By "anything he can do, Klefki can do better" I don't mean specific moves. I mean that Klefki is better at annoying almost all of the same pokes, can annoy ones Sableye can't, and can lay hazards-things Sableye can't do. However, I agree that there are some pokes that Sableye is just way better at annoying. That's why I use Sableye over Klefki. While Klefki can annoy more pokes better, Sableye is a better Annoyer for a few of the more common pokes (although Heatran eats him alive)
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Pokémon Sableye
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I personally think that this ruby is connected with a unique ability, such as full priority protection.
Surprised TF is actually being fair and giving a mega to sableye. I'd be getting both games anyway, but cool that they evened out the exclusives.
That was something I was thinking about, actually. Like, against every attack Sableye has a 25% damage buffer against the damage that lets the excess bleed through and maybe status protection if that capacity isn't exceeded.
"It is said that Mega Sableye uses the jewel as a powerful defensive tool in battle. From behind the shelter of the jewel, it can readily exploit the opponent’s weaknesses and take advantage of any openings. It is said that the jewel hardens into such strength that no attack can even make a scratch!"
I am assuming that what I underlined in bold is not just dumb pokedex-description hyperbole, but actually is what will happen in battle. I really don't understand how people are extrapolating Analytic or Magic Guard out of this. The statement literally says that Sableye can not be damaged by attacks. This is a very similar mechanic to Wonder Guard. For these reasons I think Sableye will get Wonder Guard:
I am assuming that what I underlined in bold is not just dumb pokedex-description hyperbole, but actually is what will happen in battle. I really don't understand how people are extrapolating Analytic or Magic Guard out of this. The statement literally says that Sableye can not be damaged by attacks. This is a very similar mechanic to Wonder Guard. For these reasons I think Sableye will get Wonder Guard:
- The statement given heavily implies that it won't get damaged by attacks, especially like Wonder Guard.
- Sableye needs some crazy ability to make it viable
- Sableye stat total is only 385. You want to know what 50+ in both Defense and Sp. Def gets it? 50 / 115 / 105 defensive bulk which is actually around the same bulk of Rotom-W (50 / 107 / 107) and lol Spiritomb (50 / 108 / 108). FFS Mega-Heracross has more bulk with the same defenses but with 80 HP > 50 HP. Every other stat would remain the same with that type of boost given.
- Huge Power was a way to get around the need to increase Mega-Mawile's stats to make it more effective. With Wonder Guard any sort of defensive increase or investment in Sableye would be pretty much unnecessary, so they could add to his other stats (attack, special attack, speed) instead.
- Sableye already has Prankster, which is already one of the best abilities in the game. Wonder Guard is one of the only abilities that brings it up a notch, which is what mega-evolutions are supposed to do.
- Stance Change, Prankster, and Infliltrator already have been used and creates unncessary competition
- Sableye would be very similar to Mega-Banette if it kept Prankster. It would be completely outclassed because of the low BST issue, as Banette would have more. Another Ghost-type, Aegislash, which is one of the most popular pokemon already uses the defensive vs offensive form element already. Sableye would compete directly with Aegislash. Also stance change is completely reliant on King's Shield, which Sableye doesn't have access to. Infiltrator as a given ability is lol worthy because you would be making an exact copy of Spiritomb. Basically, any of those abilities makes Sableye get outclassed / compete with other Ghost-types. With that in mind, it detracts attention away from Sableye, which I don't think Game Freak is aiming for.
- Magic Guard would be ass because its best effectiveness is with an item (Life Orb / Focus Sash) which Sableye doesn't have acesss to with a Mega-Stone. This is the reason that Mega-Alakazam got trace.
Sableye's bulk spread is 50/75/65, so that would only be a 40+ defense increase for each... I agree that a type change and Wonder Guard seems most likely, but I think Bulletproof is in the runnings as well as far an immunities go. We can't rule out a Fur Coat clone either.
