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Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blaziken (not mega) deserves a suspect test to see if it could be OU? With the rise of bulky offense and priority, I really think that it has potential to fit in with the OU metagame and get suspected.
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
Somebody's new to competitive pokemon.Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blaziken (not mega) deserves a suspect test to see if it could be OU? With the rise of bulky offense and priority, I really think that it has potential to fit in with the OU metagame and get suspected.
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
What's the best irc to use nowdays? And is there an OU channel?
Also while I'm here, someone throw me 6 pokemon with these preferential attributes in descending order: power, good typing, bulk, speed, trolliness. Emphasis on power whether choiced or not I don't mind.
Also while I'm here, someone throw me 6 pokemon with these preferential attributes in descending order: power, good typing, bulk, speed, trolliness. Emphasis on power whether choiced or not I don't mind.
http://www.smogon.com/irc/ This guide should tell you almost everything you need to know about getting connected to IRC. There is no OU channel, but all of the other tiers have channels.
Your second question is waaaay to vague to give a good answer to. Also, just picking 6 good Pokemon and throwing them on a team doesn't really work, you have to use Pokemon that complement each other well.
Mibbit doesn't seem to exist anymore, I was hoping someone might have another nice little site to get me hooked up quickly. I guess I'll download mirc but I hated their "your 30 day evaluation is over" crap. Ah well what can you do!
As for the team building I was hoping someone can throw me 6 powerful Pokemon of this gen to have some fun with, like Specs Kyurem or something. I'll fill in the rest of the 5 blanks I guess. Man this thread has gone downhill since last time I visited! Thanks anyway lol!
As for the team building I was hoping someone can throw me 6 powerful Pokemon of this gen to have some fun with, like Specs Kyurem or something. I'll fill in the rest of the 5 blanks I guess. Man this thread has gone downhill since last time I visited! Thanks anyway lol!
Here is a site: https://www.synirc.net/chat - you can just use their web chat interface for browser.
What's a better setup? Klefki? Or Skarmory?
Honestly depends on what set you want for set-up. Skarmory is great for rocks and whirlwinding/Brave Birding while Klefki has a better niche when it comes to dual screening and perhaps Twave-ing half the opposing team. Matter of preference really.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blaziken (not mega) deserves a suspect test to see if it could be OU? With the rise of bulky offense and priority, I really think that it has potential to fit in with the OU metagame and get suspected.
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
Poll:What is the best Mega? In your opinion?
Hey guys, is there a thread anywhere that talks specifically about the different 'Roles' for Pokemon? Things like Dual-Screeners, Sweepers, Walls, etc.
The answer kinda depends on the tier. If overall then Mega Kangaskhan or Mega Gengar? If OU then Charizard X without question.
Blaziken was banned to Ubers back in gen 5. The introduction of the mega just made it even more broken than it already was. Baton Pass-Speed Boost is also now legal on Blaziken which just seals the deal. I don't think anyone has ever legitimately thought it was not worthy of Ubers in gen 6.Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blaziken (not mega) deserves a suspect test to see if it could be OU? With the rise of bulky offense and priority, I really think that it has potential to fit in with the OU metagame and get suspected.
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
e: Just FYI, in gen 5, the general argument against Blaziken was "you win only if HJK misses". That's still true and Blaziken is even stronger. So yeah, straight back to Ubers without a second thought.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone else think Blaziken (not mega) deserves a suspect test to see if it could be OU? With the rise of bulky offense and priority, I really think that it has potential to fit in with the OU metagame and get suspected.
Blaziken @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- High Jump Kick
- Protect
- Swords Dance
Looking at it's main set, the two high base power STABs immediately stand out, as well as the two boosting moves (Protect functions as one in this case). However, there are a few catches to these statements. First of all, neither STAB is what I would consider "reliable." Flare Blitz's recoil coupled with a Life Orb add up quickly and High Jump Kick has imperfect accuracy with a nasty side effect if it misses. Swords Dance, which could easily make Blaziken deadly, is rather hard to pull off with 80/70/70 defenses. Finally Protect, easily Blaziken's best move, can still be taken advantage of by handing out free switches and set up opportunities.
Blaziken actually does have a fair share of checks and counters that aren't hard to place on an OU team. For starters, Talonflame and Mega-Pinsir easily wreck any Blaziken set with their priority Flying moves while being able to switch in once or twice a match on a predicted attack. Azumarill resists both STABs and can threaten back with either a priority Aqua Jet or Belly Drum. Gyarados also resists boths STABs, has intimidate, and can use Blaziken as set up bait. Besides that, Unaware Quagsire and Clefable each resist one STAB and can stop Blaziken cold. Both Latias and Latios also resist Blaziken's dual STABs and can threaten back. Deoxys S still outspeeds Blaziken after one boost and can OHKO, as does scarfed Excadrill, Garchomp, Terrakion, Landorus-T, and the rare scarfed Keldeo. Even an unscarfed Landorus-T can safely switch in when backed by Intimidate and Earthquake. Not to mention that Hippowdon and Gliscor can take anything Blaziken has to throw and OHKO back. Defensive Zapdos and Mandibuzz can also stall out Blaziken with a Life Orb via Roost. Finally, Thundurus can Thunder Wave it and Rock Polish Landorus-I can boost alongside it, Rain Offense and Trick Room also dumps on Blaziken's life.
