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Counter
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze > Tough Claws
EVs: 248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe
Careful Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Will-o-wisp
Mega Charizard X can practically avoid the 2HKO from any +2 attack that Thundurus has at it. Dragon Claw obviously 2HKOs so it can switch into any attack AND beat it one on one. While I'm hesitant to call Charizard a counter because Thunder Wave cripples it, but considering the definition of counter mentions "without factoring hax", it is still a counter by definition. Since this Charizard is usually found on Stall teams, a cleric healing off the paralysis is easy as pie.
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 148+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 113-133 (31.4 - 37%) -- 80.6% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 148+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 126-149 (35 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze > Tough Claws
EVs: 248 HP / 148 SpD / 112 Spe
Careful Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Will-o-wisp
Mega Charizard X can practically avoid the 2HKO from any +2 attack that Thundurus has at it. Dragon Claw obviously 2HKOs so it can switch into any attack AND beat it one on one. While I'm hesitant to call Charizard a counter because Thunder Wave cripples it, but considering the definition of counter mentions "without factoring hax", it is still a counter by definition. Since this Charizard is usually found on Stall teams, a cleric healing off the paralysis is easy as pie.
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 248 HP / 148+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 113-133 (31.4 - 37%) -- 80.6% chance to 3HKO
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 248 HP / 148+ SpD Mega Charizard X: 126-149 (35 - 41.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Check:
Thundurus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic / Volt Switch (meh)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Focus Blast
If i switch on tbolt or twave, i'm safe even with rocks up and i can kill him.
If i switch on hp ice/ nasty plot with rocks i'm fucked; calcs:
252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Thundurus-T: 102-122 (34.1 - 40.8%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Thundurus-T: 204-242 (68.2 - 80.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
And i can easily 2kho
252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 193-228 (64.5 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Well, other counters/checks was taken. The delay of knowing the real set of thundurus didn't help.
Why using thundurus therian instead of the thundurus/raikou?
.... i don't know, electric immunity maybe?
Thundurus-Therian @ Assault Vest
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 SDef / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic / Volt Switch (meh)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Focus Blast
If i switch on tbolt or twave, i'm safe even with rocks up and i can kill him.
If i switch on hp ice/ nasty plot with rocks i'm fucked; calcs:
252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Thundurus-T: 102-122 (34.1 - 40.8%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
+2 252 SpA Thundurus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Thundurus-T: 204-242 (68.2 - 80.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
And i can easily 2kho
252 SpA Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 193-228 (64.5 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Well, other counters/checks was taken. The delay of knowing the real set of thundurus didn't help.
Why using thundurus therian instead of the thundurus/raikou?
.... i don't know, electric immunity maybe?
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I think you mean Timid nature, not Jolly.
C O U N T E R
does this look like the face of mercy
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Stealth Rock / Flamethrower
- Thunder Wave / Heal Bell / Calm Mind
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Clefable: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 118-141 (39.4 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
pokétuber the dragon lx has gone a good way in convincing me of unaware clef's merits over magic guard, given a team's needs. this demon's got a little more spdef padding than than the usual greninja switch-in clef ( 160 / 96+ ) as you'll need to keep in mind that stealth rock / burn damage is now relevant. that said, set up 'mons like NP thundurus & DDnite are walled straight to hell, which is exactly where clefable crawled out from. thunder wave is a great option to cripple zard x & mega gardy and let a teammate pick 'em off, while heal bell is always a solid team support choice on something as sturdy and easy to switch in as clef.
does this look like the face of mercy
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Stealth Rock / Flamethrower
- Thunder Wave / Heal Bell / Calm Mind
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 136+ SpD Clefable: 123-145 (31.2 - 36.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 118-141 (39.4 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
pokétuber the dragon lx has gone a good way in convincing me of unaware clef's merits over magic guard, given a team's needs. this demon's got a little more spdef padding than than the usual greninja switch-in clef ( 160 / 96+ ) as you'll need to keep in mind that stealth rock / burn damage is now relevant. that said, set up 'mons like NP thundurus & DDnite are walled straight to hell, which is exactly where clefable crawled out from. thunder wave is a great option to cripple zard x & mega gardy and let a teammate pick 'em off, while heal bell is always a solid team support choice on something as sturdy and easy to switch in as clef.
