Other ORAS Mega Speculation Thread (NO talk about potential bans NOR Aegislash)

[MrStallion]

Mega Sceptile set
Hasty
Leaf storm
Dragon pulse
HP Fire
Low Kick

I don't have EQ slashed because it's really only for Heatran who isn't really M-Sceptiles problem anymore as fire isn't super effective with its dragon typing. This allows you to still 2HKO Heatran (Who would usually be 2HKO'd by EQ anyways without investment) along with OHKO'ing Tyrannitar and Bisharp while Manectric is OHKO'd by Leaf Storm. You also don't have to worry about air balloon shenanigans. Also Low Kick over Focus Blast because they do the same thing against who you use it on

 

[Josh Morales]

CM M Slowbro is like CM Suicune but with 5 less HP, 35 less Sp Def, more weaknesses, and no Lefties. Not as scary as it seems on paper.

Much more Def and SpA, inability to be crited

Maybe it is overhyped but I imagine it'll still be very good.

Manetric has 135, sceptile has 145

He said you would outspeed MMane and not MLop, I was saying MMane and MLop have the same speed, which they do, thus that statement makes no sense.

 

[Kurona]

Right, sorry, dunno where I got the outspeeding mega man thing came from
Anyway run naive and then you only need to run 176 Speed IVs to outsped man/bunny; max special attack and rest in attack I guess

 

[SilverPT]

CM Clefable beats it, regardless of Unaware or Magic Guard. 28 SA EVs gives Clefable enough Special Attack for Moonblast to 3HKO 62% of the time meaning it can usually win a Calm Mind war. Life Orb MG Clef can easily 3HKO with no investment.

Actually Magic Guard Clefable doesn't beat Mega Bro that easily. The most optimal set is Scald, Ice Beam/Psyshock, Calm Mind and Slack Off imo. And with those last two moves Mega Bro will definitely stall you and setup.

LO Thundurus does 75% min to +1 Slowbro (with a chance of OHKO after Stealth Rock) and can 3HKO even if it is at +5. Non-LO Thunderbolt still does around 65% on average while it survives +1 Scald. Switching in on a +0 Scald and getting burned is pretty much the end of Thundurus though.

It's a special oriented mon... still can't get in on a +1 Mega Bro with Ice Beam.

Sub CM Keldeo's Subs can survive a Scald and at +6 3HKOs with Secret Sword. Switching on a Scald burn is death unfortunately.

Can't really do nothing against Psyshock.

Zapdos does 47.7 - 56.8% with Tbolt, a guaranteed 2HKO with the standard 68 SA EVs or simply Stealth Rocks. +1 Scald can't OHKO even with Stealth Rocks and a burn.

Takes around 46.3 - 54.6% from unboosted Ice Beam.

Magnezone easily 2HKOs. Specs OHKOs even after it Calm Minds.

Special oriented mon, again.

Sub Gyarados sets up on it and easily 2HKOs with Crunch at +1 and 3HKOs at +0. Scald does not break a Sub even at +1.

Both Ice Beam and Psyshock break Sub.

Specs Gothitelle does about as much damage as Mega Venusaur (as mentioned prior, beats it even if it CMs on the switch in, CMs after a hit, Rests, then Sleep Talk picks Calm Mind twice). Unlike the others it doesn't give a shit if it gets burned on a switch in because then it can just use Thunderbolt on +0 cune and take 80% off minimum. While Suicune can't even 2HKO unless it gets a burn on the first hit.

Special oriented mon, again.

Gardevoir easily 2HKOs +1 Slowbro. Scald actually does a fair amount to Gardevoir though so if it takes a Scald on the switch in it will be unable to beat Slowbro on the second switch.

Special oriented mon, again.

Charizard Y easily 2HKOs +1 M Slowbro with Solarbeam and tanks a +1 Scald easily enough.

Special oriented mon, again.

LO Breloom can OHKO after Rocks with 4 hit Bullet Seed, or KO with a 3 hit + a 3 hit after being burned. It can also play Sleep Talk mind games with Spore.

LO Breloom has to hope to get 4/5 hits and not get reduce to his Focus Sash with Ice Beam/Psyshock.

Lum Berry DD Dragonite 2HKOs Slowbro at +2 and has a pretty low chance of getting double burned.

0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 216 HP / 228 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 132-156 (35 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

This is what Mega Slowbro does with a bulky Dragonite.

