The Everything NFL Punter Thread - 2014/2015 Season

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I have no idea how I should be feeling right now...

On the one hand, I'm sad to see LeBeau go after so many successful seasons. His value extends beyond just his scheming and packages, but his leadership and the respect he commands from his own team and other teams.

On the other hand, I'm intrigued to see if a new coordinator can find ways to boost the performance of the defense, dream up new schemes, bring the defense back to domination

On my third hand I'm scared that LeBeau's replacement will not be as good and Pittsburgh's defense will drop even further than it has, which would be incredibly poor timing considering Roethlisberger only has a few good years left in him and the window for more Super Bowl wins is already closing fast.

Time will tell, I suppose. The Ravens did fine after Rex Ryan left, so maybe Pittsburgh can emulate that success.
 
How the fuck does Carolina let chancellor jump over twice in a row like that ... can't the center feel him coming the second time and get the easy offside? Or have a backup snap count to use or anything like that?
 
Pretzels said:
someone's angry they got outcoached
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He kinda has a point though, it's a total douchebaggery move that as far as I know hasn't ever really been done before. It's completely within the rules to do it though, and imo an awesome call.

However, announcing ineligibility should probably work the same as announcing eligibility (the ref announcing it) if the player doesn't have the # of an O-Lineman or something. this play is something that probably won't ever happen again after this offseason, but it was pretty cool to see.
 
Ravens west are looking really strong. They won me a lot of money last year and I've been saying for years that I love how they were built, I find it really easy to root for them when my boys are out. All aboard the Seahawks bandwagon (Colts and Packers are cool too but fuck all the other teams that are still alive)
 
Pretzels ah now we understand why you won't shut the fuck up and admit that flacco played a great game :)

Panthers had their chances, but that was about it.

About "so-and-so shouldve been called for unsportsmanlike for running onto the field with helmet off" or whatever, it is clearly stated in the rulebook that it is "at the official's discretion," so complaining about a penalty that most likely won't be called unless it is particularly unruly (distracting or contacting officials) is more than pointless.
 
TheValkyries said:
Play Action pass bruh. If the run game starts seeing success, the dline can't pass rush as hard as they used to because they have to respect the play-action. If a DLine can stop/contain the run without sacrificing too much pass rushing integrity they can sell out on pass rushing on the more obvious passing downs, since there's no such thing as a Pass Action Run that they have to worry about.
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Yeah? And what if the run game DOESN'T see any success? The Bills O-line was historically terrible and they couldn't run, meaning they couldn't "set up the play-action". Also, they couldn't make a pocket for Orton anyway, so it didn't make a shitlick of a difference.

Yesterday, the Patriots ran for only 14 yards, the lowest for a winning NFL playoff team ever. At one point in the second half, they had called 0 run plays and 18 pass plays. You know why Belichick is the greatest NFL coach alive? Because when something doesn't work, HE GIVES THE FUCK UP ON IT. Rather than bashing his RBs into the Ravens D-line over and over for 2-yard gains, just to "make the defense respect the run", he said "fuck it" and started throwing 5-8 yard pass patterns over and over and ate your amazing defense alive. Your suspect CBs were exposed for what they were, and your vaunted D-line got no pressure because Brady got the ball out in around 2 seconds every play.
 
Rodgers looks so terrible. Also I missed the entire first half because I thought the Broncos-Colts started at 1 and was the early game.
 
Might as well send Seattle to the Owl already, they get to play against a crippled QB either way.

wow that defense dallas PLS Y U DO DIS
 
DM said:
Yeah? And what if the run game DOESN'T see any success? The Bills O-line was historically terrible and they couldn't run, meaning they couldn't "set up the play-action". Also, they couldn't make a pocket for Orton anyway, so it didn't make a shitlick of a difference.

Yesterday, the Patriots ran for only 14 yards, the lowest for a winning NFL playoff team ever. At one point in the second half, they had called 0 run plays and 18 pass plays. You know why Belichick is the greatest NFL coach alive? Because when something doesn't work, HE GIVES THE FUCK UP ON IT. Rather than bashing his RBs into the Ravens D-line over and over for 2-yard gains, just to "make the defense respect the run", he said "fuck it" and started throwing 5-8 yard pass patterns over and over and ate your amazing defense alive. Your suspect CBs were exposed for what they were, and your vaunted D-line got no pressure because Brady got the ball out in around 2 seconds every play.
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Yeah he gives the fuck up on it because he respected that the Ravens weren't going to collapse and break discipline on Run Defense, and went to a quick release style of play that Removes the DLine's pass rush from the equation. There is another element of the Ravens willingly gave up the short passing game by playing their coverage men 5-10 yards deep on most every play because they knew that if they shifted to press man coverage to stop the short passes, they have to gamble on being able to contain big deep plays away from a single man covered Gronkowski. Conceptually, maybe they should've gambled on that to allow their DLine more chances to get after Brady, but ultimately they didn't want to take the risk.

But back to your original statement of how the Bills can't get any run success, well that sounds like a personal problem to your offense m8 and doesn't have shitlick of difference to do with how fundamentally not respecting running games is conceptually dangerous. What matters is when the Bills DLine are on Defense and if they start getting the ball rammed down their throats, or start seeing screen passes or other such short release passes. If you want to make the comparison to the Ravens, the Ravens DLine forced the Patriots to literally only pass, but they didn't have the secondary or coverage players to back it up. The Bills do have the secondary members to possibly play single man press coverage, but their DLine isn't capable of so blatantly stopping a run game. ALSO WORTH NOTING that the Patriots running game is nothing special to begin with, since our Offensive Line is such a hodge-podge mess.
 
WaterBomb said:
The ball came loose when it hit the ground, not sure why you'd complain about this one. He has to maintain control through the ENTIRE act of the catch, which in that case was everything from the leap through his landing.
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Fucking bullshit. The only reason he dropped the ball is because he had unquestionable control, then lunged forward with the ball in his grasp and tried to stretch out his arm out to get the touchdown.

I'm going to emotionally console myself by noting that Seattle will beat either one because both Romo and Rodgers are gimpy as fuck right now. But it's still complete and utter garbage. The refs straight up won the game for the Packers.
 
I don't see how the fuck some of you can say that was a catch. He didn't maintain control. When Mike Pereira is saying it's not a catch, I think you should listen. n_n
 
It's funny how literally nobody in the commentating/analyst crew agrees, most of which are former NFL players/coaches so I'm pretty sure they know their shit just as well. For better or worse, Pereira almost never disagrees with his boys (as a former ref).
 
I think you should go back and watch where Dez Bryant has his arms up declaring touchdown when they're about to make the ruling showing that he made a conscious football move after getting complete possession to try and reach for the endzone. And then watch when his knee and forearm hit the ground as he has such possession and then as the ball is jostled momentarily by the ground but does not help him complete the catch.

This is so blatantly a catch that has been messed up by the bs "full process of the catch rule", in which a football move common to the game (reaching for the endzone) apparently doesn't count as an actual football move. COOL.

Whatever, though, I have no real dog in this fight but that call was a load of shit.
 
The question is not whether he lost control when the ball touched the ground. This is indisputable, you can clearly see the ball touch the ground and it literally came out of his possession after doing so.

The question is whether or not the catch was "complete" before the ball hit the ground. I'm not sure about the wording on the rule, but the announcers frequently say that the player has to make a "football move" with the ball. It's debatable whether or not Dez lunging with the ball is a "football move" and thus debatable on whether the ball hitting the ground even matters. The rule is not black and white and is subject to interpretation by the refs, which makes it a shitty rule to enforce.
 
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