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Week 22:
Okay this week was tough; it was hard to go through ten checks and nine counters and only choose three of each! If I didn't choose yours, it was most likely due to the competition being so fierce. But as always, feel free to PM me if you object. One thing new is that I added five more victims from a thread I just found.
Oh yeah, the code in the OP is also screwed up. For some reason the Archive begins with
and is split in two. Then Mega Gyarados and its checks are in a quote inside of the second quote...
This week we'll do Keldeo!
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Hidden Power Flying
Keldeo is a very terrifying Pokemon to face. Its Hydro Pump has immense power, its Scald has the chance to burn its checks and counters, and Secret Sword hits would-be counters, special walls, extremely hard through their Defense. It's a hard Pokemon to crack, but it can be done. Good luck!
Okay this week was tough; it was hard to go through ten checks and nine counters and only choose three of each! If I didn't choose yours, it was most likely due to the competition being so fierce. But as always, feel free to PM me if you object. One thing new is that I added five more victims from a thread I just found.
Oh yeah, the code in the OP is also screwed up. For some reason the Archive begins with
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[QUOTE][/QUOTE][QUOTE][/quote][QUOTE][/quote][QUOTE]This week we'll do Keldeo!
Keldeo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Secret Sword
- Scald
- Hidden Power Flying
Keldeo is a very terrifying Pokemon to face. Its Hydro Pump has immense power, its Scald has the chance to burn its checks and counters, and Secret Sword hits would-be counters, special walls, extremely hard through their Defense. It's a hard Pokemon to crack, but it can be done. Good luck!
Counter
Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- Scald
- Recover
Ah, Jellicent, the forgotten jellyfish that was such a pain in gen V. Though the lack of rain offense makes Jellicent far less clutch than he used to be, he retains a niche usage as a ghost that can spinblock against Starmie and Excadrill, serves as a half-decent stallbreaker, and is a full stop against one of the most dangerous wallbreakers in OU, Specs Keldeo.
Since we're focusing on Keldeo here, let's start with the obvious: with immunity to three out of four moves on Specs Keldeo's set, the only thing that can even touch it is HP Flying, which does fuck-all as far as damage even on a physically defensive set (which is good, because heavy defensive investment is necessary if your goal is to spinblock against Excadrill):
Basically, Jellicent can switch in on Keldeo even with SR and three layers of Spikes up and still recover off any damage it takes from HP Flying. From there it can start spreading WoWs to cripple the opposing team or chip away with Scald.
Max defense investment because otherwise this thing can't actually do its job against Excadrill. You can move some EVs into Speed - 88 brings it up to 178, which speed creeps Tyranitar with 76 EVs, but no one plays that anymore, so I prefer the full defensive investment to always avoid the 2HKO from non-LO Excadrill. If you're not worried about stall, then drop Taunt for Shadow Ball, which deals 25.3-30% to Keldeo and lets you hit Starmie hard.
Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- Scald
- Recover
Ah, Jellicent, the forgotten jellyfish that was such a pain in gen V. Though the lack of rain offense makes Jellicent far less clutch than he used to be, he retains a niche usage as a ghost that can spinblock against Starmie and Excadrill, serves as a half-decent stallbreaker, and is a full stop against one of the most dangerous wallbreakers in OU, Specs Keldeo.
Since we're focusing on Keldeo here, let's start with the obvious: with immunity to three out of four moves on Specs Keldeo's set, the only thing that can even touch it is HP Flying, which does fuck-all as far as damage even on a physically defensive set (which is good, because heavy defensive investment is necessary if your goal is to spinblock against Excadrill):
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Jellicent: 94-111 (23.3 - 27.5%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
Basically, Jellicent can switch in on Keldeo even with SR and three layers of Spikes up and still recover off any damage it takes from HP Flying. From there it can start spreading WoWs to cripple the opposing team or chip away with Scald.
