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Volcarona (no held item yet)
252 Def/252 Sp. Attack/6 Speed
Bold Nature
Quiver Dance
Heat Wave
Bug Buzz
Roost
I am going to teach it Fiery Dance at lvl 100
My question is should my EV spread be what I have for the Bold set?
Because someone said it should be 252 HP/206 Def/52 Speed.... But never said why.
So which is the more viable EV spread??
Volcarona (no held item yet)
252 Def/252 Sp. Attack/6 Speed
Bold Nature
Quiver Dance
Heat Wave
Bug Buzz
Roost
I am going to teach it Fiery Dance at lvl 100
My question is should my EV spread be what I have for the Bold set?
Because someone said it should be 252 HP/206 Def/52 Speed.... But never said why.
So which is the more viable EV spread??
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You should run 252 HP / 192 Def / 64 Spe. Investing in HP will give you much more bulk. Quiver Dance and Fiery Dance already boost Special Attack, so the extra SpA EVs are a waste. The 64 Speed EVs allow Volcarona to outspeed Greninja by 1 point after one Quiver Dance.
I have a question too: Is it possible for Mega Charizard X and Mega Ampharos to learn Draco Meteor?
No, it is not, since it is not Dragon-type in its base form.
So, why is rotom-w considered the best rotom? I've been thinking that rotom-h is seemingly just as good and may actually be a bit better. Each of them have the same stats, but rotom-h has 7 resistances whereas rotom-w has 5. Although, rotom-h does have more weaknesses to water and rock, it completely nullifies its extra ground weakness (unless against mold breaker obviously) and rock and water seem like pretty easy type weaknesses to switch in to. I mean pretty much all teams have a high stats dragon which often have no problem taking a water type attack and rock is not effective against three super common types: fight, steel, and ground. Of course, a water resistance is arguably a better resistance than the grass, bug, and fairy resistances it lacks in compared to rotom-h, but to me, that doesn't seem to be enough of a reason for rotom-w to be considered top tier with rotom-h falling by the wayside. According to the November smogon simulator statistics, rotom-w was the 4 most used pokemon and rotom-h was at 81.
As far as i can see, the only other big difference that could affect each pokemon's value would be the hydro pump vs overheat. The loss of special attack from overheat can be kind've annoying, but the slight increase in accuracy is actually pretty nice, and the increased base power is also pretty good especially since it is a STAB move. Hydro pump can be used repeatedly to more effect, but rotom isn't really a great attacker anyway so I think it still comes down to team composition and personal preference.
The last possible explanation I could come up with was that there may be better fire type options while the pool of water type ou pokemon is somewhat lacking, but with gyarados, cloyster, greninja, azumarill all being pretty effective (and in the top 25 of the simulator stats) , I don't know if this explains the phenomenon. For comparison, charizard, talonflame, and volcarona are the fire types in the top 25 of these statistics and none of them are particularly good in a similar role as rotom-h. So is the extremely common use of rotom-w due to a reason I didn't consider, or do people just overvalue the pokemon because of its strength last gen and trying to follow the meta. To be clear, I'm not wondering why rotom-h isn't better than rotom-w, but I want to know why rotom-w is seems to be considered much better by the metagame than rotom-h. It seems like they are of a nearly even value imo. (First post hope it's not too much of a wall'o'text haha)
As far as i can see, the only other big difference that could affect each pokemon's value would be the hydro pump vs overheat. The loss of special attack from overheat can be kind've annoying, but the slight increase in accuracy is actually pretty nice, and the increased base power is also pretty good especially since it is a STAB move. Hydro pump can be used repeatedly to more effect, but rotom isn't really a great attacker anyway so I think it still comes down to team composition and personal preference.
