Ha, hahaha, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man I'm tearing up. And I thought that last nights WIFOM kill would make me unable to put out anything against you Celever.
Oh god, he's gone mad with desparation! D:
First things first, lets go back to Day 2, I'd say both of us at best contributed the same amount targeted at other players, you tunneled me as much as I tunneled you, and I at least had a better reason than that you attacking me.
I have to disagree already. I made all kinds of posts D2. Some were directed only at you, others at the whole game. For most of day 2, 85-90% of your posts were directed at me. I also tried to include some thoughts on other players in my posts about you wherever possible or if I had time to do so. Furthermore, you attacked me first Day 2, and multiple other times D1 (with no provoking), not the other way around. From the get go you started throwing wild accusations at me, starting with me being a major voting force behind the Felony lynch(and putting it in a false way that you were clearly not willing to confirm by simply checking back a few pages).
iPad. If in my post I use things such as "iirc" I will be on my iPad, and you should take lots of minor incorrect info like that with a grain of salt. Also you were very paranoid over that comment. I said "you may have influenced" not "OMG YOU KILLED FELONY HERP DERP!" Every single reply to my accusations you tried to bring up a point unrelated to our current argument trying to discredit me, and, using your own words, your first post about my voting of Felony was to say you don't trust me, and you said it in the most passive-aggressive manner possible!
Sorry if I was passive-aggressive, I didn't mean to be? Day 1 you were generally defensive in your replies, instantly backing out when anything reasonable headed your way, then come Day 2 and you react in a passive-aggressive manner, like you don't trust backing out being effective anymore.
Right. I backed out ALL the time. No big argument with Felony. Nothing like that. I actually got really interested about where you'd get my backing out from, so I decided to flick through Day 1. Your DLL accusation on me carried on to D2 (not backing out). That is literally the only argument I could see you thinking I backed out on, since the rest of the accusations directed at me were from Felony. Baseless accusations... I thought that was a scum tell? Let's not forget you just claimed, you had no problem with me before I started tunneling you other than that you had nothing on me ergo had no idea which side I was on at all, yet you decided to take a jab at me, rather than reasonably point out people shouldn't be so quick to trust me(which I did, like day 1, right after people started doing it).
Lol wait a second, let me get this straight. You're saying that taking a jab at people who you don't suspect is bad? That's what you've been doing this whole bloody game!
Sure later you did exactly that, but you also started tunneling me just as much, focusing on me completely, saying it multiple times and then bolding it too just so people know what I say shouldn't be taken for granted, funnily enough what I have been saying was that Celever is suspicious, and also seems to be going overboard as far as defending yourself goes since the whole thread keeps brushing off all my arguments aimed at you!
This is one of the funnier parts of this post, actually. "the whole thread keeps brushing off all my arguments". No, they haven't, they've been saying that they are incorrect arguments. There is a huge difference, but it seems that your vision is so centred on me right now that you can't notice any difference. Several users said that they were watching our argument carefully, and usually said that they could see nothing wrong with either of our posts. A good example would be Ace Emerald in post #198.
This brings us to one of your other points: The nature of my tunneling. Leaving aside the fact that I did actually do stuff beside tunnel you
(see above. This is wrong), lets answer why I was tunneling you. BECAUSE I'M GODDAMN FRUSTRATED!!!
So in other words, this post is you crumbling under pressure? What you've been trying to get the noobs to do? People have been ignoring nearly all my points against you that from my point of view are 100% legit.
No they haven't, they said that your evidence was wrong, usually. I can understand some degree of differences on how people view the world around them, but I can't understand how something as obviously suspicious as "A makes a point against B, B replies by questioning trustworthiness of A" is constantly ignored!
Well I was questioning the trustworthiness of you before the true argument started. In fact, me responding to you was what kicked it off. Here you contradict something you said above, and you admit that you attacked me first. And this is why I got Santa Baron in the first wave, because instead of raging, I went ahead and tried to pile on more pressure, explain my points and again hoping more detail would help clarify it, and kept on not working, and the one person who harbors similar opinions has constantly been TOOOOOOOO BUSY, to actually post a reasonable amount and has been sadly been discouraged from following this trail via the events of last night!(I have always claimed that my very frustrated post on the final day of Depths NOC was a dead give away of my alignment, while I stuck to it being what village wolf would have done, I think this at least makes me DAMNED CONSISTENT!)
Consistent, or stubborn? I myself am extremely stubborn, but I don't think you should cloud it like that. Nothing else in the paragraph is worth commenting on, before you say "ermagherd answer everything". Right now I can't see anything there to answer, but I'm paranoid because it's a big piece of text without any substance.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M THANKFUL! Why you ask? Because this has given me a chance to beyond the shadow of doubt prove my innocence!
Yeah, all you have to do is push a lynch on me in MYLO! Oh wait, then you would lose, wouldn't you? -_-(Minus the case where both Celever and I are mafia, thankfully that still makes Celever mafia, so I don't see the problem there)
The problem would of course come if we lynch you first. Seriously, you've gone loony itg. See here is my argument, I spent a whole day arguing for the lynch of a specific person, having no one in the game support me, minus the one guy who we heard barely anything from. So say I'm mafia,
Oh, good WIFOM! I clearly told my team to discredit me in my endeavor then! One I think is completely reasonable and one I think is suspiciously being ignored(If it wasn't for the whole game doing it I'd actually use it as a point, which I currently can't). Heck it's very odd how no one at all jumped on it, leaves two options, because if I'm a villager, attacking another villager, mafia would have jumped in for sure,
So if we're both villagers why did you bother with this post? naturally for the remaining cases it goes either way, me telling my buddies they are better off staying away from it or Celever's mates trying to ignore my opinion into oblivion.