Max defense investment because otherwise this thing can't actually do its job against Excadrill. You can move some EVs into Speed - 88 brings it up to 178, which speed creeps Tyranitar with 76 EVs, but no one plays that anymore, so I prefer the full defensive investment to always avoid the 2HKO from non-LO Excadrill. If you're not worried about stall, then drop Taunt for Shadow Ball, which deals 25.3-30% to Keldeo and lets you hit Starmie hard.
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counter
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 40 HP / 220 Def / 248 SpD
Bold / Impish Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
- Scald / Knock Off
big fish
I pulled this spread from my ass tbh but it works for countering Specs Keldeo, if you have a better spread feel free to correct me. This spread allows Alomomola to easily switch in on Keldeo and PP stall the hydro pump if it decides to click that or take Secret Swords and then Toxic to put it on a timer, or Knock Off to remove specs and neutralize it as a threat. it also has Regenerator making it easily pivot in and out without much HP loss.
calcs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 40 HP / 220+ Def Alomomola: 178-210 (37 - 43.6%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 167-197 (34.7 - 40.9%) -- 61.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Alomomola @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 40 HP / 220 Def / 248 SpD
Bold / Impish Nature
- Wish
- Protect
- Toxic
- Scald / Knock Off
big fish
I pulled this spread from my ass tbh but it works for countering Specs Keldeo, if you have a better spread feel free to correct me. This spread allows Alomomola to easily switch in on Keldeo and PP stall the hydro pump if it decides to click that or take Secret Swords and then Toxic to put it on a timer, or Knock Off to remove specs and neutralize it as a threat. it also has Regenerator making it easily pivot in and out without much HP loss.
calcs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 40 HP / 220+ Def Alomomola: 178-210 (37 - 43.6%) -- 99.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 40 HP / 252 SpD Alomomola: 167-197 (34.7 - 40.9%) -- 61.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Counter
Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Draco Meteor
- Roost
- Defog
Bulky Defog Latias even with Stealth Rock on her side of the field can come in on Specs Keldeo time and time again with Roost for recovery. All moves that are used by this Keldeo variant are 3HKOs at best on this Latias spread with Stealth Rocks factored in. Latias can proceed to take out Keldeo with Psyshock and if necessary Roost off damage.
Latias @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 72 HP / 184 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Draco Meteor
- Roost
- Defog
Bulky Defog Latias even with Stealth Rock on her side of the field can come in on Specs Keldeo time and time again with Roost for recovery. All moves that are used by this Keldeo variant are 3HKOs at best on this Latias spread with Stealth Rocks factored in. Latias can proceed to take out Keldeo with Psyshock and if necessary Roost off damage.
HARD CHECK
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Sdef
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earth Power/Protect
Gastrodon is a very great check to Specs Keldeo. Its ability, Storm Drain, makes it immune to both Scald and Hydro Pump while increasing its Special Attack by 1 stage. This, and because Hidden Power Flying does pitiful damage (Calcs below), gives Gastrodon plenty of switch-in opportunities. Its only fear is Secret Sword, which is a guaranteed 3HKO and has a slight probability to 2HKO after rocks. Protect can be used instead of Earth Power if you want to almost counter Keldeo by more passive recovery and Toxic damage, but then it looses coverage and a nice second STAB option.
Calcs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gastrodon: 115-136 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- 43.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 190-225 (44.6 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 0 SpA Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 147-174 (45.5 - 53.8%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO (93.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock).
