Other ORAS Mega Speculation Thread (NO talk about potential bans NOR Aegislash)

[silver97]

You are forgetting that Talonflame makes quick work of it, and Mega Pinsir can KO it with a little bit of prior damage with Aerilate-boosted Quick Attack.

it is obviously a notable flaw, but many things are weak to birdspam in OU (it wouldn't be that good otherwise) and it isn't nothing unfixable, just pair it up with a couple checks and you are fine

 

[WebBowser]

Due to Salamence probably being in OU for at least a few days, I recommend that during that brief period of time, everyone should run either Ice Shard Mamo or Ice Shard M-Glalie, as I legitimately believe it will be just that threatening.

Don't worry bro, I got this....

252 Atk(150 base) Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Scolipede through Reflect: 220-259 (68.1 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

setup bait imo, not sure what the hype is about...

Lol, jk, this thing is actually broken (and scolipede fears mixed variants anyway, so not even he can setup in his face).

But yeah, I'm struggling to even find checks to this monster, let alone counters. As far as checks go, we have the things that check literally every other broken sweeper like Sash-Endeavor and sashloom, we have ice shard, HP ice balloon tran, and we have scarfninja/scarfstarmie (lord help us if it comes to scarfninja). As far as counters go..... I got scarf dnite (only w/o rocks), sp defensive mega aggron (with ice punch), gyro ball bronzong, phys defensive mandibuzz(foul play op), and phys defensive umbreon(but use mandibuzz anyway)....

That's a sad, sad lineup tbh.

 

[Apophis]

Defensive registeel and m-steelix could also check it effectively, maybe even regirock; not a standup bunch of pokes tho. It's be nice if these defensive steels/rocks actually got some recover moves, then maybe we wouldn't see mence off to ubers.

 

[silver97]

Defensive registeel and m-steelix could also check it effectively, maybe even regirock; not a standup bunch of pokes tho. It's be nice if these defensive steels/rocks actually got some recover moves, then maybe we wouldn't see mence off to ubers.

the fact is that mega mence will likely have like base 130 Satk and will be able to fire off draco meteors and fire blasts that can dent those mons, and also eq with dd boost

 

[Alfalfa]

I just realized that Mega Glalie has a Refrigerate-boosted Explosion. I calced it, and it hits really hard, factoring in the fact that Mega Glalie gets base 120 attack:

252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 273-322 (84.5 - 99.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
-1 252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Manectric: 400-472 (142.3 - 167.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
-1 252 Atk Glalie Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Manectric: 166-196 (59 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 285-336 (85.3 - 100.5%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Thick Fat Mega Venusaur: 420-494 (116.9 - 137.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 336-396 (95.4 - 112.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Refrigerate Glalie Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 119-140 (36.8 - 43.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

That is one strong Explosion. Being able to 3HKO Heatran, which 4x resists Ice, is cool too.

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

my set for mega lopunny

Lopunny @ Loppunite
Ability: Cute Charm
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- High Jump Kick
- Return
- Healing Wish
- Encore

basically an offensive mon that has support capabilities. encore can find it and its teammates free turns, and healing wish allows it to heal up a teammate. obviously has perfect coverage.

 

[WebBowser]

the fact is that mega mence will likely have like base 130 Satk and will be able to fire off draco meteors and fire blasts that can dent those mons, and also eq with dd boost

Part of the reason why I listed Mega Aggron and Bronzong is that they have ways to get around that while still eating mences physical attacks (filter for the former and levitate vs heatproof 50/50s for the latter)......

If heat proof bronzong actually becomes a thing, I will be laughing so hard.

 

[silver97]

Part of the reason why I listed Mega Aggron and Bronzong is that they have ways to get around that while still eating mences physical attacks (filter for the former and levitate vs heatproof 50/50s for the latter)......

If heat proof bronzong actually becomes a thing, I will be laughing so hard.

yeah i understood the reasons of your pokemon listed, i was answering to apophis that was talking about m-steelix, registeel and regirock.
they are all difficult to fit in an OU team and if for example specially defensive registeel walls fire blast somehow, it gets a lot of damage from earthquake.
This thing is probably uncounterable, we have to deal with it

 

[G-Von]

I'm just curious, how many pokes would be a deadstop to this core:

Talonflame@Sharp Beak/whatever item really
EV's: 252 Attack/252 Spe/4 Def
Trait: Gale Wings
Adamant/Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Flare Blitz
-Roost
-U-turn/Will-o-Wisp/Swords Dance

Sceptile@Sceptilite
EV's: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Trait: Overgrow
Modest Nature
-Giga Drain
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast
-HP Ice

In theory there should be a fire type that does a good job against this core but I cannot think of one. As opposed to its currently more popular bulky sets, this Waka Flocka (Talon)Flame is more offensively oriented. I know some popular stops to it are Rotom-W, T-Tar, and Heatran but they get mauled by M-Sceptile while checks like Thundurus and Zapdos are SR weak and are weak to HP Ice. M-Sceptile gets stopped by Togekiss, M-Altaria, Aegislash, Snorlax, and the blobs, who all get rekt by Flame. So yea...wtf is stopping these two together aside from other duos?