In conclusion, I feel that Blaziken was banned early without a fair say. It's mega was obviously broken and many people rightfully complained. However, Blaziken itself also got banned alongside it's mega evolution when it was mostly Mega-Blaziken creating all of the problems in the first place. Whether Blaziken is actually broken or not in the current OU metagame is beyond me, but, the substantial list of common checks and counters at least makes me think that it deserves a suspect test, as a suspect test is harmless and usually fair.
tl;dr Blaziken has enough flaws and a substantial list of checks and counters to warrant a suspect test
The Speed Boost makes it OP, not its moveset, its stats or anything else. Mega Blaziken without Speed Boost could probably be OU and Blaziken would prob be UU, might be good in OU, it would probably play a similar to role to Infernape in OU. Smogon does not want to consider a complex ban for Blaziken where they can just ban Speed Boost as an ability on Blaziken because it just makes it more complicated than it has to be.
Who would be a good cleric to use? I was thinking Sylveon, but maybe Clefable or Vaporeon. Any recommendations?
Chansey/Blissey are pretty decent at it, Sylveon's good too but Clefable is great for all sorts of things. Vaporeon though sadly does not do too well in the OU metagame though it's at least not totally unviable (C rank in the Victory Road viability ranking thread. It's low but at least it's ranked). I imagine it mainly does well in rain with that hydration.
Ultimately it comes down to your team makeup. If you post your team you could probably make a better recommendation.
Alright, so far all I have is
Gojira! (Tyranitar) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge
Yokai! (Mawile) @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Play Rough
- Focus Punch
- Sucker Punch
Hakai! (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
Gojira! (Tyranitar) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Crunch
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge
Yokai! (Mawile) @ Mawilite
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 124 HP / 252 Atk / 132 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Substitute
- Play Rough
- Focus Punch
- Sucker Punch
Hakai! (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Extreme Speed
Well you've already got a pretty good core there, so given you have three slots remaining you could probably make any of them work. Although, you're potentially vulnerable to Garchomp (particularly if SR is up to break Dnite's multiscale and it's not already in with a +1), so I suppose a physically bulky fairy like Bold Clefable could be useful.
Alright, thanks! jw, what Chomp are you referring to?
Why do people mention Draco Meteor over Dragon Pulse always on Dragon-type Pokemon that don't use Choice items? Having to switch every time you use it (bar MixMence) is not worth the extra Base Power imo
Nine times out of ten it is intended to provide a swift KO against Pokemon that are a tad weaker. Mainly revenge kills, besides, Dragon Pulse does not have the capability of Draco Meteor to take out Pokemon around 75%. It's mainly used to just kinda, y'know, destroy opposition which makes up for the Special Attack drop.
Hey everyone, I'm posting once again!
Still looking at team stuff, but since this isn't really a "simple question, simple answer" kind of thing, tell me where I should post this so I can get a more accurate response. But regardless, my question is....
I'm looking to sort out a team for OU. What I have been thinking was using was Thundurus and Aegislash as my corner stone pokemon, with Charizard X thrown into the mix because mega. I also wanted to throw in Rotom-Wash to help support my Aegislash.
Now my question is, who should I fill out my team with? I was thinking Excadrill for Rapid Spin or Skarmory for Stealth Rock, or Ferrothorn/Forretress for the same reasons as the other two pokemon. I was also thinking about putting in Deoxys-Speed or Latios to deal with Mega Venasaur because I hate her (Latios was suggested to me for this, but I have a Deoxys ready, so I thought I'd just use that, but I'm not partial to either).
I'm told that my team in general was super weak to Tyranitar, so I was thinking about putting Will O Wisp on Rotom (also suggested to me) to deal with that.
Any suggestions?
Just to add on, my team looks like:
Brave Aegislash
Shadow Sneak
Sword Dance
Iron Head
XXXXX (maybe King's or Sacred Sword)
Rotom-Wash
Will o Wisp
Hydro Pump
Volt Switch
XXXXXX (no idea what to put here)
Thundurus
Thunder Wave
Thunder Bolt
Taunt
Focus Blast / Volt Switch / Nasty Plot
Charizard X
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Flare Blitz
XXXXXX (Roost maybe?)
Thanks for the help everyone.
Still looking at team stuff, but since this isn't really a "simple question, simple answer" kind of thing, tell me where I should post this so I can get a more accurate response. But regardless, my question is....
I'm looking to sort out a team for OU. What I have been thinking was using was Thundurus and Aegislash as my corner stone pokemon, with Charizard X thrown into the mix because mega. I also wanted to throw in Rotom-Wash to help support my Aegislash.
Now my question is, who should I fill out my team with? I was thinking Excadrill for Rapid Spin or Skarmory for Stealth Rock, or Ferrothorn/Forretress for the same reasons as the other two pokemon. I was also thinking about putting in Deoxys-Speed or Latios to deal with Mega Venasaur because I hate her (Latios was suggested to me for this, but I have a Deoxys ready, so I thought I'd just use that, but I'm not partial to either).
I'm told that my team in general was super weak to Tyranitar, so I was thinking about putting Will O Wisp on Rotom (also suggested to me) to deal with that.
Any suggestions?
Just to add on, my team looks like:
Brave Aegislash
Shadow Sneak
Sword Dance
Iron Head
XXXXX (maybe King's or Sacred Sword)
Rotom-Wash
Will o Wisp
Hydro Pump
Volt Switch
XXXXXX (no idea what to put here)
Thundurus
Thunder Wave
Thunder Bolt
Taunt
Focus Blast / Volt Switch / Nasty Plot
Charizard X
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Flare Blitz
XXXXXX (Roost maybe?)
Thanks for the help everyone.
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