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Sdef
IVs: 0 Atk
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earth Power/Protect
Gastrodon is a very great check to Specs Keldeo. Its ability, Storm Drain, makes it immune to both Scald and Hydro Pump while increasing its Special Attack by 1 stage. This, and because Hidden Power Flying does pitiful damage (Calcs below), gives Gastrodon plenty of switch-in opportunities. Its only fear is Secret Sword, which is a guaranteed 3HKO and has a slight probability to 2HKO after rocks. Protect can be used instead of Earth Power if you want to almost counter Keldeo by more passive recovery and Toxic damage, but then it looses coverage and a nice second STAB option.
Calcs:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gastrodon: 115-136 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- 43.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 190-225 (44.6 - 52.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
+1 0 SpA Gastrodon Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 147-174 (45.5 - 53.8%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO (93.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock).
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Counter
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Standard Crocune set. Isn't really bothered by any of Keldeo's moves:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 135-160 (33.4 - 39.7%) -- 21.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 118-140 (29.2 - 34.7%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
At the very least, if they get a high roll, you can pivot into something that doesn't mind taking Secret Sword. Otherwise, you can easily set up against Keldeo.
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Calm Mind
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Standard Crocune set. Isn't really bothered by any of Keldeo's moves:
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 135-160 (33.4 - 39.7%) -- 21.4% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 118-140 (29.2 - 34.7%) -- 100% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
At the very least, if they get a high roll, you can pivot into something that doesn't mind taking Secret Sword. Otherwise, you can easily set up against Keldeo.
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Counter:
Cresselia (F) @ Light Clay / Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
Calm Nature
- Light Screen
- Psychic / Moonblast
- Moonlight / Lunar Dance
- Reflect
A nice Keldeo Counter , can halve the damage of keldeo's attacks with Light Screen and reduce further it with Moonblast. Has an high resistance to all of Keldeo's attacks except Hydro Pump. She can also resist after rocks enough to recover with Moonlight. With Psychic instead of Psyshock it's a guaranteed 2HKO.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 160-190 (36 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 160-190 (36 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia through Light Screen: 80-95 (18 - 21.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Cresselia: 89-105 (20 - 23.6%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 59-70 (13.2 - 15.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Scald vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 118-139 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- 36.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
4 SpA Cresselia Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 168-200 (52 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Cresselia (F) @ Light Clay / Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 SpA
Calm Nature
- Light Screen
- Psychic / Moonblast
- Moonlight / Lunar Dance
- Reflect
A nice Keldeo Counter , can halve the damage of keldeo's attacks with Light Screen and reduce further it with Moonblast. Has an high resistance to all of Keldeo's attacks except Hydro Pump. She can also resist after rocks enough to recover with Moonlight. With Psychic instead of Psyshock it's a guaranteed 2HKO.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 160-190 (36 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 160-190 (36 - 42.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia through Light Screen: 80-95 (18 - 21.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Cresselia: 89-105 (20 - 23.6%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 59-70 (13.2 - 15.7%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Scald vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 118-139 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- 36.6% chance to 3HKO after Stealth Rock
4 SpA Cresselia Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 168-200 (52 - 61.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spd
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Psychic / Giga Drain
- Baton Pass
- Recover
Incidentally, this is the third time I made a post on Celebi in this thread because it counters a ton of stuff, and I love this little guy. SDef Celebi practically avoids the 2HKO from any of Keldeo's moves, even HP Flying after Rocks, which neither Amoonguss nor Venusaur can survive. The fact that it can tank 2 HP Flying after SR means that Thunder Wave is a low risk move to be used upon the first switch in, which punishes Keldeo's user regardless if they switch out. Thanks to Natural Cure, a Scald burn doesn't bother it as much as it bothers other switch ins to Keldeo. From there, it can Thunder Wave, heal up with Recover, and subsequently 2HKO with your STAB of choice. Baton Pass also allows it to escape Pursuit trappers commonly paired with Keldeo, and is a really handy move to pivot out after Thunder Wave if Keldeo switches.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Celebi: 146-172 (36.1 - 42.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 176-210 (54.4 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0 SpA Celebi Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 176-210 (54.4 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Analytic / Natural Cure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Psyshock / Psychic
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
While Specs Hydro Pump 2HKOS, Starmieis faster and OHKOs, so there's that. Natural Cure is, again, an option for switching into Scald better. Psyshock doesn't actually have a 100% chance of OHKO, so Psychic is an option.
