XY OU Building a Strong Team Around Jolten, help please?

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doubleb036

doubleb036

Hello everyone!
Attempt #2 (with some edits from previous team posted thanks to amazing members here on this site) to see if I can get some more help with my competitve team; I am always looking for as many improvements as possible. I am open to any and all constructive criticism and ideas to make this team better. Before you ask, I want to keep Jolteon in my team no matter what because it is my favorite Pokemon. I am trying to build this team to battle the PAX Pokemon League (and follow their rules- http://paxpokemonleague.net/rules/) it wouldn’t be the same trying to get Gym Badges in real life without my favorite Pokemon, you know? :p


Here is my team and a brief description (plus questions for some in the description) below the Pokemon:

Offensive Core:

Zoe (Jolteon) (F) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 60 HP / 252 SpA / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Agility
- Baton Pass

I'm trying to use Jolteon as a Special Attack Sweeper using Agility first as a guarantee that I am faster than anyone and the ability to use Baton Pass to maintain that speed when I switch into Mega-Heracross to combat any of Jolteon's counters. Thunderbolt as Jolteon's STAB and Hidden Power Ice to cover Ground (and Dragon) types like Garchomp when they come in to counter. Plus with agility I have the speed to always go first and with the Special Attack EV's and special effect boost from Expert Belt, I am able to OHKO them.) The problem I have found recently is that sometimes it is better to just attack and not even risk using agility and taking a hit just to be faster than everyone. Should I stick with Agility & Baton Pass to help out Mega-Heracross as a sweeper? Or try something else like more attack options to cover weaknesses…

Mr. Forearms (Heracross-Mega) (M) @ Heracronite
Ability: Skill Link
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
- Close Combat
- Earthquake

Mega-Heracross is my Bulky Physical Sweeper and with the Baton Pass plus Agility from Jolteon it can out speed pretty much everything just enough with the 60 speed on it and making it bulkier by giving the the 196 HP. (If I do change Jolteon’s Agility and Baton Pass should I add more speed to Heracross?) Skill link will guarantee 5 shots of pin missile and bullet seed creating some nice one move KO's and Close Combat/Earthquake are massive physical moves to help keep his move variation quite complex to cover a large amount of super effective moves against a variety of Pokes.

Heat Train (Heatran) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 12 SpD / 244 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Flamethrower
- Flash Cannon

Leaving the Physical damage to Mega-Heracross I've brought in Heatran to round out my offensive core. I'm continuing with the Speed factor here to make sure that I can get a shot off first and have Sub and Toxic to give him and my team so more maneuverability. The problem I have run into is if ground moves go off on Heatran or Jolteon it’s a big problem for my offensive core (I try to switch in Skarmory to counteract an incoming ground move) and they are even normal effective against Heracross and do a good amount of damage to him so that is another problem I've encountered. Again, open to suggestions but I love the offensive potential Heatran brings to this team. (Only issue being if I transfer this to my Gameboy it’s impossible to guarantee more than 3 or 4 perfect EV’s, any other suggestions on someone I can breed and throw in this spot would be great)

Defensive Core:


Bling Blang (Klefki) (M) @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Spikes
- Thunder Wave


I usually lead off with Klefki to set up my screens, throw a T-Wave on them first if possible and maybe even set up spikes. I’ve seen a good amount of Klefki use and this helps me set up with Jolteon to get that Agility off to be able to baton pass to Heracross when seen fit. Sometimes I have to deviate from starting up that way and have had a hard time finding a way to work that in (due to typical constant flamethrower threat on Klefki which has made me think I should even out the Def and SpD EVs) Love Klefki as my typical lead and dual screener. As always any tips are always helpful :)

Eggcelent (Chansey) (F) @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 8 HP / 252 Def / 248 SpD
Bold Nature
- Seismic Toss
- Stealth Rock
- Wish
- Protect

Chansey instead of Blissey with the Eviolite presented a much stronger defensive Pokemon from what I have looked at/tested. The Stealth Rock was too tempting to pass up plus Wish (to use on any of my team instead of Soft-boiled for just Chansey) and Protect combo to scout out moves and health myself felt pretty good defensively in my mine. I've had trouble with Ghost types because I can’t attack them with Seismic Toss while trying to eliminate Ghost moves by sending Chansey in but I'm not sure what else would go great. I've seen Flamethrowers on other Chansey's but Heatran covers my fire type on my team. Again open to any and all suggestions.

