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Yes no more Shaymin and Milotic! Those things were really hard to deal with. Raikou I'm sad about, recently putting one on my team and all. Toxicroak seems reasonable too.
I can't believe nothing dropped down though, ;( Not to be that guy, but when is the next opportunity for stuff to drop?
Also, I haven't battled even a handful of Tornadus in my entire RU career. I haven't used one, but it seems like its really good.
I'd like to promote the quickbanning of Tornadus. Its ability to run so many different sets, from All-Out-Attacker to Specs to Mixed Attacker to Bulk Up, makes it almost impossible to counter every set. However, it is consistently revenged by many Pokemon, such as Choice Scarf Heliolisk, any Scarf-bearing Rotom forme, and Choice Scarf Tyrantrum. Some Pokemon, like Registeel and Eelektross, also do a fairly good job at walling the most common Special sets. "WHy the heck is this thing broken then, Expulso?" you may ask.
The key to Tornadus' success is its partner in crime, Dugtrio. All the pure types that resist Flying (Electric, Rock and Steel) are hit super effectively by Dugtrio's Earthquake, letting them be easily removed and allowing a Tornadus sweep. Dugtrio can also trap these mostly Grounded Pokemon, forcing them out of the match. This strategy leads to Tornadus' only true counters being Eelektross and the levitating Rotom formes, which have mediocre Physical defense and lose to Physical sets.
Tornadus can easily U-Turn into Dugtrio on a predicted switch to a Pokemon like Electivire, which resists Flying and hits back hard. Then, Dugtrio removes the counter, allowing Tornadus to sweep.
Therefore, when paired with Dugtrio, Tornadus has no true counters. The few things that beat its most common set* lose to other sets, such as Bulk Up or Mixed.
I hope this post helps lead you to a quickbanning of the ridiculous Tornadus. Thank you.
The only reason Hydreigon is there is because it just got reintroduced to the UU tier a week or so ago. I'd imagine it'll be banned quickly until UU updates its usage
NOOOOOO, Milotic is gone :[ I didn't even get a chance to use a Competitive set for it yet...Oh well, I guess I can just slap Gastrodon on my team to replace Milotic. Also it looks like my hopes of using Flygon in RU have vanished, seeing as it has quite the usage in UU (Probably the Zygarde ban).
As for our buddy Tornadus, I'm all for dropping the ban hammer on this guy. I've had troubles with it ever since RU became a thing.
Also, if I make an attempt to push Reuniclus into the same boat as Tornadus that would be awesome. I am honestly dumbfounded as to why this thing is still in RU. It has amazing bulk and Sp.Atk. Just fully invest into Defense, and after a couple of easy to achieve Calm Minds it's ready to tear through teams. Magic Guard, preventing hazards and leaving it un-phased by Burn and Toxic, on top of access to Recover just makes it a major threat.
Honestly I totally agree with the above suggested quickbanning of Tornadus. The fact is, it offers undeniable support alongside amazing offenses, making it so that it can support its team with little to no cost, and can prevent opponents from switching in safely. It's offensive movepool is extensive like no other pokemon, including Hurricane, Acrobatics, Air Slash, Grass Knot, Focus Blast, Knock Off, Superpower, U-Turn, etc. If that weren't enough, it can sweep with priority Bulk Ups or Agilities, and can also support its team with some of the fastest Taunts, Rain Dance, Tailwind, etc.
Basically, it just is too versatile for the RU metagame. Both threatening physically and offensively, and guaranteeing Rain teams at least 8 turns of rain (if not more) makes it beyond scary.
Confirmo, beats Smeargle leads without fearing Spore/Dark Void and you can spin the entry hazards/2HKO Smeargle with Ice Beam :). Destiny Bond is also really useful since it is pretty easy to KO Delibird, and not a lot of people actually expect it ( Zebraiken ).
Mega Abomasnow is also a really cool mon, not much wants to come on its STABs outside of Steel-types, but not a lot of them wants to take a Hidden Power Fire or an Earthquake either (you can 2HKO AV Escavalier on the switch if you speed creep a bit (ik its 4x weak to Fire, but its a nice lure to remove it for your teammates!)).
