If this doesn't fix it I'll be here to say I told you so. Also why did it take so long for you to ban it?
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Almost Any Ability XY (Suspect Over: Weavile banned, Keldeo Stays)
- Thread starter Monte Cristo
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More like necessary
Is Aerilate Explosion Landorus-T necessary? Not in the slightest. Is it fun? F*CK YEAH IT IS!
Lol, Aerilate was hardly banworthy, stall completely dominates the tier already and now you've just taken out the main wallbreakers. I mean, most of the top 10 was stall already, now it'll basically be an unbeatable play style. The only real input this thread had on an Aerilate ban was from noobs who had absolutely no idea how to play the tier in general, and I wish you had taken the time to ask the community for their view on Aerilate in general before deciding on this ban. It had plenty of reliable checks and counters.
Guess my team will be twice as good now that it doesn't have a Noivern or Gyarados weakness now, anyway...
EDIT: Never mind, it's had more opposition than I thought, but I agree with Oi that Aerilate should be where the bans stop. The other aren't nearly as deadly in comparison.
Guess my team will be twice as good now that it doesn't have a Noivern or Gyarados weakness now, anyway...
EDIT: Never mind, it's had more opposition than I thought, but I agree with Oi that Aerilate should be where the bans stop. The other aren't nearly as deadly in comparison.
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I meant dragonite
Pixilate is kinda worthless unless you are fairy type. But Refrigerate is still gonna be used to hell and back, and if it gets banned we can unban Kyu-b.
Even without aerilate or even the ate abilities in general HO is just as viable as stall. I also think gale wings will be more viable on pokemon other than skarmory for bird spam with no aerilate espeed.
Yeah I agree the Aerilate ban was uncalled for. It was broken only on Dragonite to begin with (Noivern was easier to deal with since Boomburst doesn't have +2 priority) and at the end of the day it's just a generic "+ damage" ability that will just get replaced by the next best thing available.
It's pretty much the same deal with Speed Boost Blaziken from the standard metagame: Blaziken itself was the problem, not Speed Boost.
If Aerilate Dragonite is broken, then Dragonite should be banned, not Aerilate.
It's pretty much the same deal with Speed Boost Blaziken from the standard metagame: Blaziken itself was the problem, not Speed Boost.
If Aerilate Dragonite is broken, then Dragonite should be banned, not Aerilate.
wow aerilate seriously should NOT be banned.
If you ban aerilate, might as well ban poison heal, magic bounce and unaware.
I got to #1 rank in AAA and stayed in the top 5 for the whole month. So I know what threats are and what aren't threats.
And let me tell you this: NO ONE on the top of the ladder used dragonite or any aerilate user.
It was pure stalling. (regenerator regirock and goodra, mold breaker skarm, poison heal/unaware suicune and cress,...)
The only aerilate users I saw once in a while were dnite, noivern and lando, but they all came from the lower ranked players. They weren't threats for the top 10 players at all. They were in fact pretty easy to deal with. But if you, for some reason, still want to ban aerilate, just ban it on those three pokemon.
Personally banning aerilate will change NOTHING in the meta apart from the lower ranked guys, who wouldn't even get to the top with those teams anyways. The best AAA teams consisted of MINIMUM 4 bulky pokemon. Making room for 2 attackers that should actually also be pretty bulky. Because frail pokemon were useless in this tier. I personally hate hyper defense (stall) way more than hyper offense and this tier was all about stall.
This was the team of the guy that was able to retain his 1st place for the longest (word):
mold breaker skarm (whirlwind, roost, spikes, bb/rocks)
unaware celebi (recover, skill swap, toxic, perish song)
poison heal suicune (protect, scald, calm mind, roar)
regenerator goodra w assault vest (muddy water, dpulse, fire blast, ...)
magic bounce chansey (skill swap, seismic toss, wish/softboiled, toxic/...)
prankster/stance change aegislash (IF prankster: sub, protect,toxic,destiny bond IF stance change: sub, king shield, sacred sword, shadow ball)
this was the team I used last (I've used a few different teams and kept tweaking them):
Many also used magnezones and zapdos to EASILY deal with all aerilate users.
If you ban aerilate, also ban these:
refrigerate, pixilate, unaware, poison heal, magic bounce, gale wings
If you ban aerilate, might as well ban poison heal, magic bounce and unaware.
I got to #1 rank in AAA and stayed in the top 5 for the whole month. So I know what threats are and what aren't threats.
And let me tell you this: NO ONE on the top of the ladder used dragonite or any aerilate user.
It was pure stalling. (regenerator regirock and goodra, mold breaker skarm, poison heal/unaware suicune and cress,...)
The only aerilate users I saw once in a while were dnite, noivern and lando, but they all came from the lower ranked players. They weren't threats for the top 10 players at all. They were in fact pretty easy to deal with. But if you, for some reason, still want to ban aerilate, just ban it on those three pokemon.
Personally banning aerilate will change NOTHING in the meta apart from the lower ranked guys, who wouldn't even get to the top with those teams anyways. The best AAA teams consisted of MINIMUM 4 bulky pokemon. Making room for 2 attackers that should actually also be pretty bulky. Because frail pokemon were useless in this tier. I personally hate hyper defense (stall) way more than hyper offense and this tier was all about stall.
