contrary Shell Smashing Power Trick RestTalk Shuckle w/ Rocky Helmet.
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Oh, god. The argument happened and... Shuckle. Okay. Have you ever heard of Seismic Toss? No? Too bad.
 
Can we just bring back Blaziken (Not even Mega, just normal)? This would allow us to put this to rest I think. Plus, I like Blaziken :)

252+ Atk Blaziken High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 440-522 (106.2 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This is without any item.
 
Kyreth said:
If Smogon can't handle Mega Gengar, it certainly can't handle something like Mega Kangaskhan. Gen 1 Pokemon are best Pokemon once more, ladies and gents. The meta can't deal with this thing.
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That second sentence just made the whole world lose a lot of IQ points. But that argument will come for another time.
 
Tachnicla said:
Even though everything is pretty much over, I feel sad that not even an idiot decide to mention Shuckle =[

Poor Shuckle... Contrary Shell Smashing Power Trick RestTalk Shuckle w/ Rocky Helmet.
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252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 75-88 (30.7 - 36%) -- 47% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 148-175 (60.6 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 220-261 (90.1 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 295-348 (120.9 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That's not counting that Shuckle can't do shit to Kanga who can easily get up to +6 on it by spamming PuP
 
So this argument should be over. I think we've established that sableye and cofagrigus are the most solid counters as counters to this thing get.
Some decent checks are terrakion, infernape, cobalion, and mega lucario.
There is nothing else that can stop this and survive most of the time.
NOTHING
 
So who wants to do the Ubers Analysis on Mega Kangaskhan? o wo

MagicMissingno said:
252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 75-88 (30.7 - 36%) -- 47% chance to 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 148-175 (60.6 - 71.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 220-261 (90.1 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
+6 252+ Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Shuckle: 295-348 (120.9 - 142.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
That's not counting that Shuckle can't do shit to Kanga who can easily get up to +6 on it by spamming PuP
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I think it would be hilarious if someone argued that case in my steed, but obviously I was joking so don't be so hostile ¬__¬
 
mixed MKanga with Power-up punch, sucker punch, return, and flamethrower. just about everything that resists a typical mkanga set dies to flamethrower. as much as I love mama bear, I sense the ban coming
 
seoulwolf said:
Can we just bring back Blaziken (Not even Mega, just normal)? This would allow us to put this to rest I think. Plus, I like Blaziken :)

252+ Atk Blaziken High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 440-522 (106.2 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This is without any item.
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My head hurts. Lets counter imbalance with imbalance.

No problems.

and the best part. Its a check at best. it can't switch into Khan. we don't need ANOTHER check especially when MLucario does it better
 
SapphSabre777 said:
That second sentence just made the whole world lose a lot of IQ points. But that argument will come for another time.
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The second was meant in a slight tinge of sadness regarding Smogon's reactions. The first Pokemon on the chopping block have been Mega Gengar and likely now Mega Kangaskhan as well- Pokemon so "improved" they're being booted out of OU and into Ubers. Especially one that was RU/NU last generation like Kanga.
 
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