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Resource ORAS OU Simple Questions, Simple Answers (Read the OP First!)
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Well there is no revenge killer that ALWAYS works. Even Ditto will lose to any setup sweeper with a Substitute or a move that can't hit them hard enough to OHKO (think Gyarados, which just sets up in front of Ditto). But there are plenty of ways to beat setup sweepers without resorting to revenge killing them. You can try to offensively pressure them so that they never get a chance to setup. There's also prankster T wave from Thundurus and Klefki as well as priority from the likes of Talonflame, Scizor, Breloom, Azumarill, Dragonite, etc. that can help with revenge killing. Not to mention covering things defensively (no Zard X is gonna set up if you've got a Slowbro on your team). Many teams will have multiple ways of beating the setup sweepers of the tier, depending on which ones your team is worried about. And a lot of them will use the strategies I mentioned above.
Or you could be like most people and just run Scarf Lando-T on 90% of your teams.
Eh that's kind of an impossible question to answer. There really isn't a revenge killer out there that always works at revenge killing, because it entirely depends on what you're trying to revenge kill. It's entirely dependent on what your team is weak to and what you need to revenge. For example if you're really weak to DD Zard-X or D-Nite, then Scarf Latios or Scarf Garchomp are good options because they can reliably beat those threats at +1. Again, if you're team is for some reason very weak to like every kind of set up sweeper, then yeah Scarf Ditto isn't a bad option, but it's never been the greatest Pokemon in the world because it doesn't really provide teams with reliable offensive or defensive synergy. On top of that, it has a horrible matchup against defensive teams.
EDIT: Fuck you alex
Overall Hyper Beam isn't that great of an option on Mega Pidgeot because of that nasty recharge turn, however it's not unviable. There are certain instances where Mega Pidgeot will be unable to muscle through certain shit, such as Thundurus, Landorus, and Rotom-W. Although it's not always safe to use the move, there are times when beating a certain threat is worth losing momentum. Again, it's not always a good idea to use Hyper Beam because it could open a door for the opponent to bring in a sweeper and set up, but if you can afford to get away with it, then it's a pretty clutch move to use, and its fourth moveslot is pretty expendable anyway.
I usually run Leftovers, as then you can catch a Mega Aggron or Mega Slowbro and still have the recovery, though any item is good. Maybe Life Orb Mega (something that's not Rayquaza). :|
Uh...thanks! But, when I say revenge killing, I don't mean revenge killing (that came out weird...). I mean, fainting the opposing to-be sweeper and sweeping with that sweeper. Which only ditto can do; literally nothing else, as there are only two other pokemon with transform in their arsenal, but they can't do what ditto does. But I see what you're getting at, and thanks for the info.
P.S. is it allowed for me to put a pseudo team description, instead of posting it on the RMT forum? Heh...my first post was a RMT, and still nobody has seen it yet XD. And also, it takes a long time to make one, at least for me.
What EV Spread + Nature does the Foul Play/Knock Off M-Sableye set use?
Utility
move 1: Knock Off
move 2: Will-O-Wisp
move 3: Recover
move 4: Foul Play / Toxic
ability: Prankster
item: Sablenite
evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
nature: Impish
This is what I found in the Sableye analysis.
Careful nature, and you can go with max HP max SpD or 96 spdef to avoid the 2HKO from life orb gengar's shadow ball and the rest in defense.
Edit: greninja'd, all spread mentioned above and by myself work fine tbh
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Move 1
Move 2
Move 3
Move 4
Item
Ability
Nature
- Careful
- 252 HP
- 4 Atk
- 252 SpD
100% stolen from the strategy pokedex
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Find the Mirage Spot with Ditto on it and continue searching it with the DexNav until you get a 3 star potential. That means it has 3IVS, and the DexNav Unfortunatley cannot find 6IV pokemon. It's better than nothing though.
Another far less reliable method, but a method nonetheless, is hopping onto the GTS and searching for a Ditto. A large number people put in which of their Ditto's IVs are perfect, and you can select whichever one fits your needs, that you have something to trade with. Of course, you'd be relying on the goodwill and honesty of the other person but "Trust is the glue of life. It's the most essential ingredient in effective communication. It's the foundational principle that holds all relationships." - Stephen Covey
Oh yeah, and you can probably find someone with a substantially well IV'd Ditto in the Wifi Room on PS!
Hey, I know you're probably looking for a long term ditto, but I can breed what you need for you if you want that :). If not, well look on the GTS. A piece of advice of you don't want me to breed for you: look for a shiny ditto on the GTS. I got one (which is my breeding ditto now) which was shiny and generally when someone puts up a shiny, it's a 6iv one as well (at least from my experience).
I'm not sure what 2HKO's and OHKOes that Adamant 252 Atk / 252 Speed Talonflame would achieve that Jolly 252 Atk / 168 Speed cannot. I've been running the Adamant + Sharp Beak + Swords Dance set and I'm not sure if it should be more important to outspeed Raikou and Thundurus over the attacking power, or if Adamant won't prove much of a difference at all. I've been annoyed about Thundurus and Raikou outspeeding me, but I'd just want to make sure if I won't miss out on any OHKOes at +0 Atk when running Jolly.
Definitely use Jolly when using Swords Dance. Adamant isn't needed when you're an SD Set; it's much more useful to outspeed Raikou (and Thundurus, but it'll likely just paralyze you anyway).
e: Yeah bolts i forgot about that i guess. You still can't oneshot it from full, but w/e. Jolly is still really important.
Actually, in the case vs Thundurus its super important to outspeed it since you can kill it with a +2 BB after stealth rock due to the fact that talonflame's priority will outprioritize Thundurus's Twave.
Repeater1947
While I agree that Jolly is a far better idea than Adamant on sd talonflame, I'll answer your bit about the way the kos differentiate between the two.
With adamant:
Guaranteed 2hko on mixed hippowdon - +2
Guaranteed 2hko on Terrakion - +0
Guaranteed 2hko on scarf Landot - +1 (after intimidate)
Guaranteed 2hko on phy-def skarmory - +0
Guaranteed ohko on phy-def skarmory - +2
Guaranteed ohko on Azumarill - +2
Guaranteed 2hko on Azumarill - +0
Guaranteed 2hko on normal slowbro - +2
With Jolly, all these 2hkos and ohkos become 3hkos and 2hkos. Definitely go with Jolly, don't get me wrong, but I'm just saying, when you come across these threats, you should know that you won't be able to kill them anymore.
Easy solution to this though, just use rocks, lol
If you are able to breed me a 6 iv ditto I will more than happy to take it :) I did actually use the gts that's how I got my ditto with no maxed IVs
Uh, no, that's not what I meant. It's impossible to breed ditto :). What I meant was breeding the pokemon you want to use. I you still want me to do that, I'd be fine with it :D
Ex. Gallade and ditto want to breed for a 31/31/31/xx/31/31 male ralts. I could take the gallade, breed it with my 6iv ditto, and give you the result afterward.
Oh ok thats fine also :)
Would you be able to breed a garchomp? If it's too much I could take a female ralts since I like Gardevoir more than Gallade
Ah, sure! What nature do you want the garchomp?...and do you also want me to breed a gallade for you (it would have to be adamant)? I can give it to you by tomorrow or so.
I gotta go to sleep now anyways, so just message me on my profile.
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