This was the team of the guy that was able to retain his 1st place for the longest (word):
mold breaker skarm (whirlwind, roost, spikes, bb/rocks)
unaware celebi (recover, skill swap, toxic, perish song)
poison heal suicune (protect, scald, calm mind, roar)
regenerator goodra w assault vest (muddy water, dpulse, fire blast, ...)
magic bounce chansey (skill swap, seismic toss, wish/softboiled, toxic/...)
prankster/stance change aegislash (IF prankster: sub, protect,toxic,destiny bond IF stance change: sub, king shield, sacred sword, shadow ball)
this was the team I used last (I've used a few different teams and kept tweaking them):
Zygarde @ Leftovers
Ability: Protean
EVs: 244 Atk / 216 HP / 48 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Coil
- Earthquake
- ExtremeSpeed
- Stone Edge
Tyranitar @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Illusion
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake
Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Heal Bell
- Seismic Toss
- Dynamic Punch
- Hypnosis
Porygon2 @ Eviolite --> this pokemon was constantly changed (dnite, noivern, zapdos, chansey, victini,...)
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Psych Up
- Recover
- Tri Attack
- Foul Play
Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Solar Beam
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Substitute
Ability: Protean
EVs: 244 Atk / 216 HP / 48 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Coil
- Earthquake
- ExtremeSpeed
- Stone Edge
Tyranitar @ Tyranitarite
Ability: Illusion
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Crunch
- Earthquake
Mew @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spd
Impish Nature
- Heal Bell
- Seismic Toss
- Dynamic Punch
- Hypnosis
Porygon2 @ Eviolite --> this pokemon was constantly changed (dnite, noivern, zapdos, chansey, victini,...)
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 SDef / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Calm Nature
- Psych Up
- Recover
- Tri Attack
- Foul Play
Heatran (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drought
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature
- Solar Beam
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Flash Cannon
Keldeo @ Leftovers
Ability: Lightningrod
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 SDef
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Icy Wind
- Substitute
Many also used magnezones and zapdos to EASILY deal with all aerilate users.
If you ban aerilate, also ban these:
refrigerate, pixilate, unaware, poison heal, magic bounce, gale wings
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holy crap people complaining about the most broken thing since kyurem-b. Aerilate literally let noivern break shit like Cresselia. 120/120 bulk. with only 97 base SpA. seriously?
anyways, refridgerate and poisonheal are consideration for bans but the others are in no way broken rofl
anyways, refridgerate and poisonheal are consideration for bans but the others are in no way broken rofl
such power was needed to even scare a stall team a little. Even then stall teams didn't care about aerilate noiverns and dragonites
aegislashes and goodras and zapdos everywhere.
I'd say just ban combos.
Like: aerilate with dnite&noivern, poison heal with cress,suicune,...
and there's no need to ban refrigerate after the aerilate ban. People mostly used refrigerate to counter dnites, noiverns and landos.
But tbh, poison heal wasn't the scariest, because it was easily countered by skill swap.
The most scary pokemon was unaware suicune 252hp 252def scald sleep talk rest calm mind.
So unaware should also be banned in combination with rest sleep talk+set up .
unaware isn't a problem if the pokemon can still be statused or can't set up.
Don't forget refrigerate+Kyu-B.
HO was -never- that viable in this tier. Teams without reliable defensive cores were often completely stomped on by more defensive teams, and it was often necessary to pack 2-3 walls before choosing any offensive mons. I've seen no player using any form of offense breaching the top 5 where that said offensive team didn't have a reliable walling backbone.
Now the play style, to boot, has lost one of its strongest weapons against stall, Noivern, and one of the best ways to defeat opposing sweepers, Dragonite. I'm still not going to protest the Aerilate ban because it's pointless at this point due to the support it has despite being baseless and idiotic, but no way in hell is this change good for HO. The once struggling play style is now indisputably completely crippled and quite frankly not viable at this point.
I don't see people complaining when noivern could 6-0 stall teams without a care, so I don't see why people should care when CM PH cune could 6-0 hyper offence teams. also the ban was not baseless and idiotic, saying that shows true ignorance
Honestly if your stall team got 6-0'd by a Noivern, your stall team wasn't good. Especially with new greater options available. Not saying it wasn't good, but there were enough counters to it for Stall teams to utilize.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Zapdos: 154-182 (40.1 - 47.3%) -- 98.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Choice Specs Aerilate Noivern Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Aegislash-Shield: 140-165 (43.2 - 50.9%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
switcheroo ruins chansey so switching non sticky hold into noivern is a pretty obvious idea and could lead you to getting switcheroo'd
Take noivern off the good set examples m8
Custom Game, just mention that you're doing AAA
When you challenge a person, click on the format selection thing. You'll find custom game there. There is no ladder for Custom Game, so challenging people to it is the only way.
You can actually challenge people in AAA too, as well as past OMOTMs
Tbh I didn't know that I just noticed the ladder may or may not have ceased to exist
Everyone shall now point at me and laugh
Round 1 Doesn't have Aerilate banned, which is in the current AAA.
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