A prankster pokemon with one weakness getting Wonder Guard? Lol nope. Enjoy ubers, Sableye!
Correction: With a +50 in both defenses, Mega Sabes gets 125 Defense and 115 Special Defense. I think it's more likely to have +10 Atk, +50 Def and +40 SDef, giving it 50/85/125/65/105/50 = 480, granting it some neat bulk. Wish that HP was higher, though...
I wonder if it'll keep Prankster or get a new Ability that doubles its Defense, a Fur Coat nameclone. Looking at its description, I think both are possible.
I wonder if it'll keep Prankster or get a new Ability that doubles its Defense, a Fur Coat nameclone. Looking at its description, I think both are possible.
I've got to say, when the only other Pokemon to have Wonder Guard has 5 weaknesses and base 1 HP I find it highly unlikely that a Pokemon with 1 weakness and base 50 HP will get its hands on it - even if the description hints otherwise.
It wouldn't be the first time something's been over exaggerated in Pokemon!
Also, the only major difference between Sableye and its mega is the giant gemstone it hides behind so I don't see how a type change to Ghost/Rock or Dark/Rock would be justified when such a little change has been made - meaning that Wonder Guard would be waaaay too overpowered!
It wouldn't be the first time something's been over exaggerated in Pokemon!
Also, the only major difference between Sableye and its mega is the giant gemstone it hides behind so I don't see how a type change to Ghost/Rock or Dark/Rock would be justified when such a little change has been made - meaning that Wonder Guard would be waaaay too overpowered!
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All of those megas are more powerful than their base forms. Not everything has to be top tier OU.
Houndoom went from "good in UU" to "top tier UU", banette went from "PU shitmon" to "high RU threat", etc
If mega sableye has prankster then it could have a good potential as a mixed wall if it gets some sp.def boost. Using a calm nature( To wall Sp.Attackers) and with Will-o-wisp (To wall physical attackers)
wonder guard mega sableye would probably be banned from ubers.
it is literally "have a fairy or lose". you can't even status it since it gets priority substitute first turn.
it is literally "have a fairy or lose". you can't even status it since it gets priority substitute first turn.
I don't really care about tier placement, i just want it to be useful. What i meant by my comment is that Houndoom went from having a great ability to an almost useless one upon megavolving.
I kept my houndoom from sapphire at lvl 99 just incase they ever gave it an evo and I was extremely disappointed by solar power about 12 years later.
At any rate, the whole argument is pretty much mitigated by the fact that a mega-evo without prankster won't outclass normal sabeleye, it will have its own niche.
I really hate to be that guy, but I don't believe that Wonder Guard as an ability can be derived from that description. The Dex, and descriptions of powers and abilities in general for this game are nearly all cases of extreme hyperbole. On the topic of things that "cannot be scratched:
- Tyranitar: "Its body can't be harmed by any sort of attack, so it is very eager to make challenges against enemies."
- Golem: "Even dynamite can't harm its hard, boulderlike body. It sheds its hide just once a year."
- Bastiodon: "Any frontal attack is repulsed. It is a docile Pokémon that feeds on grass and berries."
- Registeel: "Tempered by pressure underground over tens of thousands of years, its body cannot be scratched."
- Chesnaught: "When it takes a defensive posture with its fists guarding its face, it could withstand a bomb blast."
- Cloyster: "Its shell is extremely hard. It cannot be shattered, even with a bomb. The shell opens only when it is attacking."
- GOOMY: "It's covered in a slimy membrane that makes any punches or kicks slide off it harmlessly."
- Shelgon: "Its armored body makes all attacks bounce off. The armor is too tough, however, making it heavy and somewhat sluggish."