The last possible explanation I could come up with was that there may be better fire type options while the pool of water type ou pokemon is somewhat lacking, but with gyarados, cloyster, greninja, azumarill all being pretty effective (and in the top 25 of the simulator stats) , I don't know if this explains the phenomenon. For comparison, charizard, talonflame, and volcarona are the fire types in the top 25 of these statistics and none of them are particularly good in a similar role as rotom-h. So is the extremely common use of rotom-w due to a reason I didn't consider, or do people just overvalue the pokemon because of its strength last gen and trying to follow the meta. To be clear, I'm not wondering why rotom-h isn't better than rotom-w, but I want to know why rotom-w is seems to be considered much better by the metagame than rotom-h. It seems like they are of a nearly even value imo. (First post hope it's not too much of a wall'o'text haha)
Stealth Rock.
One of the biggest reasons why Rotom-H isn't used as much.
That and Water is just a better type in general in OU.
Well, we could retaliate with a wall of text of our own but to keep things short, you have forgot to account to one of the most metagame defining force in Singles: Stealth Rocks. Being weak to ist is not to swell for someone who is supposed to switch a lot.
In Doubles it is weak to common spread moves like Rock Slide and Muddy Water. We'll see if the new Wide Guard mechanics will make it more viable or not.
Edit: Does 'retaliation' sound that aggressive? Pardon us if it does.
In Doubles it is weak to common spread moves like Rock Slide and Muddy Water. We'll see if the new Wide Guard mechanics will make it more viable or not.
Edit: Does 'retaliation' sound that aggressive? Pardon us if it does.
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I hadn't thought about stealth rock. That's a great point. Yeah, water does seem to be a slightly better typing all around. I guess there is a good reason for rotom-w, but I do think rotom-h can still be run pretty effectively(Edit: I only think this because I run a starmie rapid spinner and imo the two work well together, but the stealth rock is still definitely a big issue). Another question while I'm here: what are the best wish support pokemon in this gen? I've been feeling like my team would be stronger with a good source of recovery, but I can't decide on a good pokemon to use. I was thinking togekiss with wish and baton pass so I could tank a hit and then switch for the heal on another pokemon. However, I was worried about stealth rock since after just one wish and a hit, togekiss may be too low and need a way to heal itself which it couldn't do while having to wait two turns for wish. It may be just that this is the inherent problem with wish support, but I'd like to hear any opinions on other options. I've also been considering a wish gardevoir or vaporeon.
Edit: no need for wall of text retaliation. Let's keep things civil. :p I'm just playing. No worries.
One last edit lol: Also, a friend of mine told me he heard there was a possibility of stealth rock being banned this gen. Is that just a rumor or is this a distinct possibility because that sounds like it'll have a major effect on the meta.
Edit: no need for wall of text retaliation. Let's keep things civil. :p I'm just playing. No worries.
One last edit lol: Also, a friend of mine told me he heard there was a possibility of stealth rock being banned this gen. Is that just a rumor or is this a distinct possibility because that sounds like it'll have a major effect on the meta.
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Stealth Rock is not going to be banned. Although there is a tier (a small one at that) with SR banned, but keeping all other rules from OU. All I can say is, if you want to play that meta, get ready for Dragonite and Volcarona.
The best possible Wisher is Blissey, but it's Pokebank only and really hard to get (Gen 3 event only). Sylveon is also a good Wisher, since its only recovery is Wish and it can pass large Wishes as well. It can also Baton Pass and isn't weak to SR, and it's Fairy as well. Also it has Pixilate Hyper Voice, which is nice.
The biggest non-event Wishes are Alomomola's but unless you play NU or RU there's not much reason to use it.
Makes sense. It would be a pretty big change.
Yeah, the change to wish where it is based on the users max hp rather than the affected pokemon makes blissey wish seem crazy good. Yeah, sylveon seems like a pretty similar idea to togekiss without the stealth rock weakness although the lack of defense sounds like a decent tradeoff.
Yeah alomomola doesn't sound too great since it'd be way too hard to survive long enough to use wish. Thanks for the well-explained answer. =)
Yeah, the change to wish where it is based on the users max hp rather than the affected pokemon makes blissey wish seem crazy good. Yeah, sylveon seems like a pretty similar idea to togekiss without the stealth rock weakness although the lack of defense sounds like a decent tradeoff.
