Its slow enough and bulky enough to run a -Speed Nature like Quiet with Max SpA, and using the rest of your EVs between HP and Attack depending on what you want to beat.
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Pokémon Volcanion
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Yup, Quiet nature is the plan, and so is max SpA.
I'm just trying to find the numbers that prevent KOs to Volc, and cause KOs or enough damage to be revenged to others.
But, I'd think 252 / 252 would be the easiest and most cookie cutter set to run when looking at an AV Volcanion, you just sort of tailor the EVs to what you need for your team.
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So, it's looking like 132 HP/ 124 Atk / 252 SpA.
Preventing KO's from Fully invested EQs from things like Garchomp. And severely weakening them in the process. But like I said, this would be entirely based on what you need it to kill, or survive so the EV spread is flexible.
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Yeah, but besides the lower pp, steam erruption isn't perfect accuracy. But I'll still put it over scald.
Also I can see this thing working really well with landorus-T as they both have perfect synergy together resisting/being immune to each others weakness. Rotom is a problem, but you can just stick a rotom counter on your team.
95 Accuracy isn't bad.
It should hit more than Play Rough, which misses more than it should.
Volcanion is the most beauteous thing in the Pokémon universe besides Keldeo-Resolute, Mega-Ampharos, and Magikarp. It's got exceptional bulk, great resistances, a water-type immunity, only a few weaknesses, and SUPER SCALD. But that's besides what I wanted to post. Here, I bestow upon thee a set:
Volcanion @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
? Nature
EVs: 252 HP / ? / ?
- Steam Eruption
- Flare Blitz
- Hidden Power Ice / Electric
- Rest
The aim of this set is to deal a bunch of damage, then revive yourself with Rest— laughing at the horror of your enemy as they watch your titanic robot-thing heal fully. Steam Eruption takes care of most of your problems, but it has a puny amount of PP. That being said, it should be saved up. Flare Blitz annihilates most Blissey and has quite the surprise factor, since most Volcanion are purely special. Hidden Power Ice slays the dragons which Volcanion utterly loathes and despises. However, Hidden Power Electric will slay Water types other Volcanion if you provoke really want it to. Rest also has a surprise factor, and like I said, it revives you. Openings will be easy to find if you can predict correctly, but if not, there will be complications.
Volcanion @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Water Absorb
? Nature
EVs: 252 HP / ? / ?
- Steam Eruption
- Flare Blitz
- Hidden Power Ice / Electric
- Rest
The aim of this set is to deal a bunch of damage, then revive yourself with Rest— laughing at the horror of your enemy as they watch your titanic robot-thing heal fully. Steam Eruption takes care of most of your problems, but it has a puny amount of PP. That being said, it should be saved up. Flare Blitz annihilates most Blissey and has quite the surprise factor, since most Volcanion are purely special. Hidden Power Ice slays the dragons which Volcanion utterly loathes and despises. However, Hidden Power Electric will slay Water types other Volcanion if you provoke really want it to. Rest also has a surprise factor, and like I said, it revives you. Openings will be easy to find if you can predict correctly, but if not, there will be complications.
Ironically one of the best switch ins to Volcanion would be, well Volcanion. Volcanion doesn't care about Steam Eruption because of Water Absorb and 4x resists any Fire attack Volcanion wants to throw at it. Volcanion is weak to Earthquake and Stone Edge but those aren't on every Volcanion set and if it mispredicts it still has a base 120 defense to rely on. Definitely an interesting Pokemon however and looking forward to using him.
Couldn't find a Volcanion sprite so had to improvise a bit.
Volcanion @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 236 Spd / 252 SAtk / 12 Atk / 8 HP
Mild Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge
This is a set I really want to try out sometime. Steam Eruption and Fire Blast make up the STABs of this set and prove to be strong moves overall. Earthquake is mostly to punish Heatran and other ground weak Pokemons like Aegislash. Flame Charge however is the main deal of this set. After a Flame Charge Volcanion can outspeed the Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion, Espeon and a few other around the base 110 speed tier and hit them before they hit you. The EV spread is a bit weird but it is pretty specific. 236 speed allows you to outspeed all the Pokemon I mentioned earlier after a Flame Charge. 12 attack is to OHKO Heatran all the time and 2 hit KO the rare Tentacruel. Special attack is maximized just for more damage output on yout STAB attack. The remaining 8 HP EVs are just to make Volcanion a little bit bulkier.