Gengar 2HKOs with 148 EV Black Sludge Shadow Ball and survives a +1 Scald. With Life Orb and Stealth Rocks Slowbro will walk away with at max 18% of its HP remaining.

Gengar has to be LO max Spe Atk to straight up OHKO, otherwise will get hit by a potencial Psyshock.

CM Latias / Latios both easily break it in a Calm Mind war regardless of what Lati@s EVs are. Mega Lati@s also win.

Special oriented mon, again.

M Altaria can run a bulky DD / Roost / Heal Bell set and basically not give a shit.

0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Altaria: 228-272 (64.4 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

M Sceptile 2HKOs with Giga Drain, OHKOs with Leaf Storm, and can win with SD Leaf Blade, sometimes even if it gets burned!

Special oriented mon, again.

AV Raikou and Mega Manectric both rip into +1 Slowbro.

Special oriented mons, again.

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I don't know why you adopted a Sleep Talk set as the most optimal, but the point is, nobody said Mega Slowbro was unstoppable. Mega Slowbro is one heck of a physical wall, period. It surely can compensate the lack of investment in Spe Def with Calm Mind but specially oriented mons will still reck him. That's what people said here. The only physical mon in OU that can hope to OHKO Mega Slowbro is Breloom and has to be LO and hit 5 times Bullet Seed. That is worth something, right?

 

[Yamborski]

Modest Mega Sceptile has 389 speed while Timid Mega Manectric has 405.


You also can't beat it with Psyshock or Secret Sword since it resists both and has a stupidly high defense stat. It's pretty much guaranteed to win CM Wars since you can't crit it.

Yes you can since you only need to 3HKO it and don't even need to overpower Lefties.


CM Clefable 3HKOs with Moonblast about half the time if it runs like 16 EVs. With Magic Guard it only fears a burn, with Unaware it doesn't really give a shit especially if it has Heal Bell.
CM Landorus obviously dies to Scald (Though it usually lives at +0) but does around 70% with Earth Power.
CM Suicune loses eventually I guess.

What else even run CM in OU that Slowbro would have to have a CM war with? Sub CM Keldeo / CM M Alakazam / CM M Gardevoir / CM Sylveon are all rare but easily win 1v1. M Alakazam even traces Slowbro's crit immunity so you can't even hax through it.

I don't think anything even runs CM Psyshock anymore except non Cro CM Slowbro and CM Latias. CM Latias easily 3HKOs with Dragon Pulse and non-Cro Slowbro is probably dicked regardless.

Anyway if you lose to M Slowbro because your best shot at beating Slowbro is CMing and hoping for a crit with Psyshock or Secret Sword than you probably need to revamp your team.

Actually Magic Guard Clefable doesn't beat Mega Bro that easily. The most optimal set is Scald, Ice Beam/Psyshock, Calm Mind and Slack Off imo. And with those last two moves Mega Bro will definitely stall you and setup.



It's a special oriented mon... still can't get in on a +1 Mega Bro with Ice Beam.



Can't really do nothing against Psyshock.



Takes around 46.3 - 54.6% from unboosted Ice Beam.



Special oriented mon, again.



Both Ice Beam and Psyshock break Sub.



Special oriented mon, again.



Special oriented mon, again.



Special oriented mon, again.



LO Breloom has to hope to get 4/5 hits and not get reduce to his Focus Sash with Ice Beam/Psyshock.



0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 216 HP / 228 SpD Multiscale Dragonite: 132-156 (35 - 41.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

This is what Mega Slowbro does with a bulky Dragonite.



Gengar has to be LO max Spe Atk to straight up OHKO, otherwise will get hit by a potencial Psyshock.



Special oriented mon, again.



0 SpA Slowbro Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Altaria: 228-272 (64.4 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO



Special oriented mon, again.



Special oriented mons, again.

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I don't know why you adopted a Sleep Talk set as the most optimal, but the point is, nobody said Mega Slowbro was unstoppable. Mega Slowbro is one heck of a physical wall, period. It surely can compensate the lack of investment in Spe Def with Calm Mind but specially oriented mons will still reck him. That's what people said here. The only physical mon in OU that can hope to OHKO Mega Slowbro is Breloom and has to be LO and hit 5 times Bullet Seed. That is worth something, right?

Did you even read any part of my post. I said Crobro is overrated because all of those things beat it, and that most likely the better set would just be a standard Slack Off wall with or without Calm Mind.