My hopeful theory is that it will keep Prankster. Sableye was almost unusable without that ability because its stats were so low. Priority burns and Recover, for all intents and purposes, "buffed its stats" in a way because it made it able to survive things it otherwise would not have, like Draco Meteors and all manner of physical attacks from non-Fire-types. If not Prankster, I think that the next possible ones are Stance Change (if some extreme coding changes go on for it), Bulletproof, Magic Bounce (unlikely, but possible), or some jank new ability that may block/weaken all frontal physical moves (exceptions being things like Phantom Force, Hyperspace Hole, and Shadow Sneak that all come from behind). Whatever it is, Mawile I feel will still get the best benefit of the pair because of available abilities; in addition to the +100 to its defenses, it got essentially a +154 to it's Attack stat alone (maxed out), making its functional base stat total a whopping 634. Looking through, I don't see an ability that would do that for the more defensive Sableye, unless you count that pseudo stat-buff with Prankster recovery and burns I mentioned earlier.
For the argument that it won't get Prankster because Banette is already "the role" of Prankster Ghost, I disagree. If you think about it, it's Banette that's in the wrong here; Sableye already had the niche of Prankster Ghost covered, and then Banette was added. Just because it got its Mega first doesn't change that a whole lot in my view. Think of the roles that overlap right now: Mega Garchomp < Garchomp in most cases, Mega Charizard X and Mega Aerodactyl both share the role of Tough Claws attackers, Mega Absol and Espeon are similar as fragile Magic Bouncers, Gyarados and Mega Gyarados face competition from each other in use
based on recent RMTs and laddering. Having one more co-niche of Prankster Ghost isn't a problem; besides, Banette is more around "Prankster suicide with Destiny Bond" than "Prankster annoy you to death with defenses and recovery". Their roles are still very different.
tl;dr: Arceus please let Mega Sableye keep Prankster or something as awesome we don't see yet......
Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
Its boulder-like body is extremely hard. It can easily withstand dynamite blasts without taking damage.
I honestly don't care what tier it goes to, I just mean like... Don't ruin an already solid Pokemon.
-looks at Alakazam-
(yes, I know it's still good... but honestly it's non-mega form has served me so much better than his mega ever has)
Sableye really does need his leftovers in some cases (they've saved my Sableye from death countless times), and there's so many ways I can see Gamefreak completely ruining an already solid Pokemon, or just not giving him what he needs to be better in his mega form (I'd choose regular Sableye over Mega Sableye any day assuming Mega Sableye doesn't get a new tool to mess around with, because of leftovers).
But I don't care what tier he ends up in lol
Really, what's with the Wonder Guard speculation here? That would make Sableye nigh-invincible, only hit by fairy types (if only Sableye Gyro Ball was a thing)! If that happened, Sableye would go from good OU and great UU to top of Uber. Now think about the fact that there are no really good Fairy Types (as in, actually has good synergy with good Uber teams) in Uber. This means that either teams are going to have to put a bad-fitting fairy poke or a Sableye on their teams-or do some crazy setup involving tons of entry hazards, sand or hail, and damage over time... oh yeah, this also has to break through recovery every turn. Sound OP?
The speculation is being made because of the description that was given for mSableye.
"It is said that the jewel hardens into such strength that no attack can even make a scratch"
It makes sense I suppose. Not sure if you're aware, but GF isn't exactly one for balance.
On the contrary, I don't forsee him getting wonder Guard.
Meanwhile Xerneas is S tier Uber...
But yeah, Wonder Guard would be obscenely broken with only the Fairy weakness, I really hope they don't do that and I don't think they are going to.
Lol what's xerneas
Edit: ninja'd by Jebus christ
This would make sense... if they gave Sableye another three weaknesses (and yes Xerneas is OP but he can actually get hit). Without another weakness, GF would have to be insane to do that. The Wonder Guard ability is meant to be used on super-weak pokemon (not Sableye by the way) with multiple weaknesses. Why even consider this? Most likely, the gem is either a buffer, a free Substitute, or a defensive boost. Wonder Guard? Us Sableye fans (including me) wish
Xerneas is an easily counterable fairy type (although I will admit I failed by not mentioning him)
But is it a counterable stat booster?
To an extent, yes
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