Yeah alomomola doesn't sound too great since it'd be way too hard to survive long enough to use wish. Thanks for the well-explained answer. =)
My friend told me that pokemon transferred to x and y from black 2 and white 2 will not be able to be used in competitive. I did a google search and can't find any information. I'm stressing out over this because I don't have x and y atm, and I have some really good ev trained pokemon, and ones I am training currently for competitive teams. These pokemon were trained specifically for x and y competitive on smogon, and I don't want to let 100+ black 2 hrs. Go to waste.
Your friend is wrong. Anything you transfer is fine to use
Actually...
According to this JP trailer, Only Pokemon with the Pentagon in the stat screen will be allowed for official play. Pentagon mons are those caught, bred, or given in events in the Kalos region. You cannot use mons transferred from BW/BW2 this way, but you will be able to breed non-Kalos mons and their offspring will have the pentagon.
HOWEVER, it was awfully vague as to what this "official" format is. I have no idea if it's VGC only, or all formats including the BS.
Edit: Actually, now that I watched it again, it's probably only VGC, considering it is talking about Double battles. However, I'm pretty sure that VGC only allowed X/Y mons, but I'm pretty sure this trailer says you can breed Pokemon from previous gens and it'll be fine, so...
Actually, what the fuck am I talking about. This is some random battle type that requires the use of a Dragon Pokemon.
There really needs to be a trailer or something that explains if you can use non-Pentagon mons in all official battle formats. However, if the trend here is that you have to require pentagon mons to be used in official battles, even with Bank mons, it's not a far stretch to say that it could bleed over to all official formats.
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I believe the VGC rules pdf specifies that:
But with only a dragon tournament and one year of vgc, it's impossible to know if this will be the standard forever. Considering not everyone will have guaranteed access to Pokemon Bank, it might just be a temporary thing but until we see more official tournaments crop up, well....
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Which would be things with the pentagon.
But with only a dragon tournament and one year of vgc, it's impossible to know if this will be the standard forever. Considering not everyone will have guaranteed access to Pokemon Bank, it might just be a temporary thing but until we see more official tournaments crop up, well....
Would Pangoro be viable in a trick room set assuming no speed investment whatsoever?
To clarify, those rules only apply for official VGC competitions and presumably Battle Spot Special which uses VGC rules. You can use your transferred Pokemon for everything else, though. If you just want to battle friends online and use the regular Battle Spot that uses non-Kalos-dex Pokemon, your transferred stuff is fair game.
Ok, so I'm wondering why Dragonite seems to be the only pokemon I've seen where people have suggested making a set using Weakness Policy. Why?
I guess that in combination with Multiscale is kinda cool. And it sounds like a nice held item.
One last question: couldn't Volcarona utilize Weakness Policy on his bold natured bulkier set using
Quiver Dance
Fiery Dance
Bug Buzz
Roost
I guess that in combination with Multiscale is kinda cool. And it sounds like a nice held item.
One last question: couldn't Volcarona utilize Weakness Policy on his bold natured bulkier set using
Quiver Dance
Fiery Dance
Bug Buzz
Roost
I guess that makes sense. Indeed. I'm really thinking about adding Multiscale WeakNite to my team. Sounds fun.
Weakness Policy is a waste on Volcarona, IMO. It's already really powerful, and doesn't need the boost at all. Lum Berry and Leftovers are much better items.
I wasn't able to find the answer, so does anybody know what are the new mechanics with soudproof and perish song ?
Soundproof will block perish song. Also if something baton passes whilst under the effect of perish song, soundproof will not get rid of perish song.
Question, is there a chance for the event Torchic that has Blazikenite to be female? And if so does anyone have a spitback Female Torchic with Speed Boost in a Cherish ball?
*edit: Nvm I forgot it's not possible to pass Cherish ball down
*edit: Nvm I forgot it's not possible to pass Cherish ball down
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