This set works best late game after Pokemon that can threaten Volcanion are gone like Latios, Latias, Garchomp and Mega Gyarados. Good team members would be Pokemon that can defeat these Pokemon like Tyranitar who can beat Latias and Latios, Mamoswine can win against Garchomp and Thunderus can cripple Mega Gyarados.
Volcanion @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 236 Spd / 252 SAtk / 12 Atk / 8 HP
Mild Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge
This is a set I really want to try out sometime. Steam Eruption and Fire Blast make up the STABs of this set and prove to be strong moves overall. Earthquake is mostly to punish Heatran and other ground weak Pokemons like Aegislash. Flame Charge however is the main deal of this set. After a Flame Charge Volcanion can outspeed the Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion, Espeon and a few other around the base 110 speed tier and hit them before they hit you. The EV spread is a bit weird but it is pretty specific. 236 speed allows you to outspeed all the Pokemon I mentioned earlier after a Flame Charge. 12 attack is to OHKO Heatran all the time and 2 hit KO the rare Tentacruel. Special attack is maximized just for more damage output on yout STAB attack. The remaining 8 HP EVs are just to make Volcanion a little bit bulkier.
This set works best late game after Pokemon that can threaten Volcanion are gone like Latios, Latias, Garchomp and Mega Gyarados. Good team members would be Pokemon that can defeat these Pokemon like Tyranitar who can beat Latias and Latios, Mamoswine can win against Garchomp and Thunderus can cripple Mega Gyarados.
Ironically one of the best switch ins to Volcanion would be, well Volcanion. Volcanion doesn't care about Steam Eruption because of Water Absorb and 4x resists any Fire attack Volcanion wants to throw at it. Volcanion is weak to Earthquake and Stone Edge but those aren't on every Volcanion set and if it mispredicts it still has a base 120 defense to rely on. Definitely an interesting Pokemon however and looking forward to using him.
Couldn't find a Volcanion sprite so had to improvise a bit.
Volcanion @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 236 Spd / 252 SAtk / 12 Atk / 8 HP
Mild Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge
This is a set I really want to try out sometime. Steam Eruption and Fire Blast make up the STABs of this set and prove to be strong moves overall. Earthquake is mostly to punish Heatran and other ground weak Pokemons like Aegislash. Flame Charge however is the main deal of this set. After a Flame Charge Volcanion can outspeed the Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion, Espeon and a few other around the base 110 speed tier and hit them before they hit you. The EV spread is a bit weird but it is pretty specific. 236 speed allows you to outspeed all the Pokemon I mentioned earlier after a Flame Charge. 12 attack is to OHKO Heatran all the time and 2 hit KO the rare Tentacruel. Special attack is maximized just for more damage output on yout STAB attack. The remaining 8 HP EVs are just to make Volcanion a little bit bulkier.
This set works best late game after Pokemon that can threaten Volcanion are gone like Latios, Latias, Garchomp and Mega Gyarados. Good team members would be Pokemon that can defeat these Pokemon like Tyranitar who can beat Latias and Latios, Mamoswine can win against Garchomp and Thunderus can cripple Mega Gyarados.
Volcanion @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 236 Spd / 252 SAtk / 12 Atk / 8 HP
Mild Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fire Blast
- Earthquake
- Flame Charge
This is a set I really want to try out sometime. Steam Eruption and Fire Blast make up the STABs of this set and prove to be strong moves overall. Earthquake is mostly to punish Heatran and other ground weak Pokemons like Aegislash. Flame Charge however is the main deal of this set. After a Flame Charge Volcanion can outspeed the Gengar, Keldeo, Terrakion, Espeon and a few other around the base 110 speed tier and hit them before they hit you. The EV spread is a bit weird but it is pretty specific. 236 speed allows you to outspeed all the Pokemon I mentioned earlier after a Flame Charge. 12 attack is to OHKO Heatran all the time and 2 hit KO the rare Tentacruel. Special attack is maximized just for more damage output on yout STAB attack. The remaining 8 HP EVs are just to make Volcanion a little bit bulkier.
