Gen 6 Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire Mega Evo discussion

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Thugly Duckling said:
I honestly think Wobbuffet will be on every team as a 'fix-it' for PDon.
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Wobb doesn't even consistently stop P Don. It can't switch into Precipice since it is 2HKOed, and even if it gets in against P Don for free it has to predict if Don is going to attack with a physical move, attack with a special move, or set up. Defensive P Don may end up running stuff like Toxic or Roar too so I don't see Wobb being a more than gimmicky P Don solution, although its use may rise for other reasons.

As for Choice Ogre in ORAS I see no reason why it won't be used, although granted its use may decrease. P Don's existence is a stupid reason to say that choice Ogre won't be used; P Don stops Kyogre less consistently than Palkia and even in a meta where Palkia was insanely common Kyogre was still great. The only thing that P Don has over Palkia in attempting to check choice Ogre is the fact that giving P Don a free turn can be more damaging than giving Palkia a free turn, but remember that Palkia is by no means weak either. P Don unlike Palkia can be outright beat by choice Ogre, and teams that only have P Don as their Ogre check are going to get smashed because they either risk having a crucial mon sacked or switch in P Don to be met with HP Ground. If anything P Don could mean that predictions against Kyogre for offensive teams will become even more important.

The assumption that Choice Ogre will only be viable with a Tag user is something I don't understand and find ridiculous considering how much more there is still to learn in ORAS. I have seen Tag used effectively in ORAS, but no Tag user can consistently trap the things that people are currently using to check choice Ogre except perhaps Lugia. HO has gotten a huge buff and teams naturally seem more inclined to find offense checks for mons rather than defensive ones because defensive checks range from limited to nonexistent. This means that teams in general (if they shift to a more offensive style) will be less impacted by Tag because defensive trapping mons will be unable to wall while Mega Gengar will be more concerned with forcing trades. I still think Mega Gengar will be effective in ORAS even though we have many other great megas to play with. Teams that are currently using CM / Support Groundceus to check P Don can be threatened with Gothitelle, although with teams in general becoming more offensive it may struggle to find exploitable mons on the opposing team.
 
I almost didn't read Minority Suspects message, it looks long at least on my phone.

Those cosplay Pikachu seem good for battles but not competetigley. Anyone else agree? Oh yeah Mega Rayquaza looks op too specifically since deflates Kyogre and Groundon's
 
So here's what I've found to be the best Kyogre set

Kyogre @ Blue Orb
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Scary Face

Scald and ice beam are self explanatory since they are your two STABs and everyone runs them anyways. Now why Hidden power grass you may ask? This is to hit the Primal Groudon for super effective damage even if the sun is up so you always have the option to win. It also stops Gastrodon, Seismitoad, Vaporeon and the countless others with Water Absorb from stopping you. It is also your best attack against your main counter Palkia. Also as you can tell this set isn't running any speed so to prevent it from getting outsped as well as a way to check Xerneas you have Scary Face to reduce the opponents speed by 2 stages.
 
NumberC39:TheRagingDemon said:
So here's what I've found to be the best Kyogre set

Kyogre @ Blue Orb
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Scary Face

Scald and ice beam are self explanatory since they are your two STABs and everyone runs them anyways. Now why Hidden power grass you may ask? This is to hit the Primal Groudon for super effective damage even if the sun is up so you always have the option to win. It also stops Gastrodon, Seismitoad, Vaporeon and the countless others with Water Absorb from stopping you. It is also your best attack against your main counter Palkia. Also as you can tell this set isn't running any speed so to prevent it from getting outsped as well as a way to check Xerneas you have Scary Face to reduce the opponents speed by 2 stages.
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A few issues I noticed:
1) Kyogre-P is a pure Water type so it doesn't get the STAB boost from Ice Beam
2) Groudon-P is part Fire type so HP Grass does neutral damage to it. Use HP Ground so you can 2HKO it.
3) No Thunder or Surf.
 
Edgar said:
There's only going to be 3 REALLY GOOD mons in ORAS, Primal Donny, Mega Mence (is life) and Mega Ray, everything else is an inferior being.
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Who would have thought that ORAS would have made Geoxern a lesser offensive threat? o_o
Stallion said:
Is there a reason to not run Primal Groudon on a team aside from trying to be different? It's literally that good.
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Actually there is one...
Not running it means you can run regular groudon, which is a much better ekiller check (and still packin dem stealth rocks)
Not a great reason but not an invalid one either.
 
Fireburn said:
I know this isn't a Mega Evo but Game Freak confirmed on their website that Blaziken can now learn Ice Punch. This is a nice pickup since it slays Mega Salamence (who otherwise checks Blaziken pretty well) and does a bit more to Tina-O than Knock Off while wrecking poor Gliscor and Landorus-T.

You know, just in case you thought Blaziken was gonna be irrelevant in ORAS or something.
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It's not on the tutor list, though, so it's better not to draw any direct conclusions.
 