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Slowbro @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Ice Beam
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Slowbro: 87-102 (22 - 25.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Slowbro Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 188-224 (58.2 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Regenerator allows Slowbro to be a COUNTER
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Fire Blast
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Ice Beam
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Slowbro: 87-102 (22 - 25.8%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Slowbro Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 188-224 (58.2 - 69.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Regenerator allows Slowbro to be a COUNTER
Counter:
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Clear Smog
Amoongus is one of the best Keldeo counters out there. It resist both Water and Fighting STAB while only fearing Hidden Power Flying. Can keep itself healthy with Giga Drain and Regenrator so it will be difficult to weaken and break through Keldeo. Not much to say other than it just counters Keldeo really well and has use outside of that.
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Clear Smog
Amoongus is one of the best Keldeo counters out there. It resist both Water and Fighting STAB while only fearing Hidden Power Flying. Can keep itself healthy with Giga Drain and Regenrator so it will be difficult to weaken and break through Keldeo. Not much to say other than it just counters Keldeo really well and has use outside of that.
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Counter:
Amoonguss @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Foul Play
- Clear Smog
Amoongus is one of the best Keldeo counters out there. It resist both Water and Fighting STAB while only fearing Hidden Power Flying. Can keep itself healthy with Giga Drain and Regenrator so it will be difficult to weaken and break through Keldeo. Not much to say other than it just counters Keldeo really well and has use outside of that.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Amoonguss: 236-278 (54.6 - 64.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Not a Counter
Oh wow derp I put the wrong EV spread.
I. Frigging. Hate. Keldeo. Such a prima Donnna sometimes I swear.
Anyway, lets go check then.
CHECK
Talonflame
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Item: Choice Band
-Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-Turn
- Aerial Ace/whatever
I despise this thing but it was able to decimate the damn pony in 1v1 fights. Basically corner the horse and click BB. You are losing half your health in SR so unless you have that down don't try switching in o that Secret Sword. Basically its your basic revenge killer that stops you no matter what.
Still tho. Hate these things.
Anyway, lets go check then.
CHECK
Talonflame
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP
Item: Choice Band
-Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-Turn
- Aerial Ace/whatever
I despise this thing but it was able to decimate the damn pony in 1v1 fights. Basically corner the horse and click BB. You are losing half your health in SR so unless you have that down don't try switching in o that Secret Sword. Basically its your basic revenge killer that stops you no matter what.
Still tho. Hate these things.
nitpicking but your ev spread is kinda bad, slowbro doesnt even need an assault vest as 252 hp 232 def 24 spd avoids 2hko
Also reserving tentacruel slowking if i can,rlly similar to slowbro except even better when it comes to a keldeo counter
Counter
RU REPRESENT (Slowking) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Thunder Wave
- Slack Off
Slowking is almost never seen in OU. However, when it comes to keldeo counters, its one of the best out there. Slowking can take any four hits from Keldeo and retaliate with a Psyshock. It's also able to take on top tier threats such as non-Knock Off Landorus and Lati@s. An Assault Vest set is also viable, letting it take on Charizard Y, Greninja and Mega Gardevoir.
Counter / Hard Check
Tentacruel @ Black Sludge
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 224 HP / 252 Def / 32 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Acid Spray
- Rapid Spin
- Scald
- Sludge Bomb
Tentacruel is a pretty hard check to Keldeo for more defensively oriented teams. Acid Spray + 2 Sludge Bombs will KO, while specs Hydro Pump only has a 0.5% chance to 3HKO. Stall teams would use Tentacruel because of its access to Rapid Spin, allowing stall to use Spikes without removing their own hazards using defog.
