Somewhat related to this question, what I want to ask is, there were a couple of instances in the smogon forums where people where ditching water stab in favor for something else like gyarados in this case. In the sharpedo analysis over at the Sixth gen analyses forums, waterfall was considered not a good option either.
Referring to the sharpedo analysis, it's still in WIP and not everything is finalized. But think about it - what is hit by waterfall that isn't hit harder by crunch, EQ, or Ice Fang?
Bulky ground and rock types that won't die to eq? Like Rhyperior for example. also hippo, rotom-h, bulky tyranitar.
You're both right, but I really don't know what's the best coverage for sharpedo, honestly haven't used it much. Just wanted to bring up the point.
according to what antar said in the thread, they should both be moving up to OU next month.
Everybody has told you that Earthquake is better, and they've given valid examples. Hell, I'd rather run Iron Tail or Steel Wing. BB doesn't offer significant coverage and is slightly weaker than Earthquake. Mega Scizor listed a STELLAR set, and the classic
Its not that waterfall is not good, because it is. Gyarados can run many moves/ sets, and this is just one of those sets. I just chose to run mono crunch because dark is a really good attacking type and eq gives it pretty good coverage against what crunch doesnt hit hard enough, with exceptions of course. All while retaining the Mold breaker taunt to setup on sableye stall.
That was so yesterday.
To add to this just a tad bit more, something to trap or kill Jirachi/ Bronzong on the theoretical team of Shuckle/ M-Gardevoir would absolutely destroy the common cores with sableye and easily dismantle the team. I haven't tried it myself but it seems to be good but, please correct me if this is not the way to go.
Gengar and Bisharp can accomplish this, more specifically Pursuit Trapping Bisharp variants which I find are the better ones to use on Webs. These are some fantastic partners with M-Gardevoir in general and are further enhanced with Sticky Web while Gengar can potentially spin block and Bisharp threatens Defoggers. Lando-I and Thundurus help break a stall a bit more and Twave Thundurus serves as an emergency check to fast offense that is immune to Webs such as the Latis Twins for example.
To add more to this, I once saw chimpact use a really interesting strategy alongside sticky web. Basically, he had double genies except with U-turn on Lando-I and Volt Switch on Thundy-I to lure in the lati twins and then pursuit trap then with weavile. I don't know how effective it is, but it seems like a cool concept.
Yeah this is actually a rare sight that I find fascinating that a lot of people don't do this, in regards to both things mentioend. I guess this has to do more with the ideology that it has to be Lando-T using U-Turn and not Lando-I and just that people don't realize the plethora of options that are available. Volt Switch Thundurus I've been playing around with a bit since XY but saw some more viability in ORAS because it provides a very consistent stallbreaker. I can definitely say it has some merits and is quite consistent and players should try to experiment a bit more similar to these mentioned sets.
All of these posts make me want to go and make a sticky web team similar to this. I think that I'd rather run like knock off thundurus/ landorus so that it can hit lati@s on the switch and weaken things like chansey better due to the team being so very strong specially.
Yes it is legal, yes I can seeing it being a solid wallbreaker with specs (not so sure about AV, sounds bad imo), but I don't see it lasting very long in OU. It still loses to greninja 9/10 times even if AV, factoring in hazard damage, no recovery and ice beam's overall power... and there's the thing that AV is just bad to be blunt, compared to specs which has a good-ish niche. In short, if you're going to use dragalge, a specs wallbreaker is probably the best way to go.
It's not playing 5 vs. 6 when you are potentially outspeeding their whole team. A pokemon like gallade that can outspeed almost anything means you're guaranteed a free kill or two unless they get rid of webs or get rid of gallade. It's trading a poke for a chance to sweep, so you gain an overall advantage. Also, it's not like a 5v6 scenario without webs has stopped even the slow ones like bisharp from pulling through and taking the win.