Ice Punch Blaziken will probably be a levelup move, since it's his one source of movepool that wasn't uncovered in the demo due to being snipped. This wouldn't be the first time something is available by levelup and not by tutor (Scyther's Vacuum Wave).
 
And waste the opportunity to wreck sh1t?
But we're digressing.

Have someone found a use to Mega-Altaria? NVM too low base stats for ubers standard.
 
ChaosNemesis said:
And waste the opportunity to wreck sh1t?
But we're digressing.

Have someone found a use to Mega-Altaria? NVM too low base stats for ubers standard.
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Mega Altaria checks a bunch of stuff like Zekrom, Palkia, Yveltal (?), Blaziken unless Ice Punch I guess. Cool typing for Ubers at very least.
 
I do agree that Mega Altaria's typing is pretty cool, but i don't see how Mega Altaria will fit in the way the ORAS metagame is being shaped, by this i mean that ORAS looks like it will be a very offense oriented metagame and there are quite a few things that outclass Mega Altaria as an attacker or sweeper in Ubers, if the metagame was more stall oriented then Mega Altaria would be a pretty good pokemon to use in my opinion, but i guess we have to wait and see.
 
Building has been a pain in ORAS because I want all of the following on an offensive team:

Offensive SR setter
Anti-lead for Sticky Web
Geo Xern check(s)
Scarf Xern check
EKiller check(s)
Physical Groundceus check
Special Groundceus check (Gira-O does not check this well at all)
Primal Groudon check(s) (SD, RP, DD, special)
Mega Rayquaza check(s) (SD and DD)
Mega Mence check(s) (DD)
Primal Kyogre and Choice Kyogre check(s) (Primal Groudon alone is unacceptable)
Mewtwo check(s)
At least one ground immunity if not more
Offensive Fairy
Offensive Dark or Ghost
Offensive Ground
Darkrai switch-in
Stallbreaker
Emergency Cleric or Status Absorber(s)
Priority

I don't know how you are supposed to get all of these things on a offense team, and so far it has felt like I have to trade being good against one threat for being weak against the other; even more so than how hyper offense is in XY. I tried building with balance too, but again there seems to be too many threats. Virtually nothing can switch into Mega Rayquaza, and the things that can switch in can't do enough back; max speed defensive Arceus-Fairy is the best thing I can find for Mega Rayquaza on a more defensive team, however it can still loose. Stuff like Bronzong is at the mercy of coverage and can't do much back while Lugia can loose if SR is up or has chip damage. Physical spam is also a pain and renders things like Gira-O useless; even mons like defensive Yveltal can just be OHKOed (Mega Mence, Mega Ray, SD P Don all go right through it) or chip damaged to a point where they will fail to check what they need to. The answer isn't as simple as run more physical checks because then you loose to other stuff. Either there are some magical defensive ways to check these things that I am unaware of or we are going to have to check these threats offensively.

Has anyone found solutions to these problems yet?
 
Flygon resists all 3 of Primal Don's moves (Ground misses with Levitate, Fire and Rock outright resisted due to typing)

and learns Earth Power, Defog and Roost.

Discuss. Is it viable?
 
DoubleOD said:
Flygon resists all 3 of Primal Don's moves (Ground misses with Levitate, Fire and Rock outright resisted due to typing)

and learns Earth Power, Defog and Roost.

Discuss. Is it viable?
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no

edit: to avoid having the post deleted, i'll explain why.

horrible offenses, worse defenses, and only decent speed. in other words, it dies to pretty much every uber out there and fails to leave more than a dent against the majority of them.
 
DoubleOD said:
Flygon resists all 3 of Primal Don's moves (Ground misses with Levitate, Fire and Rock outright resisted due to typing)

and learns Earth Power, Defog and Roost.

Discuss. Is it viable?
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it gets bopped by dragon claw
 
also, (bear with me here as i am not very familiar with ubers sets/which ones are most common and the like), how does mega sceptile appear to be shaping up? good offenses, fantastic speed, and great coverage against a good portion of the tier. i think. at least, it ohkos ground arceus, support groudon, and specs kyogre with a modest leaf storm, which it can afford to run due to its rediculous speed tier. also ohkos zekrom with dpulse, and can make tricky switches against choiced zekroms thanks to lightningrod. also ohkos what i *think* is standard palkia after sr with dpulse, and has an 81% to ohko offensive dialga with focus miss provided it doesn't live up to its nickname. albeit it loses to a bunch of other stuff, namely, aegislash, ho-oh, and xerneas, as well as mega mewtwo 1v1 (provided it didn't get a sub up). i'm probably missing a bunch of stuff due to lack of familiarity with the tier, but hey, that's why i'm asking.
 
Mega Sceptile has massive opportunity cost since it uses a mega. With massive ground spam in ORAS right now, being able to take electric moves from Zekrom isn't really a selling point, and even still it's a poor Zekrom solution. Mega Sceptile also offers little defensive synergy to a team in a meta where it is hard to check all these new (and old) big threats. Maybe some player down the road will find a niche for it but right now I don't really see a reason to use it.
 
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