Confirmo, beats Smeargle leads without fearing Spore/Dark Void and you can spin the entry hazards/2HKO Smeargle with Ice Beam :). Destiny Bond is also really useful since it is pretty easy to KO Delibird, and not a lot of people actually expect it ( Zebraiken ).
Mega Abomasnow is also a really cool mon, not much wants to come on its STABs outside of Steel-types, but not a lot of them wants to take a Hidden Power Fire or an Earthquake either (you can 2HKO AV Escavalier on the switch if you speed creep a bit (ik its 4x weak to Fire, but its a nice lure to remove it for your teammates!)).
Your post confuses me, but if I understand correctly you are asking why I gave it Naive >Timid: Delibird is so frail, and any attack will usually bring it to its Focus Sash, so it doesn't really matter (and maybe that extra Attack could come in handy? we never know).
Freeze-Dry is also superior to Ice Beam on it imo (didn't know it learned it when I posted this).
Delibird has a really little niche, don't use it unless you are bored 9.9
NOOOOOO, Milotic is gone :[ I didn't even get a chance to use a Competitive set for it yet...Oh well, I guess I can just slap Gastrodon on my team to replace Milotic. Also it looks like my hopes of using Flygon in RU have vanished, seeing as it has quite the usage in UU (Probably the Zygarde ban).
As for our buddy Tornadus, I'm all for dropping the ban hammer on this guy. I've had troubles with it ever since RU became a thing.
Also, if I make an attempt to push Reuniclus into the same boat as Tornadus that would be awesome. I am honestly dumbfounded as to why this thing is still in RU. It has amazing bulk and Sp.Atk. Just fully invest into Defense, and after a couple of easy to achieve Calm Minds it's ready to tear through teams. Magic Guard, preventing hazards and leaving it un-phased by Burn and Toxic, on top of access to Recover just makes it a major threat.
Competitive Milotic was really cool, and something that I don't think you can just "replace" on a team (hint why I retired Beauty and the Fawkes because of this) While there are other bulky attacking Water-types like Slowking and Gastrodon, none of them can fit on offensive-minded teams the way Competitive Milotic did. To have something that can not only fill as a bulky attacker, but also punish the opponent for trying to use Defog is just amazing. As for Flygon, I don't think its rise in UU is directly linked to the Zygarde ban. I feel that is part of it, but also there's the fact that UU doesn't have a ton of Defoggers, especially Defog users that can fit on offensive-minded teams the way Flygon can.
Not sure on Reuniclus. While it is quite annoying to deal with, Pokemon like Escavalier, Durant, and Delphox all make life challenging for Reuniclus. The former two just blast right through it with their Bug-type STAB moves while Delphox can boost alongside Reuniclus and smash Reuni with Fire Blast. (though this is admittedly risky due to Psyshock and Delphox's suspect physical Defense) It can quite easily shit on stall though.
Now miltic is gone and once if tornadus goes all we'll have to switch into defogs is farfetchd, purugly, meaowstic, wigglytuff, pawniard (lol) and primeape
Primeape is suprisingly good in this meta, all though it hates flying moves and sticky web, i have found it to be amazing in switching into defogs, it is unexpecting but it still works
Set
Primeape @ Leftovers / Expert Belt / Life orb?
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Encore
- Close Combat
- Substitute / Stone edge
- Night Slash / Stone Edge
You simply switch into defoggers, encore, get +4, sub/spam cc. I find that no one predicts the switch despite most deffogers hitting it hard, if they do, it kinda sux. If they dont, most of them will stay in and tr to ko it, but encore can stip this and benefit yourself even more. Im not great at describing, so calcs:
+2 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Golbat: 336-396 (94.9 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+4 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Golbat: 502-592 (141.8 - 167.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
* note: If you miss, golbat can ohko through sub
+2 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togetic: 430-508 (171.3 - 202.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Togetic Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 192-228 (70.5 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Shiftry Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primeape: 235-278 (86.3 - 102.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
CC ohko's
+2 252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 468-552 (114.1 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primeape: 172-204 (63.2 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Cant see any other viable 'foggers
I know primeape isnt quite tornadus but it is very underrated and has decent potential, noh8pls
If you need deffogers who beat tornadus:
252 SpA Lumineon Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 158-186 (52.6 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<<on switch
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lumineon: 207-244 (74.1 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<<Thats right
Just check the RU Ban list in the first post, with also Hydreigon which was BL before (no idea if something drops from OU to UU this month).