Sky (Skarmory) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Tailwind
- Roost
- Brave Bird
- Defog

The Skarmory & Chansey Defensive combo I have heard about before when looking up combos for Jolteon (seeing and passing up the Jolteon & Gyarados combo for the physical attacker that is Mega Heracross) Tailwind helps give my entire team speed so that baton pass isn't needed to out speed someone when switching (I’ve thought about taking advice and using Taunt as well, still testing that out not sure whats better yet but with the speed needed on my team I feel I should keep it in baring any changes), roost helps recover from brave bird and defog gets rid of all traps (also having an issue figuring out if I can get Defog on Skarmory by breeding a perfect Skar in X&Y and bringing him down to D&P to teach him DeFog then bring him back up, is that possible?). I love this Skarmory/Chansey duo and haven't considered taking it out of my team but if everyone has good reasons as to why I am open to any and all suggestions that make my team around Jolteon better :)


Looking forward to hearing any and all help possible! Thanks everyone :)


-DoubleB036 :toast:
 
The only real way I can think of to make Jolteon part of your team and carry weight is to make a BP team, which isn't against those rules. It's obviously inferior to Scollipede, but the current team would be better off with Scollipede over Jolteon so I guess that shouldn't be a problem.
 
Nice team you have here doubleb036... here are some suggestions:

1. Klefki < Espeon: Thanks to Magic Bouce, you can set up screens with impunity as Klefki would be Taunt bait otherwise. Yes Klefki has Prankster, but T-Wave doesn't mean crap if an opponent switchs into Thundurus as then you would lose the Speed tie to Thundurus anyways and proceed to fall behind. Switch to the following:

Espeon (F) @ Light Clay
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Morning Sun
- Captivate
- Light Screen
- Reflect

Captivate is a very underrated move that lowers an opponent's Special Attack by 2 stages, making guys like Thundurus and Landorus shit weak. (Also since Lando and Thundy are ALWAYS male) this will always work out for you. Dual Screens are a must and Morning Sun is to heal off damage when able to. Calm Nature with 252 / 252 HP / SpD investments make Espeon as bulky as possible. Normally people would opt for Timid 252 Speed but since the emphasis here is to counteract Thundurus... his base speed is one point higher than yours and almost all of them are 252+ Speed.

Let me know what you think?

2. Heracross: The EV spread should really be 40 HP / 252 Atk / 212 Speed as you can outrun Adamant Bisharp. Otherwise A-OK.

3. Heatran < Scolipede: I only make this suggestion seeing as you are REALLY trying to make Jolteon the star of this team. As such we need to maximize his ability to sweep. Scolipede provide this through its ability and moveset as displayed:

Scolipede (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 248 HP / 20 Def / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Substitute
- Iron Defense
- Baton Pass

With this set; you can reliably set up the main event...

4. Jolteon @ Life Orb
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Signal Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Shadow Ball

Just straight attack as if you can get a + 2 Speed and Def Boost from Scolipede AND a Substitute, Jolteon can cause some serious DAMAGE.

Let me know what you think of these suggestions.
 
Thank you both for the quick response and help so far!

Kioskate - By BP, I assume you mean a Barely Played Team. I wouldn't mind trying that, my only concern is that will a BP team be able to get me badges at PAX Pokemon League in Boston (PAX East) since that is my main goal here.

Rafael - These are some sweet tips and I defintely want to try them out and I love the sets on Espeon and Scolipede! My only concern with switching Scoli for Heatran is that I take away an offensive member of my team and I feel like I cripple myself if either Jolt or Hera go down. However, it does help take away my crazy team weakness to ground a little bit (especially if Skarmory goes down). How well does Scoli take a physical ground attack? I dont use him much.

Thanks again guys, feel free to keep the advice coming everyone! I love it! :)
 
By BP I mean baton pass, so something like jolteon/espeon/vaporeon/Mr Mime/Smeargle/Mew with everyone having baton pass buffing up towards an espeon sweep
 
Ahhhhh gotcha, I like that idea actually. Mind if I put something together in a little while and message you it for a crtique?
 
Wow just found one of his teams lol let me read his entire post and get back to you on how I would want to sub in Jolteon for Zapdos haha
 
Aww... didnt see that.. my bad... either way it might be challenging to compose a team like that without the ideal parts but not impossible... anyways good luck with that ^_^
 
So I just ran into an issue trying to get this team onto my Pokemon Y version...Chansey can't learn Wish since its a Gen 3 move and the only Chansey with Wish was one from a NYC event in 2004 (which I do not have). Any advice for another move on Chansey to replace Wish? Or maybe even another Poke all together to replace Chansey? Let me know when you get a chance everyone, thanks :)
 
doubleb036 said:
So I just ran into an issue trying to get this team onto my Pokemon Y version...Chansey can't learn Wish since its a Gen 3 move and the only Chansey with Wish was one from a NYC event in 2004 (which I do not have). Any advice for another move on Chansey to replace Wish? Or maybe even another Poke all together to replace Chansey? Let me know when you get a chance everyone, thanks :)
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togekiss could work as a wish passer, helps with the ground weakness too. it can be a part of a baton pass chain too, it can even pass +2 special attack boosts to jolteon with nasty plot.

