You are only generalizing and are ignoring the facts. You're biased and generalizing statements does not even come CLOSE to prove in anyway that Florges is 100% outclassed. Next time, instead of generalizing, read other people who disagree with your opinion, and provide some real proof as to why you are correct, otherwise all of your statements are irrelevant.
Sylveon: 95/65/65/110/130/60
Florges: 78/65/68/112/154/75
Florges beats Sylveon in 4/6 stats. Factoring what i said earlier, Florges beats Sylveon in Speed and overall bulk. This example by you proves nothing.
For the record even though Florges beats Sylveon in 4/6 stats, those stat increases either don't make much of a difference regardless, or are offset by a feature of Sylveon that makes up for it. Sylveon's physical defense might be lower, but the fact that it has more hp actually makes it slightly MORE physically bulky than Florges, which makes the point that Florges has more defense than Sylveon entirely moot. The same can be said about Special Attack, as not just is the difference between the two very small, but Sylveon's access to a 117 BP 100% accurate STAB move in the form of Pixilate Hyper Voice completely offsets the higher Special Attack stat Florges has, and in the end Sylveon actually ends up hitting harder than Florges. As for the Special Bulk, Florges does edge out Sylveon here, but only by a very small amount that will usually never make a difference at all, as can be seen here:.
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Florges in Sun: 168-198 (46.6 - 55%)
252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Sylveon in Sun: 187-222 (47.4 - 56.3%)'
Meanwhile the difference in power between the two taking into account pixilate is quite significant, with Sylveon's minumum damage roll with Hyper Voice still doing more than the maximum amount of damage Florges can roll with Moonblast:
4 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 130-154 (33.8 - 40.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
4 SpA Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Abomasnow: 157-186 (40.8 - 48.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Here are damage calculations for physical bulk as well for reference:
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Florges: 246-289 (68.3 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 255-300 (64.7 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
As for looking at how they function as Clerics, both Pokemon have a way to restore teammate's hp and restore status, but once again Sylveon edges out over Florges because it has a larger wish, letting it heal slightly more than Florges with every Wish. So Sylveon is better than Florges at doing its job as a cleric overall.
As for the Speed, i'd have to agree that while Florges is faster, its not really too significant given that because both Florges and Sylveon are naturally slow and usually not investing in Speed at all, both of them will be outsped by their opponents pretty often regardless :/.
So looking at the list dbzmariogeno posted, seen below.
dbzmariogeno said:
1. Weaker
2. Not as bulky
3. A worse cleric
4. Faster. But no one cares.
I have proven that Florges is all of Weaker than Sylveon, not as physically bulky as Sylveon (although Florges has a small amount of special bulk that will rarely matter), a worse Cleric than Sylveon, and that while Sylveon is faster, that it will rarely matter in the long run because of the specific way both of them play.
So all in all, i have proven that Sylveon is superior to Florges, and there is very little, if any reason to ever use Florges over the Fairy-type eeveevoution, and therefore it is, in fact
completely outclassed, and there is no reason to give it a rank, let alone continue arguing about this.
