Pokémon Volcanion

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babaGAReeb said:
never thought of it like that, what would it benefit from more? rain or sun?
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I think Sun would have if this had been in gen 5. Absorbing water attacks while having it's Fire Blast boosted is pretty good. It could also burn Politoed to put pressure on the weather war.

On the other hand, having a good way to dispatch Ferrothorn before the rain was up would have been helpful for rain teams.
 
NoahStar said:
I think Sun would have if this had been in gen 5. Absorbing water attacks while having it's Fire Blast boosted is pretty good. It could also burn Politoed to put pressure on the weather war.

On the other hand, having a good way to dispatch Ferrothorn before the rain was up would have been helpful for rain teams.
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sounds about right, but would it keep its signature move on it even as a sun sweaper? steam eruption looks too good to pass
 
babaGAReeb said:
sounds about right, but would it keep its signature move on it even as a sun sweaper? steam eruption looks too good to pass
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I would have. Even though its nerfed by the sun, that burn chance is still pretty good. I would think that it would be spamming Fire Blast more though since it still hurts coming off of that base 130 Sp.Atk
 
You don't forgo Steam Eruption because the sun might be out. Never mind the fact that you'd be utterly screwed without it when Hippowdon/Tyranitar switch in, and that burn chance is useful regardless. Besides:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 260-308 (87.2 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

You're fine.
 
Jaroda said:
You don't forgo Steam Eruption because the sun might be out. Never mind the fact that you'd be utterly screwed without it when Hippowdon/Tyranitar switch in, and that burn chance is useful regardless. Besides:

252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Steam Eruption vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y in Sun: 260-308 (87.2 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

You're fine.
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We're just talking about hypotheticals of gen 5 where sun is permanent. Any Volcanion on a gen 5 sun team would have had their Steam Eruption nerfed, but as you said, the burn chance is just too good to pass up. Although I guess this is neither here nor there.

I'm noticing a lot of Pokemon introduced in gen 6 would have been absolutely broken in gen 5...MCharY, Heliosk, Volcanion...
 
Rotosect said:
The thing about using Volcanion in rain or sun is that one of its STABs is nerfed no matter what, so it would have played as a pure water type in rain teams and a pure fire type in sun teams, with the perk of being able to beat Ferrothorn (unlike most water types) and not being bothered by water types thanks to Water Absorb (unlike most fire types). It would have probably been a mainstay in either playstyle, however.
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Then use Hail/Sand and give it Weather Ball.
 
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What good is there in talking about Gen V? This is XY OU, we are supposed to keep discussion relevant.

And honestly, Weather Ball would not be a horrible decision if you also plan to run Tyranitar or Hippowdon, giving you a good special Rock attack, but I'd probably only use that on a Specs set with Steam Eruption, Overheat and Sludge Wave.
 
Jaroda said:
What good is there in talking about Gen V? This is XY OU, we are supposed to keep discussion relevant.

And honestly, Weather Ball would not be a horrible decision if you also plan to run Tyranitar or Hippowdon, giving you a good special Rock attack, but I'd probably only use that on a Specs set with Steam Eruption, Overheat and Sludge Wave.
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That sounds good at first before you take into fact you'll be losing HP if not switching into water Absorb.
But that's still a good Idea. These are the Weather sets I have in mind for Sand and Hail;

Firetruck (Volcanion) @ Leftovers/Safety Goggles
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SAtk / 180 Spd
Modest Nature
- Substitute
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast/Flamethrower
- Weather Ball

Taxi (Volcanion) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: (your set so you recommend EVs)
Shiny: Yes
Modest Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Weather Ball
- Sludge Wave

In Sun you can;
Firetruck (Volcanion) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Water Absorb
EVs: ???
Modest Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Sludge Wave

- TBH, If Volcanion is a Stationary Legendary, all somebody would need to do is SR for a 5IV Modest Volcanion and then just clone them so the community could make different sets. Modest seems to be the dominating Nature for Volcanion.
 
.TM87 said:
- TBH, If Volcanion is a Stationary Legendary, all somebody would need to do is SR for a 5IV Modest Volcanion and then just clone them so the community could make different sets. Modest seems to be the dominating Nature for Volcanion.
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Confirming it is
 
RotomPoison said:
It's just like Diancie, there are a lot of videos of it everywhere
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So that means you'll get it as a gift and there will be no Soft Resetting for a good Nature?
...or will you just get The Power Plant key and have to go to the Power Plant?

I'd be upset if we would have to wait for 6th Gen PokeGen to use Volcanion.
 
.TM87 said:
So that means you'll get it as a gift and there will be no Soft Resetting for a good Nature?
- Or will you get the Power Plant key and have to go to the Power Plant?