Of course, like many of your other points, this theory is let down by the fact that several people have responded to this argument. But here is the thing, I'm still sticking to Celever, because I think my points are still legit(and just keep on being added to), yet it keeps being brushed aside,
I'm going to ignore any and all "my arguments were/are being ignored! ;_;" because it is untrue. I think we can all agree on me actually believing in my points, so why haven't I gotten my scum friends to support me at least a little.
Because then if one of you is lynched we can say "x buddied with LW" and we'll have some very concrete evidence on you to help lynch you alongside your posting habits, possibly spelling the end for your faction. You're experienced, so you should know not to WIFOM, and if you do at least look at all possible consequences... And say you point at Walrein, if Walrein was my scummy, he'd have a knife at his throat and post I wrote up for him ready for copypasting and not fucking leave me alone after he makes a post finally to support my claims!
Well actually, he's not been posting at all, so technically he's not left you alone. His most recent escapades have been with you, LW. Sure, these are all small points why my side of the story makes more sense(Especially the part where one of us should really be mafia) but they just add up, and that is without the context of other things I have done.
Such as making a huge tl;dr post while seeming incredibly stressed? Sure as I said there is only LightWolf no mafia or town wolf, but that doesn't change there are plenty of selfdestructive things a mafia would generally do. I went out of my way to point out how Ullar was a mafia aligned neutral, I went out of my way to argue with our host trying to clarify information that the mafia already clearly possessed(Just based on their own numbers they know the exact situation we are in). I will just say that anyone, who doubts my alignment after all this, is silly, simply utterly silly billy milly.
Oh? And I haven't done my bit for the town!? I mean, it is amazing that you would say that you've done things like that and completely disregard everything I've done. In fact, saying "I did x and I did y" makes it seem like you considered everything you were doing to make yourself seem less suspicious. I could do a big list of things I did which I consider worthwhile if you really want me to, but it would quite simply be trivial and pointless, and would only make me look scummier as it has done to you. For the record, though, the Ullar thing only affected one person (Obbmud) who said in his post "I guess Celever and LW are right", and my post influenced Tesung's vote as well. So my part in the Ullar wagon was more effective than your's. Also asking questions about something the mafias would already know as a mafia is such a basic and common strategy I'm surprised you even brought it up. I only didn't comment on it earlier because I didn't fully understand the conversation about the set ups - now that you confirm that it was asking about information a mafioso would know it makes me even more suspicious of you.
Also I thought you got on with billy mills? It's a shame you brought him into this! :(
Man that was good to get out of my system, also if one thing is good about the new forums, is being able to see new posts as you write yours, HAHAHA Celever thought he was talking about baseball!
Oh my Jesus Grandma he doesn't play LoL! CONFOSCUM LYNCH PLEASE!
Now for some Conjecture: I'm somewhat sure on the following facts. The mafia likely has a Traitor, it's an obvious explanation as to why they'd kill the Innocent Child, rather than the mayor who is more likely to be protected.
Not sure I follow this logic, but OK. Next thing I'm currently looking at starwarsfan and Celever as my main suspects,
Wait, really? I thought we were in good terms! :( I made my point against Celever and as for swf, he has been playing a very, extremely, miraculously perfect don't suspect me I'm active game, he says barely anything but posts enough to not really have anything actually against him, even when pressured he keeps this attitude. Fair enough he might be a stubborn new player who sticks to his style, but there is on
e (grammar nazi, sorry) slight problem here. We are playing a game, we are playing it because it's fun, sometimes, at parts... Meanwhile what swf is doing is not fun, he is doing nothing for the sake of survival, I simply can't imagine that someone new to NOC would have the strength to keep this up as a villager, as a mafia he'd at least have victory to look forward to, to which he contributed by playing honestly by the book, but as a village he is doing nothing that'd get him enjoyment from this game... I just think that his is a mask that a villager couldn't possibly wear. And if we take into account there is Celever's recent buddying on him, which strangely started on the day I set some decent points against him, rather than previous ones where he had some jabs at him. But yeah this is conjecture, my favourite kind of con!
Buddying? You mean not labeling him as a mafia is buddying on him? Pretty sure I explained my reasons clearly - if you have any qualms with the logic don't be a stranger and point it out! ^_^
Another one is a possible third scum Walrein, wouldn't put it behind him, that he purposefully posts about how he will make a post against Celever, misses the deadline on purpose, then orchestrates a kill that basically turns his argument into one practically defending Celever.
I have no comment here really. I mean, I also suspect Walrein as a scum. I suppose a possible thing he could have done would be to have missed deadline like you said, then done a kill which turns his argument into one practically defending me to make people suspicious of me for doing a good kill? That's the only way your theory could be correct, but if my version of your theory is correct then that's a fairly good play, all respect be to him >_>
Yeah I'm getting less facty here, but I'm very much thinking I'm done for pretty soon and I might as well get my thoughts out now, rather than end up like in TP NOC where I get nightkilled before posting my opinions.
You were final 6 iirc, lol.
Oh and
Vote Celever
