ORAS General Discussion - Mark 2 - Spoilers Inside

[boxofkangaroos]

618 Origin Pulse - Water Special, 85%, 110 BP, 10 PP
619 Precipice Blades - Ground Physical, 85%, 120 BP, 10 PP

Come on, they couldn't have given Primal Kyogre an equal signature move to Groudon's?

welp

 

[lats]

Come on, they couldn't have given Primal Kyogre an equal signature move to Groudon's?

welp

It hits both opponents in doubles (not sure if PB does). In singles it's basically a cooler animations Hydro Pump, I guess.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[*Trev*]

Come on, they couldn't have given Primal Kyogre an equal signature move to Groudon's?

welp

I do find that weird. They give kyogre the equivalent of a gen 6 water type fire blast (110 BP), while giving a physical ground type version of gen 1-5 fire blast (120 BP). Man, they just gave groudon every advantage over kyogre they could, huh?

 

[Valzy]

kyogre got a huge buff to its physical attack while groudon got a huge buff to its special attack.

kyogre has base 150 attack while groudon has base 150 spattk. they could easily run mixed and destroy any dedicated physical or special walls that switch in with a coverage move. the only pokemon that i could really see walling these 2 if they were to run mixed would be giratina-A.

I'm finding Mega Kyogre to be pretty underwhelming to be honest, Specs or Scarf seem superior to Primal. Groudon on the other hand, gets a new typing, and the boost to special attack lets it use Fire Blast or Solar Beam reliably. No water type weakness is a godsend for Groudon.

 

[boxofkangaroos]

It hits both opponents in doubles (not sure if PB does). In singles it's basically a cooler animations Hydro Pump, I guess.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Pretty sure Precipice Blades also hits all opponents as well. Silly GameFreak.

 

[Karxrida]

I do find that weird. They give kyogre the equivalent of a gen 6 water type fire blast (110 BP), while giving a physical ground type version of gen 1-5 fire blast (120 BP).. Man, they just gave groudon every advantage over kyogre they could, huh?

Too be fair, Kyogre has always been better than Groudon.

 

[EnGarde]

I'm finding Mega Kyogre to be pretty underwhelming to be honest, Specs or Scarf seem superior to Primal. Groudon on the other hand, gets a new typing, and the boost to special attack lets it use Fire Blast or Solar Beam reliably. No water type weakness is a godsend for Groudon.

Doesn't strong rain and strong sun negate the opposite type moves? Rain means no fire attacks, period, and sun means no water attacks, period. I thought I saw that somewhere, at least...(could be wrong).

EDIT: Link: http://www.serebii.net/games/weather.shtml

Looks like groudon has the advantage, with dual typing.

 

[*Trev*]

Too be fair, Kyogre has always been better than Groudon.

True. I guess it's groudon's time to shine (well it was until Mega rayquaza was revealed. That's gonna fuck up everything).

 

[Stellar]

Level up moves are out! Notable additions: Crunch Gyarados, HJK Lopunny, etc.

 

[lats]

I guess it's just more Gamefreak fire-type favoritism, then.

Level up moves are out! Notable additions: Crunch Gyarados, HJK Lopunny, etc.

CRUNCH GYARADOS THE MOMENT IS HERE OMG!

 

[Valmanway]

Level up moves are out! Notable additions: Crunch Gyarados, HJK Lopunny, etc.

About god damn time, man.

 

[Valzy]

Doesn't strong rain and strong sun negate the opposite type moves? Rain means no fire attacks, period, and sun means no water attacks, period. I thought I saw that somewhere, at least...(could be wrong).

Kyogre already resists fire-type moves

 

[TheTraininator]

About M-Hoopa, perhaps the +80 stat increase and Magician seem to indicate that this Mega may not actually require a Mega Stone (to hold).

I mean, it makes sense.

Wait a second... haven't they not been able to find Hoopanite in the code?

...Oh shit.

 

[rufus drumknott]

Gyarados finally got Crunch and Lopunny's confirmed to have HJK, God bless. Loving the shiny forms too, oh wow.

 

[boxofkangaroos]

Altaria now has Disarming Voice, watch out

#newmeta

 

[EnGarde]

Nah, I'm watching the chat. Apparently hoopa has a different forme, because it has a level up move distinct from regular hoopa.

EDIT: Redacting this: apparently there isn't enough data to tell for sure.

 

[mcp3]

Gyarados finally got Crunch and Lopunny's confirmed to have HJK, God bless. Loving the shiny forms too, oh wow.

Where can we find this info???!

 

[XDPokemon]

M hoppa? Picture?

 

[Age of Kings]

http://pastebin.com/16baa7Yk

Level up move data for all Pokemon leaked

EDIT: Sceptile gets Quick Guard now, Sableye gets Quash, Gallade gets Wide/Quick Guard, Crunch Gyarados, Coil Milotic

 

[Wishy]

I do find that weird. They give kyogre the equivalent of a gen 6 water type fire blast (110 BP), while giving a physical ground type version of gen 1-5 fire blast (120 BP). Man, they just gave groudon every advantage over kyogre they could, huh?

Groudon's attack can't hit levitating Pokemon so they gave it more BP? Can't imagine any other reason why.

 

[lats]

M hoppa? Picture?

Seems unlikely at the moment, a form change seems probable.

 

[TheTraininator]

Nah, I'm watching the chat. Apparently hoopa has a different forme, because it has a level up move distinct from regular hoopa.

So what you are saying is this thing can hold a Choice Scarf?

Banned to Super Ubers.

 

[Valzy]

http://pastebin.com/16baa7Yk

Level up move data for all Pokemon leaked

Why couldn't they give us move tutors first? Those seem more important than a few level up changes

 

[boxofkangaroos]

Poison Fang Sharpedo confirmed! Learns it at level 34. Now just hoping for Fire Fang. *smirks*

 

[RandomBro]

I'm finding Mega Kyogre to be pretty underwhelming to be honest, Specs or Scarf seem superior to Primal. Groudon on the other hand, gets a new typing, and the boost to special attack lets it use Fire Blast or Solar Beam reliably. No water type weakness is a godsend for Groudon.

out of the 2, groudon does seem to be better to me, but that is merely my opinion. kyogre isnt going to take a precipice blade on the switch very well. kyogre does learn earthquake though and can use it to make use of its base 150 attack in order to hit primal groudon on the switch.

precipice blade from groudon would still probably do more to kyogre than an earthquake from kyogre would do to primal groudon though. these 2 could defeat each other based on how they are used.

i can see primal kyogre not being walled by palkia unlike specs or scarf since its gains added special bulk to take thunders and now can reliably run physical moves to bypass palkias special defense.