 

[Rosen]

oh god is that what mega sceptile's sprite actually looks like

Also sdef Rotom H kinda stops that core cold but that mon sucks ass so no worries

Scarftran wrecks them both tho

 

[MilkyWay]

oh god is that what mega sceptile's sprite actually looks like

Also sdef Rotom H kinda stops that core cold but that mon sucks ass so no worries

Scarftran wrecks them both tho

Mega Sceptile outspeeds Scarftran, even with a Modest nature

 

[Jaguar360]

I'm just curious, how many pokes would be a deadstop to this core:

Talonflame@Sharp Beak/whatever item really
EV's: 252 Attack/252 Spe/4 Def
Trait: Gale Wings
Adamant/Jolly Nature
-Brave Bird
-Flare Blitz
-Roost
-U-turn/Will-o-Wisp/Swords Dance

Sceptile@Sceptilite
EV's: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Trait: Overgrow
Modest Nature
-Giga Drain
-Dragon Pulse
-Focus Blast
-HP Ice

In theory there should be a fire type that does a good job against this core but I cannot think of one. As opposed to its currently more popular bulky sets, this Waka Flocka (Talon)Flame is more offensively oriented. I know some popular stops to it are Rotom-W, T-Tar, and Heatran but they get mauled by M-Sceptile while checks like Thundurus and Zapdos are SR weak and are weak to HP Ice. M-Sceptile gets stopped by Togekiss, M-Altaria, Aegislash, Snorlax, and the blobs, who all get rekt by Flame. So yea...wtf is stopping these two together aside from other duos?

Why HP-Ice on Mega Sceptile? The only notable ice-weak Pokemon that take more from it than STAB Dragon Pulse are Landorus and Gliscor if I'm thinking right. Might as well put Substitute, Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire or Earthquake there.

EDIT: Forgot that Mega Altraria is also hit by HP Ice, though it's only a 3HKO wihtout SR.

 

[Rosen]

Mega Sceptile outspeeds Scarftran, even with a Modest nature

If it runs max speed, yeah, which you should never do as you outspeed little to no relevant threats besides other scarfers, and w/out any attack EVs you fail to ohko w/ eq, which is worse against other, more common Heatran variants

 

[Apophis]

yeah i understood the reasons of your pokemon listed, i was answering to apophis that was talking about m-steelix, registeel and regirock.
they are all difficult to fit in an OU team and if for example specially defensive registeel walls fire blast somehow, it gets a lot of damage from earthquake.
This thing is probably uncounterable, we have to deal with it

I listed them more as checks, but m-steelix does pretty much the same job a aggron, to a somewhat lesser extent. I also said they weren't viable.

Prankster then mega-evo sabeleye might be a great stop to it (can't be trapped, presuming great defense, recovery...), since it lacks priority and lum berry, as well as the obvious thunderus being a decent check.

We'll just have to wait and see how it turns out, it might not even get a speed boost (unlikely) which would allow it to be revenge killed by anything with a decent ice move (that outspeeds it obviously).

 

[Wargreymon]

I reeeeeeeeeally hope beedrill gets at least base 110 speed. It looks so cool and adaptability is great with U-turn. If it outspeeds the twins it might just get a rank in ou, albeit low, but still, that's a big jump. Bulk sucks so much though to the point where resisted hits would still be a concern. Isn't it +100 points for a mega? Because if so they have a lot of room there with just attack and speed. I trust them to make the right boosts. Definitely my favourite mega aesthetically.

Oh man I'm too excited for these new additions. The variety for the first few months is going to be so refreshing.

 

[MilkyWay]

If it runs max speed, yeah, which you should never do as you outspeed little to no relevant threats besides other scarfers, and w/out any attack EVs you fail to ohko w/ eq, which is worse against other, more common Heatran variants

I would say Mega Sceptile is better off running a speed boosting nature so it can check Mega Manectric well, otherwise it is destroyed by Hidden Power Ice. But youre right about timid scarftran outrunning modest mega sceptile, for whatever reason modest was the recommended spread for scarftran, my bad.

Also

0 Atk (base 110) Sceptile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 296-352 (91.6 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

 

[Rosen]

I would say Mega Sceptile is better off running a speed boosting nature so it can check Mega Manectric well, otherwise it is destroyed by Hidden Power Ice. But youre right about timid scarftran outrunning modest mega sceptile, for whatever reason modest was the recommended spread for scarftran, my bad.

Also

0 Atk (base 110) Sceptile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 296-352 (91.6 - 108.9%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

bruh check my sceptile post on page 3

 

[G-Von]

Why HP-Ice on Mega Sceptile? The only notable ice-weak Pokemon that take more from it than STAB Dragon Pulse are Landorus and Gliscor if I'm thinking right. Might as well put Substitute, Leaf Storm, Hidden Power Fire or Earthquake there.