This set works best late game after Pokemon that can threaten Volcanion are gone like Latios, Latias, Garchomp and Mega Gyarados. Good team members would be Pokemon that can defeat these Pokemon like Tyranitar who can beat Latias and Latios, Mamoswine can win against Garchomp and Thunderus can cripple Mega Gyarados.
Does anyone know if it will get Earth Power? Possible move tutor pokemon Z?
No one could possibly know that other than some Gamefreak developers.
Snotjoch , you've accidentally double posted your set.
Yeah I know but i can't delete it for some odd reason. Computer being weird.
there's a chance. it may also get dragon pulse to hit dragons with because heatran also learns dragon pulse
So is Gen 3 remake coming out before Z?
Volcanion could be in/an event for Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, since the version mascots are sun/rain (fire/water?). Doesn't seem like the stupidest theory ever, at least.
That has got to be the dumbest theory I've ever seen....
Which is code for that's what GF is prolly going to do :p
Anyway, I think I'm actually going to be replacing my AV conk with this guy. Sure, I lose out on mach punch and cool guts boosts, but the sheer wall breaking power of super scald is just too good to pass up. I think Imma run AV with fire blast, super scald, EQ, and flame charge to make him into a psudo sweeper, cuz wynaut?
'Tis a tad too early to make that call don't you think? Diancie came with a movie, Volcanion may follow suit at a later date.
Yeah.
Volcanion is last of the Event Trio, which means, he'll be released last.
They'd make a Hoenn Movie before they even think of Volcanion again, imo.
They could release an Event for Volcanion in R/S, but that might be unlikely.
At least we now have a Legit way to obtain Jirachi and Deoxys.
Uhhh, the Pokemon Coliseum bonus disks from way back when still work, you can still grab Jirachis from that. Granted, they're massive pains in the rear to obtain nowadays, but gen 3+ move tutor and TM access is always appreciated for any mon. Being able to spawn as many as you feel like for perfect IVs and nature is also really cool on a versatile mon like that.
Gen 3 Move Tutors are confirmed, but...
...I don't know if they'll have Gen 4 and 5 Move Tutor Moves unless they add them in.
I was talking about the Pokemon Colliseum preorder bonus from WAAAAY back and how you could use it with the original RSE to get all the Jirachis you ever wanted. After that all you had to do was port the jirachis up to fourth gen, nabbing any TM or move tutor moves you could possibly need, then to fifth gen, doing the same, and then pray that the pokebank actually works that day and port it to your XY game.
Annoying as heck? Yeah it is. Totally impractical for anyone who does not already have the bonus disk? Probably. Still technically possible? Yes.
After reading some comments... How in the world is this Pokémon mediocre? It has two solid STABs in Water and Fire, 3 x4 resistances along with only 3 weaknesses. Steam Eruption is, without doubt, one of the best and more spamishing moves in the entire game, to the point that i'm not lying if i say that move alone justifies his use. This is going to be one of the top OU threats.
I have taken the liberty of compiling a short pros/cons list based off what this thread has said.
Pros
Pros
- Steam Eruption is an awesome and very workable attack.
- Nice mixed attacking stats of 110/130
- Good enough move pool to take advantage of said stats
- Said moves allow it take good advantage of weather
- Plenty of diverse sets, making it unpredictable
- Decent 80/120/90 bulk
- Water Absorb allows it to wall most water types
- Three 4x resistances + Immunity
- Flame Charge allows Assault Vest sets to gather speed and outpace physical attackers, possibly scoring a burn on them with the ever spectacular Steam Eruption.
- Access to plenty of status moves
- STEAM ERUPTION
- Slow
- Weak to all forms of entry hazards, including the notorious stealth rock
- Weak to Earthquake, which every sweeper and its dog has
- It is weak to Stone Edge and other rock moves, which are also fairly common
- FIERCE competition from Heatran
- No boosting moves beyond Flame Charge
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I'd put Flame Charge as a plus. That makes it a viable AV'er with the ability to outspeed physical attackers after a boost or two.
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