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Not to mention Florges isn't a counter nor is Aromatisse, at +1 they are both 2hko'd by Poison Jab after rocks

+1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Florges: 288-340 (80 - 94.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 280-330 (68.9 - 81.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

And that's DD not SD... nor is it LO... at which point they won't even be checks lol.



Good luck SDing in front of a rampaging Haxorus :^)

Wow that's very terrifying to be honest , disregard my above statement then of florges walling it. I think the best answer to Haxorus will be faster pokemon that can take advantage of its fragile body. Some of these pokemon can be hydreigon, meinshao, victini etc.
 
Yeah, IMO Haxorus is going to be a massive threat to defensive teams, but the thing that might keep it uu is the fact that it's very susceptible to being revenge killed.
 
Yeah, IMO Haxorus is going to be a massive threat to defensive teams, but the thing that might keep it uu is the fact that it's very susceptible to being revenge killed.

Having access to taunt can pose a problem for stall teams too I will be interested to see how people usher that into Haxorus.
 
Wow that's very terrifying to be honest , disregard my above statement then of florges walling it. I think the best answer to Haxorus will be faster pokemon that can take advantage of its fragile body. Some of these pokemon can be hydreigon, meinshao, victini etc.

Offensive teams never have much trouble with Haxorus (even with DD since scarf Hydreigon's 98 speed tier kek), it is hard to setup with it already, especially so under offensive pressure. So tbh Haxorus only has offensive checks....
But wait, lemme guess, so Stall teams can rely on Sableye to check Haxorus if it doesn't have Lum Berry?????

+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker burned Haxorus Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Sableye: 257-304 (84.5 - 100%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Nope. Well I guess at least a crippled Haxorus is worth a dead Sableye...

That being said I will really enjoy a Haxorus metagame. Fuck stall teams kek
 
Stall teams were never that good anyway... I think people just confuse pink core with stall, but really the point of using those mons was that it allowed you to run whatever 3 mons you wanted to in the last three slots, due to how well they covered a good portion of the metagame (essentially being able to run any team archetype from stall to bulky offense, or even stuff like QDpass when Veno was legal)
 
Stall teams were never that good anyway... I think people just confuse pink core with stall, but really the point of using those mons was that it allowed you to run whatever 3 mons you wanted to in the last three slots, due to how well they covered a good portion of the metagame (essentially being able to run any team archetype from stall to bulky offense, or even stuff like QDpass when Veno was legal)
No, by stall I do mean actual stall, the playstyle that only gets worse after the power creep that has happened over the recent generations. The only reason why I brought up Stall teams as opposed to bulky offense is because you can fit Hydreigon to Pink Core in bulky offense, who even w/o scarf checks SD/Band Hax, while DD fails to break some sturdy wall cores.
 
If the Calc's are as good as I'm seeing then wouldn't Haxorus just make UU more offensive then it already is? Wouldn't that be a bad thing in itself? Considering we'd want diversity and not just another (lul choice band V-Create)
 
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tbh Stall's not important enough for anyone to care bout Shadow Tag. tbh it's just hype regarding killing stall.

whats that line of numbers and symbols and letters you put up

tbh i obviously care and your flippant distasteful and ignorant remarks fill me with anger. it's not hype shadowtag combined with gothorita basically invalidates the whole idea of stall not to mention it does exactly what gothitelle does just in a slightly less effective manner in killing half the walls in uu with a specs set so if uu wants to remian consistent then it should ban shadow tag now or free big goth.
 
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I kind of like Haxorus. Strong, physical dragon, but very likely overpowering in an old meta where we didn't have strong priority users, Aromatisse was still not a thing back then, and it basically fucks Florges with Poison Jab.

Then again,
4 SpA Aromatisse Moonblast vs. 120 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 272-324 (84.2 - 100.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
4 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 120 HP / 0 SpD Haxorus: 306-360 (94.7 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Aromatisse: 186-220 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Florges: 192-228 (53.3 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

It probably might not make too much of a difference lel.

Here's to hoping that our new found 'friends' in Alakazam, Infernape and Lucario can put a check on this guy.

also fun calc
252+ Atk Fletchinder Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Haxorus: 148-175 (50.3 - 59.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

welpwelp
 
whats that line of numbers and symbols and letters you put up

tbh i obviously care and your flippant distasteful and ignorant remarks fill me with anger. it's not hype shadowtag combined with gothorita basically invalidates the whole idea of stall not to mention it does exactly what gothitelle does just in a slightly less effective manner in killing half the walls in uu with a specs set so if uu wants to remian consistent then it should ban shadow tag now or free big goth.

The line of letters say "Too busy banning U-Turn bro". Calm down pif

I understand what Gothitelle does to stall and how effective it is (from multiple persons). I just made a careless and completely careless comment to follow the symbol typography. Your anger is understandable.
 
Mostly theorymonning, but I think haxorus will be relatively healthy for the meta, because it acts as a counterbalance to most of the monstrous special walls in the game, but lacking enough speed and defense to avoid getting revenge killed. In this way, it is similar to staraptor in that it gets worn down really easily, but unlike raptor, it lacks a spammable STAB, priority, and needs a turn to set up to do real damage. Because it's lacking those three elements, it's not as overpowering as Staraptor.
 
It also falls just under the 100 speed mark so it is outsped by stuff like Jirachi and junk.

Also loses to Hydreigon by 1 point.
 
Mostly theorymonning, but I think haxorus will be relatively healthy for the meta, because it acts as a counterbalance to most of the monstrous special walls in the game, but lacking enough speed and defense to avoid getting revenge killed. In this way, it is similar to staraptor in that it gets worn down really easily, but unlike raptor, it lacks a spammable STAB, priority, and needs a turn to set up to do real damage. Because it's lacking those three elements, it's not as overpowering as Staraptor.
With 147 Attack and a 120 BP STAB you really don't need a turn to set up to do real damage.