Edit: also what kind of idiotic logic is replying to M Slowbro counters with "special orientated mon". No shit you use special orientated mons to beat it, it has 95 / 180 / 80 defenses.

 

[MrStallion]

I need you guys to help fill in some blanks on this set
Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 200 Atk / 4 Def / 52 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Meteor Mash/Iron Head
- Grass Knot
- idk yet (Ice punch maybe)
- idk yet

The 52 SpAtk EV's allow you to (Let me define this one) 2HKO 252HP/4SpDef M-Slowbro with Grassknot after rocks 81.25% of the time IF your first hit is against nuetral M-Slowbro and the 2nd hit is against +1 M-Slowbro. This is important since if you don't 2HKO it, it will recover and your grass knots will be out of 2HKO range once it is at +1 so the 52 EV's are needed to consistantly not get set up on. The 4 Def EV's are really just because they make a slight difference like turning Dragonites or base 134 equivalants OHKO with earthquake at +1 from 50% to 43% and the 4 EV's weren't changing any damage roles in attack or Special attack.

 

[I AM THE JAMAICAN BOBSLED TEAM]

Gallade (M) @ Galladite
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Swords Dance
- Encore
- Close Combat
- Stone Edge

this set is an attempt at stall breaker mega gallade. the idea is you lock your opponent into a non damaging move(stealth rock, spikes, wish, heal bell, cm, bulk up, defog/rapid spin, recovery moves)and then use it to find a free SD. cc+stone edge is the tried-and-true coverage possessed by terrakion, so it is used here. it can even stop mega bro to a small extent, but i wouldn't use it for that purpose. its a stall breaker, first and foremost, and i think it will be a good one at that.

 

[Kurona]

Would Shadow Sneak be viable on M-Gallade at all? I remember it being hyped up quite a bit but all the sets I've seen here - maybe I've missed some - go for full-on powerful attacks and status

 

[Flamebot]

CroBro is over rated, but it still seems like a very viable set.

Perhaps it will just need to run some special defence investmen.

Anyways, I'm excited to try this thing out. I really like Slowbro.

 

[Yamborski]

i realized that misty terrain completly shuts down mega slowbro's cm rest talk set. any bulky special defender can force switch or basically kill it.
First turn toxic them second turn terrain and that will prevent them from using rest and force them to take the toxic while your appliying pressure expecially if your poke has a healing move then basically win.
best pokes to do this? sylvion clefabe expecially mega audino and florges

Sylv / Clef / Florges can just run Calm Mind and win that way while not having to run a move useless against 95% of other Pokemon. I mean I guess you can run it on Audino since it's terrible anyway you won't be losing much by running a useless move on what is probably a useless mon..

 

[Kurona]

So a theoretical mixed Mega Sceptile only needs 176 Speed EVs to outrun base 135+s. Would the remaining EVs be suggested as 252 Sp. Atk/82 Attack?

 

[MrStallion]

So a theoretical mixed Mega Sceptile only needs 176 Speed EVs to outrun base 135+s. Would the remaining EVs be suggested as 252 Sp. Atk/82 Attack?

Make sure you outrun adamant Scarf Lando-T

 

[SilverPT]

Did you even read any part of my post. I said Crobro is overrated because all of those things beat it, and that most likely the better set would just be a standard Slack Off wall with or without Calm Mind.

>better set would be standard Slack Off
>uses Sleep Talk, cutting any chance of using Ice Beam/Psyshock

Anyway, what you did was presenting us with special mons and say "this is the reason why Mega Slowbro is shit". Overrated? This is one of the best freaking physical walls in the game. It's something to be reckoned with.

Edit: also what kind of idiotic logic is replying to M Slowbro counters with "special orientated mon". No shit you use special orientated mons to beat it, it has 95 / 180 / 80 defenses.

Wait, what did you expected? Mega Slowbro has 80 Spe Def, it's fucking obvious that any electric/grass move coming from a beast is going to have little to no problems killing it. This is why basically nobody mentioned special mons while talking about Mega Slowbro. Every mon has it's counters/checks, even if it only counters/checks one set, Mega Slowbro is no expection.

If you're afraid that I didn't read any part of your post (curiously I quoted more than half and talked about it, but yeah), I'm also afraid that you didn't read that last part on mine. Not really trying to argue with you, but you really missed the point of my post by ignoring that last part.

