Oh god.... Eviolite Gligar.... I... um... what planet am I on again? DX
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Kangaskhanite Tiering Discussion [+Demographics Poll Added to OP]
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Oh god.... Eviolite Gligar.... I... um... what planet am I on again? DX
Except the only Mega that is as "strong as fuck" as Mega Kangaskhan is Medicham, Lucario, and Mawile, both of which is MUCH less well rounded than Mega Kangaskhan, and Lucario's 4 MSS is, IMO worse than Kangaskhan
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Gligar: 166-196 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
And it's really freaking easy to get +2 against a Gligar.
You're trying to say that Mega Lucario can survive a +2 attack from MKang right?
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Power-Up Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 208-246 (74 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 198-233 (70.4 - 82.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
All of you anti-ban people NEED to realize that there are another FIVE, I REPEAT, FIVE other members backing up this thing whereas this one guy can singlehandedly destroy your team when it gets to +2.
With parental bond 252 Atk gives more attack than 252+ Atk Deoxys-A. I don't even need to mention the 105/100/100 bulk and the ability to break sashes/sturdy.
Is Deoxys-A banned? Yes.
Should Kangaskhanite be banned? Yes.
Simple.
Is Deoxys-A banned? Yes.
Should Kangaskhanite be banned? Yes.
Simple.
You do realize that using non-OU-viable shit like Eviolite Gligar JUST to maybe counter Mega Kangaskhan (it gets fucked by Ice Punch so good luck with that) proves that it's centralizing, right?
Before it's even brought up
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Onix: 160-190 (58.3 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 202-238 (57 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Nogo with these either.
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Onix: 160-190 (58.3 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252+ Atk Mega Kangaskhan Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix: 202-238 (57 - 67.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
Nogo with these either.
God Why can't people understand That only happens when you send kang first. Ever think it's teammates could have been knocked out
Who the fuck uses an Eviolite Gligar?
True, but it's very difficult to accurately guess which move Kanga will be running. Sure you can try and predict based on your opponent's other team members, but if you're missing a ghost type it doesn't even matter anyways. Kanga will sweep you with PuP, Return, and Sucker Punch alone. And, if you fail to predict Kanga's other move chances are you'll lose a dude.
When the teammates are knocked out the other team has taken damage meaning unless you kept your check/counter healthy FOR THE WHOLE MATCH you're fucked at this point.
Hahahahahaha. Only if the player is really bad. There are way too many pokemon that synergize perfectly with Kanga. She works well in EVERY. SINGLE. TEAM. I really wish I was joking... :(
Which in turn only happens against a shitty player or a shitty team. Why can't you understand?
Your team weakens down Mega Kangaskhan's checks so it can sweep. If it can't even do that much you need a new team.
Non OU viable eh. I use it only in OU and it doesn't do half bad. So hmm... And before you go with the bullcrap "you didn't fight good trainers" I fought no 1 on the pokebank OU and gligar was a huge help
^It's outclassed by Gliscor and Landy-T by a longshot, however.
The problem is that the only way to reliably check Kanga is to either a) carry a sableye, or b) sacrifice something.
I agree, to an extant. Saying "teammates cover it's counters" is actually an argument that could work for most any pokemon. If all of non-mega Mawile's counters are removed by team support, it could sweep with SD + Sucker Punch.
The problem is that the only way to reliably check Kanga is to either a) carry a sableye, or b) sacrifice something.
The fact that the five other members can at least throw some shit at the opponent's team, weakening MKang's checks and counters is clearly valuable.
And how is this even debatable? I infer this as sending MKang against a full team of 6. Does this sound reasonable to you?
My 6 Man Normal Team that have no Choice Scarf user and is all below 108 Speed begs to differ good sir!
The point that many seems to not understand: One Kangaskhan can murder an entire team VERY VERY easilly, since its just that kind of well rounded and it still have team mates to cover whatever else it is lacking, and the list of thing that it lacks is pretty short
"b) sacrifice something"
Nice, so we can't check it. Thank you.
Okay, now I'm just convinced you're lying/trolling. I'm going with the first one after a quick glace at your profile.
Hahaha. I guess you got me there. XD
My septic tank is less full of shit than you are.
You know what I'm done.
Kang mega for ban.
You happy. I've followed all of the others saying so and I'm being a "team player". There now you don't have to subsequently call me a retard anymore. Lucky you. I'll take my seemingly terrible and worthless ideas somewhere else because you are complaining I don't know what I'm talking about when you constantly say it's EASY to get boost.
Easy doesn't mean guaranteed guys. It just doesn't.
Kang mega for ban.
You happy. I've followed all of the others saying so and I'm being a "team player". There now you don't have to subsequently call me a retard anymore. Lucky you. I'll take my seemingly terrible and worthless ideas somewhere else because you are complaining I don't know what I'm talking about when you constantly say it's EASY to get boost.
Easy doesn't mean guaranteed guys. It just doesn't.
I read that post, and it was an excellent summary. I think the fact that no one responded to it is a pretty tell-tale sign about how many good arguments there are against it.
You think you have it bad? I made a nice long post to counter an anti-ban challenge and it was completely ignored by the poster (although I hope it was helpful to a few other people who actually read it).
Now look how far this thread has fallen...
Gee, you're right. I see it now! Sacrificing Pokemon isn't a big deal.
Like, I often have to sacrifice a Pokemon or two to defeat Kyogre, but that's no biggie. Plus it's totally checked by Gastrodon and like 10 other things right? OU for sure. Deal with it.
Oh and Arceus, yeah he is countered by Sableye and stuff too. It might take out a few of my Pokemon, but I can kill it eventually right? No problem here!
I seriously can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading in this thread. It's as if Kangaskahn must single-handedly defeat every Pokemon in the game without ever switching out and with zero support, even when people are reaching for anything they can possibly dig up to stop it.
Even the most "Uber" of the Ubers has checks and counters (probably about as many as Megakahn) and that doesn't make them balanced. Again, the fact is that Megakahn fits the description perfectly.
"Offensive Characteristic
A Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame with little effort."
Okay, this is really getting ridiculous. You're literally contributing nothing to the conversation, and defending shit that you STILL haven't backed up with damage calcs, logs or anything. Can you please stop trying to flood this thread? Wait 5-10 minutes and then reply to everyone at one time? You're flooding the thread with 1-2 sentences that contain nothing.
You've got to be kidding me.
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