also, sorry, but you can't trade your skarmory from XY to DP to teach it Defog. you could use Mandibuzz instead, as it gets Defog via level up, or if you have something from DP to breed Defog onto Scizor then that would work great too (gets baton pass as well).

i didn't know that mini-leagues like this existed, to be honest it's actually somewhat cool. it reminds me of when i first started playing pokemon and everything was so new and exciting. hope you have fun there :]
 
BlazingFlareon said:
togekiss could work as a wish passer, helps with the ground weakness too. it can be a part of a baton pass chain too, it can even pass +2 special attack boosts to jolteon with nasty plot.

also, sorry, but you can't trade your skarmory from XY to DP to teach it Defog. you could use Mandibuzz instead, as it gets Defog via level up, or if you have something from DP to breed Defog onto Scizor then that would work great too (gets baton pass as well).

i didn't know that mini-leagues like this existed, to be honest it's actually somewhat cool. it reminds me of when i first started playing pokemon and everything was so new and exciting. hope you have fun there :]
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This is awesome, thank you so much! Yeah, Pokemon Showdown is a tease sometimes with moves like defog on skarmory and how nintendo changes so much with each gen. haha this process is long and difficult but hopefully it all pays off and I get some badges! :p thanks again for the help :)
 
What is the current makeup of your team? Are you going full BP with Scoli, Jolt, Mega Hera and friends?

Just want to know seeing as you could incorporate another BP member to the team:

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
EV: 192 HP / 252 Def / 64 Spe
Ability: Water Absorb
Bold Nature (+Def,-Atk)
IV: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Acid Armor
- Baton Pass
- Wish

BIG Wish passes plus a +2 Def boosting move. Very Nice along with BP to keep the chains going while also having 64 Speed EVs to outspeed 115 base mons after a +2 speed boost. Ooo the evil that is emanating from this set. Wuahaahahah!!!

Please enlighten us and let me know what you think?
 
BlazingFlareon said:
togekiss could work as a wish passer, helps with the ground weakness too. it can be a part of a baton pass chain too, it can even pass +2 special attack boosts to jolteon with nasty plot.

also, sorry, but you can't trade your skarmory from XY to DP to teach it Defog. you could use Mandibuzz instead, as it gets Defog via level up, or if you have something from DP to breed Defog onto Scizor then that would work great too (gets baton pass as well).

i didn't know that mini-leagues like this existed, to be honest it's actually somewhat cool. it reminds me of when i first started playing pokemon and everything was so new and exciting. hope you have fun there :]
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Actually, you can get a defog skarmory into XY, by teaching it via HM in D/P/Pt, then trading over to HG/SS and transferring up from there (you can't poketransfer pokemon with HM moves, but defog ISN'T an HM in HG/SS). I ran into this with someone before who was freaking out because he couldn't get a defog scizor. It CAN be done in the cartridges, it's just a bit of a hassle.
 
SomeKidFromJohto said:
Actually, you can get a defog skarmory into XY, by teaching it via HM in D/P/Pt, then trading over to HG/SS and transferring up from there (you can't poketransfer pokemon with HM moves, but defog ISN'T an HM in HG/SS). I ran into this with someone before who was freaking out because he couldn't get a defog scizor. It CAN be done in the cartridges, it's just a bit of a hassle.
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Actually I think this is "impossible" at the moment because the server for all those older Gen games went offline sometime in May I think.

Trust me... I know (Defog Zapdos... where art thou?)

On a lighter note... since it seems like You won't be using the SkarmChan Defensive core why not explore another option?

Starmie @ Leftovers
EV: 248 HP / 20 Def / 16 SpD / 224 Spe
Ability: Natural Cure
Timid Nature (+Spe,-Atk)
IV: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Reflect Type
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

EVs are as to survive a CB Terrakion's Stone Edge while also being able to avoid a 2HKO from Keldeo's HP Electric / Grass. Speed is just enough to outrun Thundurus and Reflect Type him to avoid SE damage. SpD also help provide an outside chance of avoiding a OHKO from a MODEST Landorus-I Earth Power and LATIAS Draco Meteor. Acts as a sponge to absorb status thanks to Natural Cure while Recover and Rapid Spin are self explanatory.