And if you wanna do the Staraptor comparison Haxorus hits basically just as hard.

252+ Atk Choice Band Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 364-430 (106.7 - 126%)
252+ Atk Choice Band Haxorus Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 354-417 (103.8 - 122.2%)

The difference is that Haxorus has no safe switch ins and can boost both its speed and attack.
 
The one thing that separates haxorus from raptor and daunt (who were clearly broken due to power), is that it cant spam its moves as easily. Outrage/d claw and poison jab are walled by steel types while eq cant be spammed due to flying types (although there are only a handful of flying types). We all know that outrage spam cant happen as easily thanks to fairies.

Overall, i think haxorus sounds scary on paper, but limited resists and meh defenses wont let hax switch in easily. When it does start to boost, UUs usual scarfers can come in and rk fairly easily. Hera is doing about 83% on 4/0 hax with close combat and shao is doing 90% with hjk.

Another thought is who can haxorus setup on? Blissey is 2hko by life orb d claw while it can paralyze hax easily.if hax is running lum berry, then blissey isnt even ohko by +2 d claw since it loses life orb boost. life orb poison jab doesnt ohko 252/252+ aromatisse and 252/236 florges while moonblast is a clean ohko from florges and a 63% chance to ohko hax. Physical walls like slowbro and mega aggron can t wave or dragon tail. Then you have scarf hydreigon...

I think there are plenty of ways to beat haxorus. Ill playtest more, but i think its more hype
 
Can switch in on outrage, yeah. But it gets other moves you know.
The problem is if it gets locked into outrage, it's donezo because it has no bulk. So, you have to run a boosting move to be able to switch between moves, while maintaining around the same damage output. But it can't set up because it has no bulk....

Therein lies the problem


Edit: it also gets outsped by a lot of threats like the aforementioned hydreigon
 
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It can setup on blissey (run outrage lol), choice locked fire types (even entei due to lum berry), raikou, suicune, houndoom and on forced switches against things like the nidos or heracross. The only scarfers that can revenge kill it after a dragon dance are mienshao and hydreigon as everything else fails to ko and needs a priority user or another scarfer to finish the job. Not saying its definitely going to be broken but its a lot better than what youre giving it credit for.
 
One thing I have to note, is that in every single one of your arguments, you assume the best possible scenario in favour of your argument. I'm not going to dwell on your 'SR and spikes' are doing 150% damage and there's no way to stop Deoxys getting up 2 layers so w/e. However, 'He's neutralized by things that are very common (Stealth Rock + Proper Prediction)'. I can apply the same logic to basically every single mon, that if you have hazards and correct prediction you're going to beat it. No shit you're going to beat it, that's the point of a prediction in the first place. Oh and Stealth Rock, you mean the same Stealth Rock that is completely irrelevant due to the fact it's healing 33% upon switching out which if my math doesn't fail me, actually means that Tornadus-T is gaining health even when SR are up :o Then you say 'Don't let him get free switch ins'. Man, I sure as hell would be the best battler in the world if I didn't let anything get a free switch in but there lies the problem with Torn-T, it has those opportunities to come in and even if it doesn't, it's basically forcing you to predict heavily towards it's arrival which against a good player, is a tactic that can be used against you. So please, next time you try and present an argument, make sure that it isn't an argument that I can apply to any mon in the tier to make it look broken or not broken and make sure you have your facts straight, because nothing makes your argument look less feasible than you lacking knowledge of basic game mechanics.

It's kind of irrelevant now, but SR does matter -- it takes away the reason you use him. Torn can't take hits if he's not constantly healing. You say "oh he heals that SR damage anyway because of regenerator", but that's not the point. SR doesn't kill him -- what kills him is the actual damage you do to him. When rocks are on the field, the damage is permanent. He can't take hits with that base 80 defense unless he's healing them off. Rocks prevents that. As far as winning predictions, you don't have to win every prediction. Even with rocks off the field, Torn only heals 33% every time he gets in. I'm pretty sure every mon in the tier can do over 33% to Torn with their standard sets. Just win half your predictions and he can't heal enough to keep taking hits.

But anyway, clearly people don't agree with me or get what I'm trying to say, so he's banned.

Haxorus is one I don't like. The mere existence of his swords dance set is a huge blow to stall.
 
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The problem is if it gets locked into outrage, it's donezo because it has no bulk. So, you have to run a boosting move to be able to switch between moves, while maintaining around the same damage output. But it can't set up because it has no bulk....

Therein lies the problem


Edit: it also gets outsped by a lot of threats like the aforementioned hydreigon

Ampharos uses volt switch on Blissey to get Hax in safely.

Goodbye stall.
 
Ampharos uses volt switch on Blissey to get Hax in safely.

Goodbye stall.
So, do you outrage and hope he doesn't switch into a fairy? Or do you DD or SD up, risking that blissey could cripple you, or maybe it wish passes into an offensive threat? Either way, you end up with a dead haxorus. Don't get me wrong, haxorus is amazing, just not banworthy.
 
So, do you outrage and hope he doesn't switch into a fairy? Or do you DD or SD up, risking that blissey could cripple you, or maybe it wish passes into an offensive threat? Either way, you end up with a dead haxorus. Don't get me wrong, haxorus is amazing, just not banworthy.

Swords dance + lum berry was very common in UU beta and means you're definitely losing something if you go for the Twave from Blissey.

Swords dance + dragon claw + poison jab + earthquake was the set.
 
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