 

[Rosen]

So a theoretical mixed Mega Sceptile only needs 176 Speed EVs to outrun base 135+s. Would the remaining EVs be suggested as 252 Sp. Atk/82 Attack?

136 Atk / 196 SAtk / 176 Spe

that way you ohko sdef tran w eq

although if running hp fire you need 136 Atk / 192 SAtk / 180 Spe bc the iv drop in speed

 

[kiloments]

DD is honestly better than the hypothetical CM tank, given the much greater power of Altaria's physical moves (Double Edge, Facade, Return vs Hyper Voice).

That is true, and fire blast is a decent way rid M-Altaria of many pesky physically defensive steel types like ferrothorn and skarmory with a possible OHKO on ferro and a guaranteed 2HKO on skarm even with only 4evs investment

 

[Puretrainer]

>better set would be standard Slack Off
>uses Sleep Talk, cutting any chance of using Ice Beam/Psyshock

Anyway, what you did was presenting us with special mons and say "this is the reason why Mega Slowbro is shit". Overrated? This is one of the best freaking physical walls in the game. It's something to be reckoned with.



Wait, what did you expected? Mega Slowbro has 80 Spe Def, it's fucking obvious that any electric/grass move coming from a beast is going to have little to no problems killing it. This is why basically nobody mentioned special mons while talking about Mega Slowbro. Every mon has it's counters/checks, even if it only counters/checks one set, Mega Slowbro is no expection.

If you're afraid that I didn't read any part of your post (curiously I quoted more than half and talked about it, but yeah), I'm also afraid that you didn't read that last part on mine. Not really trying to argue with you, but you really missed the point of my post by ignoring that last part.

he made it clear he was talking about cro-slowbro. he said it right there is his first post at the very beginning. a lot of people have been saying how unstoppable crobro will be and some are even calling to quickban it. his post pointed out how it is very much stoppable even with common things used in OU today.

never once did he say slowbro was shit.

 

[MrStallion]

So a theoretical mixed Mega Sceptile only needs 176 Speed EVs to outrun base 135+s. Would the remaining EVs be suggested as 252 Sp. Atk/82 Attack?

I would prefer Hasty max speed to speed tie against mirror matches but if not then I would want to atleast out speed Adamant Lando-T and M-Sceptile doesn't need any attack EV's to OHKO M-Tyrannitar, 2HKO Heatran (Who is not a main threat since it's fire isn't super effective) and also OHKO Bisharp. To out speed adamant scarf lando-T you would run 236 EV's if you are with HP Fire

 

[Rosen]

I would prefer Hasty max speed to speed tie against mirror matches but if not then I would want to atleast out speed Adamant Lando-T and M-Sceptile doesn't need any attack EV's to OHKO M-Tyrannitar, 2HKO Heatran (Who is not a main threat since it's fire isn't super effective) and also OHKO Bisharp. To out speed adamant scarf lando-T you would run 236 EV's if you are with HP Fire

no offense friendo but that's kinda bad

all scarf landos are jolly. neutral lava plume from tran is going to tear right through those 70/85 defenses. scarf heatran often run hp ice. do not stay in on bisharp unless you want to be nearly ohkod by sucker punch. you can no extra kos by maxing out satk and outspeed nothing relevant w max+ speed

although if you want hasty over naive then sure that's fine i guess

 

[Kurona]

no offense friendo but that's kinda bad

all scarf landos are jolly. neutral lava plume from tran is going to tear right through those 70/85 defenses. scarf heatran often run hp ice. do not stay in on bisharp unless you want to be nearly ohkod by sucker punch. you can no extra kos by maxing out satk and outspeed nothing relevant w max+ speed

although if you want hasty over naive then sure that's fine i guess

Must say I've gotta agree with you here; your spread is kinda making the most sense and since I'm not running HP ice not particularly interested in whether or not I outspeed scarf lando. Thanks m8

 