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COUNTER
Azumarill @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 124-147 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 68.3% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 390-462 (120.7 - 143%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Can take every move Keldeo throws at it 2x and kills it with Play Rough, but hates being burned by Scald.
Azumarill @ Assault Vest
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Waterfall
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 124-147 (30.9 - 36.6%) -- 68.3% chance to 3HKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 390-462 (120.7 - 143%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Can take every move Keldeo throws at it 2x and kills it with Play Rough, but hates being burned by Scald.
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Being a counter doesn't mean it must be Blessed to heal itself indefinately. If you are to reckless yes you could lose Azu due to it taking one too many repeated hits but it fits the bill as a counter cause it is able to switch into Keld's moves with ease (outside of Scald) and can reliably force it out and or defeat it if it chooses to stay in.
The reason why I used Ass. Vest was due to the fact that why else would Slowbro run Psyshock, as it would much rather run Scald/Ice Beam/TWave/Slack Off, and that Slowbro is much more viable (Bro's A, King's C-). However, if you know a better spread for AVBro, please tell me.
people would run psyshock because they have keldeo problems lol, and honestly i like to dive deep with these things - see goodra for thundurus and wanting to reserve tentacruel prior though i'm gonna do tenta if i can't do slowking
Forgot to actually type up mamoswine *facepalm*
This week, we'll do standard Thundurus! check
Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Nasty Plot
Thundurus is a very common Pokemon in OU, and for a good reason. It has an excellent Speed tier and great special attack, and so it makes a great special attacker with BoltBeam coverage. However, its main draw for usage comes from its ability, Prankster. This gives Thunder Wave priority, and so allows it to serve as a stop to most sweepers in OU. I It also resists Flying and OHKOs Talonflame and Pinsir, so it is able to serve as a check to them. Thundurus is a highly influential Pokemon in OU, and it's integral to know how to check and counter all of its sets, but most importantly its most common set.
Thunderus can switch in on secret sword or hp flying and can tank a scald without SR up. Its is a pretty shaky check, but often its what I find I switch in on Keldeo when playing offensive teams. Also wins 1 v 1 because its faster
Calcs:
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 312-368 (96.5 - 113.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO Almost guaranteed to ko keldeo
In return
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 138-162 (46.1 - 54.1%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 59-69 (19.7 - 23%)
Lives both of these easily
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 235-277 (78.5 - 92.6%)
Lives scalds barely if need be also depending on rolls can live burn
Hydro Pump wins, but can always hope they miss.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 322-381 (107.6 - 127.4%)
It is almost a revenge killer, but check/revenge killer territory quite murky.
This week, we'll do standard Thundurus! check
Thundurus (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Nasty Plot
Thundurus is a very common Pokemon in OU, and for a good reason. It has an excellent Speed tier and great special attack, and so it makes a great special attacker with BoltBeam coverage. However, its main draw for usage comes from its ability, Prankster. This gives Thunder Wave priority, and so allows it to serve as a stop to most sweepers in OU. I It also resists Flying and OHKOs Talonflame and Pinsir, so it is able to serve as a check to them. Thundurus is a highly influential Pokemon in OU, and it's integral to know how to check and counter all of its sets, but most importantly its most common set.
Thunderus can switch in on secret sword or hp flying and can tank a scald without SR up. Its is a pretty shaky check, but often its what I find I switch in on Keldeo when playing offensive teams. Also wins 1 v 1 because its faster
Calcs:
252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 312-368 (96.5 - 113.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO Almost guaranteed to ko keldeo
In return
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Secret Sword vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Thundurus: 138-162 (46.1 - 54.1%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Flying vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 59-69 (19.7 - 23%)
Lives both of these easily
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Scald vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 235-277 (78.5 - 92.6%)
Lives scalds barely if need be also depending on rolls can live burn
Hydro Pump wins, but can always hope they miss.
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Thundurus: 322-381 (107.6 - 127.4%)
It is almost a revenge killer, but check/revenge killer territory quite murky.