EDIT: Forgot that Mega Altraria is also hit by HP Ice.

Aside from M-Altaria, HP Ice is also for Togekiss. I doubt the damage is significant but it's its best option against those two.

oh god is that what mega sceptile's sprite actually looks like

Also sdef Rotom H kinda stops that core cold but that mon sucks ass so no worries

Scarftran wrecks them both tho

lol I think it was a fan made sprite so no worries (yet).

Focus Blast also OHKO's ScarfTran after SR and is outsped if Heatran doesn't run timid which means Overheat would need a near max roll to OHKO Sceptile. Offensive Rotom-H also can't force out M-Sceptile because Overheat doesn't OHKO and Giga Drain+Focus Blast 2HKO's before SR rarely, but it is guaranteed after SR. Defensive Rotom-H has a 50% chance of being 2HKO'd by that very same combo, while SpDef Rotom-W has a near impossible chance of being 2HKO'd by Focus Miss but won't be able to take 3 attacks

Welp I just wasted my fucking time:
252+ SpA Sceptile Dragon Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Rotom-H: 114-135 (37.5 - 44.4%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

So yea after forgetting that M-Sceptile runs Dragon Pulse, Rotom-H can't handle it either.

 

[biggy330]

Sableye is looking like an amazing check to a lot of new threats such as mega menc metagross, then mega evolving for ferro ect. Also screws over lead lando t and mamo with the choice to burn or bounce the rocks, and with +def, it'll eat up all the eqs. Maybe the set could be
sableye@sableyeite
ability: prankster/ magic bounce
Evs:252 hp 252 def 4 atk
Bold
will-o-wisp
Recover
knock off
taunt
Knock of is for annoying chansy/conk/clef/slowbro/amoongus or something trying to eat the wisp

 

[Alfalfa]

Sableye is looking like an amazing check to a lot of new threats such as mega menc metagross, then mega evolving for ferro ect. Also screws over lead lando t and mamo with the choice to burn or bounce the rocks, and with +def, it'll eat up all the eqs. Maybe the set could be
sableye@sableyeite
ability: prankster/ magic bounce
Evs:252 hp 252 def 4 atk
Bold
will-o-wisp
Recover
knock off
taunt
Knock of is for annoying chansy/conk/clef/slowbro/amoongus or something trying to eat the wisp

Mega Sableye's lack of Prankster really hinders its capabilities as a defensive Pokemon, especially with the lack of Leftovers recovery. Unless Sableye gets good enough boosts to its defenses and Special Attack, it is probably not OU material.

 

[AM]

Mega Sableye's lack of Prankster really hinders its capabilities as a defensive Pokemon, especially with the lack of Leftovers recovery. Unless Sableye gets good enough boosts to its defenses and Special Attack, it is probably not OU material.

It's not something you have to just use right away. You can choose and pick the scenarios you want Magic Bounce in and as such cater your movesets more accordingly to regular, mega, or the use of both if that's what you're going for. Yeah I'll agree lack of Leftovers kind of sucks but it's not really the end of the world with that. Sableye is generally viable in OU already so it'll be cool to play the mindgames when running other potential megas.

 

[Taliheim]

Also, I should point out that the biggest reason to use Sableye is Prankster Will-o-Wisp, and since the MEvo can afford to run Recover instead of RestTalk, he has an extra slot open for use. A moveset of CM/WoW/Recover/[offensive move of choice] would allow Sableye to still be useful pre-MEvo, if needed.

 

[biggy330]

If anything it's going to stay in pre mega form a lot of the time, just not when you need some free sneaky pebbles or need a def boost for t flame and zard x, and please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like them mentioning a specific stat boost means its going up significantly. Of course i guess we can't say until we see

 

[AM]

If anything it's going to stay in pre mega form a lot of the time, just not when you need some free sneaky pebbles or need a def boost for t flame and zard x, and please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like them mentioning a specific stat boost means its going up significantly. Of course i guess we can't say until we see

Generally when they do mention such a boost it's usually at the very least a good +30 or more depending on the overall stat distribution. If everything gets a boost in the case of something like M-Camerupt it will usually be +10-+30 with 30 being the higher or more emphasized stat. Really just speculation but yeah that's usually how it works in most cases.

 

[WebBowser]

Sableye has a valid reason to run his megastone even if he plans on never using it, and that's trick immunity. Like other support mons, trick completely cripples sableye, and running a mega stone alleviates that.

In the past, nobody has considered sticking mail or some random mega stone on him because prankster taunt (and trick immunity alone is usually not a good enough reason to forgo lefties), but now that he has the option to trade prankster for better defense and magic bounce as well as have trick immunity, I think sable has a very strong reason to run his stone.