I'd be upset if we would have to wait for 6th Gen PokeGen to use Volcanion.
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It has nothing to do with the power plant (at least it doesn't look like it does, since it was inside a building with a few normal people)

You get it as a gift, so only people with a Powersave can really do that since they can activate the events however many times they want
 
RotomPoison said:
It has nothing to do with the power plant (at least it doesn't look like it does, since it was inside a building with a few normal people)

You get it as a gift, so only people with a Powersave can really do that since they can activate the events however many times they want
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Is there a Video of someone obtaining Volcanion yet?
I've heard from my PowerSave friends that they haven't released the Volcanion code yet.
 
Jaroda said:
What good is there in talking about Gen V? This is XY OU, we are supposed to keep discussion relevant.

And honestly, Weather Ball would not be a horrible decision if you also plan to run Tyranitar or Hippowdon, giving you a good special Rock attack, but I'd probably only use that on a Specs set with Steam Eruption, Overheat and Sludge Wave.
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Comparing gen 5 and gen 6 based on a simple mechanic change that impacts a lot seems pretty relevant to me.

Also, can someone come up with calcs as to why you should run Weather Ball? Other than Talonflame and CharizardY, what are you hitting that you can't hit with Steam Eruption?
 
Kyurem-B, Dragonite, Charizard X, other Volcanion would be the big ones. Would also be good for Cloyster and Gyarados, and is just stronger than either move in the Sand against neutral Dragon and Water types.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Weather Ball (100 BP Rock) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B in Sand: 392-462 (86.3 - 101.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Weather Ball (100 BP Rock) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gyarados in Sand: 360-424 (108.4 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Weather Ball (100 BP Rock) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Multiscale Dragonite in Sand: 180-212 (55.5 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage (Always OHKO if no Multiscale, which Sandstorm helps with)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Volcanion Weather Ball (100 BP Rock) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Volcanion in Sand: 262-310 (71.9 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage

Not much, but a Specs set doesn't have many other options and if you plan to Sand then it's not a horrible choice.
 
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The fact this thing gets flawless Neutral coverage in Dual STAB and EdgeQuake is scary. . . This thing is gonna be everywhere.

I'm looking forward to using an AV Volcanion, it just makes TOO much sense to pass up. Couple that with Water Absorb to heal up if you get the chance, and you've got a fairly big problem on your hands. . .
Can't wait to use this thing!

Set I have in mind;
Volcanion @ Assault Vest
252 HP / 252 SpA / 6 SpDef
Quiet Nature
- Steam Eruption / Scald
- Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Add the 30% burn rate to take physical hits, and slap an AV on it and it'll take hits all day. I can't wait to watch this thing take over.
 
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MuhFugginMoose said:
Simply for PP. Because Scald is usually such an easily "spammed" move. I agree losing that power is dumb, but sometimes you gotta play smarter and not harder.
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That's only when we're talking about HP Rock and Ancient Power.
8 PP is Enough for Steam Eruption. You never see Rotom using HP Water because Hydro Pump ran out of PP, do you?

...and those Volcanion calcs are assuming you predict the switch and Weather Ball because Volcanion can't outspeed anything you posted there in a 1v1 besides probably another Volcanion.
 
.TM87 said:
That's only when we're talking about HP Rock and Ancient Power.
8 PP is Enough for Steam Eruption. You never see Rotom using HP Water because Hydro Pump ran out of PP, do you?
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I agree that Steam Eruption is better for Volcanion, there's no doubt about that, it's merely a suggestion to use it if people want to have more than 8PP to spam. Which is why it's slashed after it's more powerful counterpart.
However, Rotom doesn't quite do the same thing Volcanion would. Also, HP Water and Hydro miss are far more different than Scald and Steam Eruption.
 
.TM87 said:
That's only when we're talking about HP Rock and Ancient Power.
8 PP is Enough for Steam Eruption. You never see Rotom using HP Water because Hydro Pump ran out of PP, do you?
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Most Rotom aren't fully invested in SpA. Also, Hidden Power Water isn't worth it when Hydro Pump has passable (but still Stone Miss-esque) accuracy.
 
MuhFugginMoose said:
I agree that Steam Eruption is better for Volcanion, there's no doubt about that, it's merely a suggestion to use it if people want to have more than 8PP to spam. Which is why it's slashed after it's more powerful counterpart.
However, Rotom doesn't quite do the same thing Volcanion would. Also, HP Water and Hydro miss are far more different than Scald and Steam Eruption.
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You should probably give your Volcanion set more attack EVs if you're going to go Mixed...
 
.TM87 said:
You should probably give your Volcanion set more attack EVs if you're going to go Mixed...
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I thought about that too, and I agree completely, I just don't exactly know how I want to split them. I've been trying out some calcs, and plan on changing the spread once I get everything together.
 
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