[MrStallion]

no offense friendo but that's kinda bad

all scarf landos are jolly. neutral lava plume from tran is going to tear right through those 70/85 defenses. scarf heatran often run hp ice. do not stay in on bisharp unless you want to be nearly ohkod by sucker punch. you can no extra kos by maxing out satk and outspeed nothing relevant w max+ speed

although if you want hasty over naive then sure that's fine i guess

Not all scarf Landos are jolly. Low Kick M-Sceptile beats Bisharp 1v1, ttar 1v1 and heatran 1v1. EQ M-Sceptile only beats heatran 1v1 and uses EQ on no one else. There isn't a reason to run EQ considering EQ doesn't even OHKO defensive Heatran and is useless on everything else. Also you need 136 EV's to do that. 136 EV's that can be used into buffing your Special attack and before you say you won't outspeed anything relevant atleast know the potential speed tiers of ORAS. Max speed allows you to also outrun bulky DD Zard X at +1 and KO it with dragon pulse, mirror matches against M-Sceptile and then a potential M-Beedrill

And HP Ice isn't needed to beat scarf Lando-T
252 SpA Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 277-327 (86.8 - 102.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[Rosen]

Not all scarf Landos are jolly. Low Kick M-Sceptile beats Bisharp 1v1, ttar 1v1 and heatran 1v1. EQ M-Sceptile only beats heatran 1v1 and uses EQ on no one else. There isn't a reason to run EQ considering EQ doesn't even OHKO defensive Heatran and is useless on everything else. Also you need 136 EV's to do that. 136 EV's that can be used into buffing your Special attack and before you say you won't outspeed anything relevant atleast know the potential speed tiers of ORAS. Max speed allows you to also outrun bulky DD Zard X at +1 and KO it with dragon pulse, mirror matches against M-Sceptile and then a potential M-Beedrill

after sr, yes eq does

pls for the love of god do not try to revenge zard x @ +1 with sceptile, you often can't tell and more oft than not you gon have a dead sceptile

bisharp will shred yo asshole w sucker punch, do not stay in... ever

also for ttar ya got leaf storm

 

[Kurona]

Not all scarf Landos are jolly. Low Kick M-Sceptile beats Bisharp 1v1, ttar 1v1 and heatran 1v1. EQ M-Sceptile only beats heatran 1v1 and uses EQ on no one else. There isn't a reason to run EQ considering EQ doesn't even OHKO defensive Heatran and is useless on everything else. Also you need 136 EV's to do that. 136 EV's that can be used into buffing your Special attack and before you say you won't outspeed anything relevant atleast know the potential speed tiers of ORAS. Max speed allows you to also outrun bulky DD Zard X at +1 and KO it with dragon pulse, mirror matches against M-Sceptile and then a potential M-Beedrill

And HP Ice isn't needed to beat scarf Lando-T
252 SpA Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 277-327 (86.8 - 102.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Personally I kinda wouldn't be caring about mega beedrill since first it's unlikely to get used by many serious players over other megas and second why would I stay in with a grass type against something with 150 attack adaptability poison moves

 

[MrStallion]

after sr, yes eq does

pls for the love of god do not try to revenge zard x @ +1 with sceptile, you often can't tell and more oft than not you gon have a dead sceptile

bisharp will shred yo asshole w sucker punch, do not stay in... ever

also for ttar ya got leaf storm

You can tell if it's bulky just based on how much damage you do. M-Sceptile beats Bisharp 1v1 with low kick or you can let it set up and sweep your team by running EQ. And for ttar my spread vs your spread

My spread
0 Atk Sceptile Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 344-408 (100.8 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Your spread

196 SpA Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 296-350 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

And ttar can OHKOback with either ice punch or ice beam

And nice OHKO after stealth rocks on physically defensive tran

136 Atk Sceptile Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 140 Def Heatran: 296-352 (76.6 - 91.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

 

[MrStallion]

Personally I kinda wouldn't be caring about mega beedrill since first it's unlikely to get used by many serious players over other megas and second why would I stay in with a grass type against something with 150 attack adaptability poison moves

If you don't care about speed ties, or anything else and really just want to OHKO Heatran then kudos to you. It's your team so do what you want.

 

[Rosen]

You can tell if it's bulky just based on how much damage you do. M-Sceptile beats Bisharp 1v1 with low kick or you can let it set up and sweep your team by running EQ. And for ttar my spread vs your spread

My spread
0 Atk Sceptile Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tyranitar: 344-408 (100.8 - 119.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Your spread

196 SpA Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 296-350 (86.8 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

And ttar can OHKOback with either ice punch or ice beam

if it's setting up

and hasn't attacked you... yeah

speed ties are a shitastic goal to aim for

do you not realize

how much damage sucker punch does to sceptile

also

if you really think eq is that useless

just max out satk

and use focus blast

we done