Let me know what you think.
 
Rafael J. Feliciano : I may breed and bring a BP team as back up but, primarily, I want to try and use something similar to my first post, include the best changes to that team and find a good defensive core to swap SkarmChan for. I was thinking maybe follow BlazingFlareon's advice and go Togekiss (or even Clefable, not sure yet) for a cleric/wish user and then Mandibuzz for the Defog since, like SomeKidFromJohto said, its a bit of a hassle to get Skarmory not only with DeFog but with god IV's as well. I like the Vaporeon as another potential BP Poke and the Starmie is interesting but who would I pair it with to build a solid Defensive Core around Jolt/MegaHera/Heatran Offense and Klefki set up? Should I potentially mix up Heatran and Klefki or even try for another mega??

Again, what my ultimate goal is, I want to try to have a team focused around Jolteon that I am able to use in X&Y (with good IV's) so that I can effectively battle the PAX Pokemon League and win some badges at the next PAX East convention. :)

Let me know what you guys think, thanks again for all the help! :)

-doubleb
 
SomeKidFromJohto said:
Actually, you can get a defog skarmory into XY, by teaching it via HM in D/P/Pt, then trading over to HG/SS and transferring up from there (you can't poketransfer pokemon with HM moves, but defog ISN'T an HM in HG/SS). I ran into this with someone before who was freaking out because he couldn't get a defog scizor. It CAN be done in the cartridges, it's just a bit of a hassle.
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i knew that, i meant that you can't "trade" with XY and dpp. i was simply pointing out ways he could breed it in XY, since that's generally easier to breed in. sorry, i might've worded it confusingly.
 
Its okay haha its my fault as well since I should have noted that I understood your point and would much rather breed in XY due to what I have heard about how difficult it is to figure out IV's in previous games. Hypothetically, if I were to breed a Skarmory with Defog in DPP, what would be the best way to figure out its IV's anyway? I know that X&Y is the easiest game to check IV's with the man in Kiloude City's Pokemon Center but I'm not sure how to do it in old games since I am new at breeding for IV's.
 
Rafael J. Feliciano said:
Actually I think this is "impossible" at the moment because the server for all those older Gen games went offline sometime in May I think.

Trust me... I know (Defog Zapdos... where art thou?)

On a lighter note... since it seems like You won't be using the SkarmChan Defensive core why not explore another option?

Starmie @ Leftovers
EV: 248 HP / 20 Def / 16 SpD / 224 Spe
Ability: Natural Cure
Timid Nature (+Spe,-Atk)
IV: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Reflect Type
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

EVs are as to survive a CB Terrakion's Stone Edge while also being able to avoid a 2HKO from Keldeo's HP Electric / Grass. Speed is just enough to outrun Thundurus and Reflect Type him to avoid SE damage. SpD also help provide an outside chance of avoiding a OHKO from a MODEST Landorus-I Earth Power and LATIAS Draco Meteor. Acts as a sponge to absorb status thanks to Natural Cure while Recover and Rapid Spin are self explanatory.

Let me know what you think.
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BlazingFlareon said:
i knew that, i meant that you can't "trade" with XY and dpp. i was simply pointing out ways he could breed it in XY, since that's generally easier to breed in. sorry, i might've worded it confusingly.
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I just need to clear this up for everyone, and not just the two of you: It IS possible to move defog pokemon up to gen 6 from gen 4, and you can still do it even after the wifi service for gen 5 and 6 stopped. All you need are the cartridges themselves, and two DS's, one of them being a 3DS. The steps are simple, yet time-consuming. I'll use scizor for my example, as it is both a pokemon that can learn defog in gen 4 as an HM and breed for it in gen 6 (but you need to breed it with itself in gen 6 to get it as an egg move, so you need to do this either way).

First, you obtain a scizor in your Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum version. (It's easiest in platinum) Next, you teach it defog using your HM. From here, if you tried to transfer it to gen 5 via poketransfer by using 2 DS's, you would be unable to, as you cannot transfer pokemon with HM moves using poketransfer. So what you need to do is first trade your scizor that knows defog to your Heart Gold or Soul Silver version, where defog is not an HM. From there, you can then use poketransfer to move scizor up to Black, White, Black 2, or White 2, and from there, use pokemon bank and the poke transporter to move them from your Gen 5 game to your X or Y version. You don't actually use the wifi connection for any of this except pokebank, which is a gen 6 service, so the absence of wifi service for older generations doesn't affect the process.

Again, this is more of a public service announcement than anything else, so I'm not necessarily addressing this at anyone in particular, I just want everyone to know that it is still possible to do this.
 
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