RU also have lost Milotic, Raikou, Toxicroak, Shaymin this last month (add them to the ban list) and Sableye, Azelf, Kyurem which were banned from the initial tier and STILL are banned rn.
Rest mons are RU.
About the changes this month, no surprise with Toxicroak because is great in UU, Shaymin and Raikou are probably enough good to UU, only surprise is Milotic which is almost entire outclassed by the rest of waters in terms of utility; now people cant spam LO competitive Milotic :] (seriously, I think that this set is pretty average and Milotic have better things to do).
Primeape Defiant is cool but only set that I should to use is Choice Scarf.
Now miltic is gone and once if tornadus goes all we'll have to switch into defogs is farfetchd, purugly, meaowstic, wigglytuff, pawniard (lol) and primeape
Primeape is suprisingly good in this meta, all though it hates flying moves and sticky web, i have found it to be amazing in switching into defogs, it is unexpecting but it still works
Set
Primeape @ Leftovers / Expert Belt / Life orb?
Ability: Defiant
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Encore
- Close Combat
- Substitute / Stone edge
- Night Slash / Stone Edge
You simply switch into defoggers, encore, get +4, sub/spam cc. I find that no one predicts the switch despite most deffogers hitting it hard, if they do, it kinda sux. If they dont, most of them will stay in and tr to ko it, but encore can stip this and benefit yourself even more. Im not great at describing, so calcs:
+2 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Golbat: 336-396 (94.9 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
+4 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Eviolite Golbat: 502-592 (141.8 - 167.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
* note: If you miss, golbat can ohko through sub
+2 252 Atk Primeape Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Togetic: 430-508 (171.3 - 202.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Togetic Dazzling Gleam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Primeape: 192-228 (70.5 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Shiftry Seed Bomb vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primeape: 235-278 (86.3 - 102.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
CC ohko's
+2 252 Atk Primeape Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 468-552 (114.1 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Poison Jab vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Primeape: 172-204 (63.2 - 75%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Cant see any other viable 'foggers
I know primeape isnt quite tornadus but it is very underrated and has decent potential, noh8pls
If you need deffogers who beat tornadus:
252 SpA Lumineon Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tornadus: 158-186 (52.6 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<<on switch
252 Atk Tornadus Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lumineon: 207-244 (74.1 - 87.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO<<Thats right
Encore is an interesting concept, and it can work since the most common Defoggers in the tier are part Flying and may try to stay in on Primeape since they resist its STAB (Golbat is almost guaranteed to stay in), but if they don't, and you Encore a Gligar or Togetic as they switch out into something like Weezing or Reuniclus, then you lose all momentum and your boost since you would have to switch out.
I think Scarf would generally be better since Primeape's speed is generally middling, but great for a Scarfer. Especially since there aren't many Scarfers in the tier. Even if you get +4, a faster mon like Delphox can come in for an easy revenge kill easily since Primeape doesn't get Sucker Punch. Same with Bulky mons like Cresselia and Cofag that can tank a hit and status you.
So I'd say go Scarfed since Encore is a trick that will only work once and can't guarantee a sweep since Primeape doesn't even hit Base 100 Speed or have priority. Cool idea nonetheless though.
Anyway, I want to jump into RU now, but I don't really know what to expect in terms of metagame threats. I only know that Tornadus + Dugtrio is a thing.
Anyway, I want to jump into RU now, but I don't really know what to expect in terms of metagame threats. I only know that Tornadus + Dugtrio is a thing.
Anyway, I want to jump into RU now, but I don't really know what to expect in terms of metagame threats. I only know that Tornadus + Dugtrio is a thing.
I think that this pirate pad should be linked somewhere more visible than it is now, as a lot of work went into it and it is incredibly useful, but it is really hard to find, even if you know it exists. Maybe Molk could link it in the OP?
Anyway, I want to jump into RU now, but I don't really know what to expect in terms of metagame threats. I only know that Tornadus + Dugtrio is a thing.
Playing the metagame is the easiest way to learn it in my experience. That said, there's usually discussion going on at #rarelyused on IRC about the current metagame. (well, if we aren't goofing off that is, haha)
