DragonBomb, the ultimate Dragonite

Ghostking

Dragon Bomb
- Draco Meteor
- FIRE BLAST (not sub)
- Focus Punch
- Roost
Item: Life Orb
Nature: Mild
Evs: 76 Hp/ 180 Speed/ 252 Sp. Attack

This dragonite is a deadly creature that can last the whole match. The idea is to bring it in on something with low offense or something that can't really hurt it. Then the best thing to do is to use draco meteor and switch out if they send in a steel pokemon or something else draco meteor won't kill. Draco meteor hits stuff hard with life orb. Most steels get hit greatly by fire blast. Pokemon like bliss, heatran, regice, snorlax, etc that can take fire blast and DM will be hit with a swift FP. After a while if you accumulate alot of damage, simply roost it all off with dragonites bulkyness. Its not that fast, but the raw power and the fact nothing can switch in safely (exept cresselia, even then it takes around 50% ~ 55% damage from meteor.) Well, post your comments and suggestions for it.

All credit goes to Anti for the DC's

Damage Calculations:

Draco Meteor

Hippowdon
Target HP: 420 (Max)
77.86% - 91.67%
327 – 385

Weezing
Target HP: 334 (Max)
100% - 117%
334 +

Slowbro
Target HP: 384 (212)
78.39% - 92.19%
301 – 354

Target HP: 394 (Max)
76.40% - 89.85 %
301-354

Starmie
Target HP: 304 (Max)
94.08% – 110.86%
286 – 337

Target HP: 262 (4)
109.16% - 128.63%

Gliscor
Target HP: 354 (Max)
89.55% - 105.37%
317 – 373

Donphan
Target HP: 384 (Max)
98.18% – 115.36%
377 – 443

Gyarados
Target HP: 384 (212)
65.10% - 76.56%
250 – 294

Target HP: 350 (76)
71.43% - 84.00%
250 – 294

Focus Punch

Blissey
Target HP: 714 (Max HP, Max Defense)
100% +

Fire Blast

Skarmory
Target HP: 334 (Max)
114% +

Bronzong
Target HP: 338 (Max HP / Sp. Defense, + Nature)
55.53% - 65.09%
187 - 220

Apparently, I made slightly the same set as anti, around the same time =/.
 
This kinds of sets are good (I won't lie, they do big damage) but are EXTREMELY limited to your teambuilding and mostly your style of play.

Take me for example, I'm very fond of sacrificing pokemon to get a good 2-3 pokemon sweep. (making me love Aerodactyl, scarf chomp and stuff.)
Witch is a reason I don't really love this type of set, its just too "needy" to take good care of it, switch him in and out of trouble.

So... In conclusion, its a good set under the right circumstances, but it takes patience to kill with it.
 
Yes, it most likely would. Just pretend fire blast > sub on that set. I had "Substitute / Fire blast" but I erased the wrong one.

And the common counters... like Starmie, Weavile, Blissey + Ice Beam, etc. etc. How exactly do you plan on fighting those?

Starmie and Weavile can't switch in on it at all, exept for roost, and starmie on FB.

Bliss can't take a focus punch that well. Its a 1HKO


These aren't used from a damage calculator, but from accual battle.

Focus punch 1HKO's BLissey, regice, snorlax, heatran, weavile, tyranitar and does around 50% or more to swampert, slowbro, and Does a ton (not very exact) to rhyperior.
Fire blast 1HKO's skarm, does around 60% to jirachi, 1HKO's forry, 1HKO's weavile
Draco meteor does around 50% to cressy, 1HKO's starmie most of the time, does 60-80% to swampert, milotic, slowbro.

More damage calculations to come
 
Kamikaze Korean said:
How do you plan on Focus Punching Blissey with it Ice Beaming you in the face?
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Prediction I believe.

And what you say only reinforces my earlier statement.
This is one of those Sets that you have to take care of, you leave him in one more turn, and he's dead...
 
Your approximate calcs for this set are pretty much entirely wrong.

Your set is fine but without Substitute it will require a decent amount of prediction to use correctly.

This is a Dragonite set i had made a while back, sometime in April.



Dragonite (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Inner Focus
EVs: 164 HP / 88 Atk / 4 Spd / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Substitute/ Roost
- Focus Punch
- Draco Meteor
- Thunderbolt/ Ice Beam

Damage Calcs

The Standard Bulky Water Types

Draco Meteor on 394 HP/286 Special Defense Milotic: 44-52%
Draco Meteor on 404 HP/216 Special Defense Swampert: 57-67%
Draco Meteor on 404 HP/266 Special Defense Suicune: 46-54%
Draco Meteor on 394 HP/196 Special Defense Slowbro: 64-76%
Draco Meteor on 394 HP/236 Special Defense Gyarados: 54-63%
Draco Meteor on 320 HP/206 Special Defense Starmie: 74-87%

Special Walls That Can Wall Draco Meteor

Draco Meteor on 704 HP/306 Special Defense Blissey: 23-27%
Focus Punch on 704 HP/130 Defence Blissey 76-89%

Draco Meteor on 524 HP/320 Special Defense Snorlax: 30-35%
Focus Punch on 524 HP/200 Defence Snorlax 68-80%

Draco Meteor on 364 HP/480 Special Defense Regice: 29-34%
Focus Punch on 364 HP/328 Defence Regice 60-70%

Thunderbolt ensures a 2hko on all Bulky Water Types that would normally switch into Dragonite. If your fear Bulky Grounds like Hippowdon or Donphan more than Bulky Waters Thunderbolt can be easily replaced for Ice Beam.

Roost is also an option over Substitute as it allows Dragonite more staying power. Substitute does ease the amount of prediction you have to do though.

If used right after one another all of these walls are 2hkod.
Only Regice and Snorlax have a chance at surviving and with a sandstorm up both of these walls are still 2hkod.

These Damage Calcs show that none these pokemon can switch into Dragonite's Substitute safely and this is without including Stealth Rock, Spikes or Sandstorm into the calculations.
 
Why do all of the new gimmicky "greatest thing since Specsmence and MixChomp/Chain Chomp" sets now-days have to use Dragonite? We get it: Dragonite is the underdog in comparison to his other 600 dragon brethren, and it seems to have a strong fan following backing it looking for ways to make Dragonite up to snuff with the other 600 dragons. But really now, if I see one more "Dragonite trying to be Salamence/Garchomp" set, somebody gonna get'a hurt real bad.

Why isn't the DD/Outrage set good enough anymore? It's something that Dragonite can do that the other two dragons can't, and it's very good at it. I'm not going to say that it's not a half-decent set, but Chompface can pull the "Draco Meteor/FB/Physical attack" off much better and generally is less counter-able compared to the former.

On the subject of this new Dragonite set vs Blissey though, not a ton of people switch Blissey into Dragonite from my experiences as DDNite is the standard fare. Going under that assumption, neither one will usually switch into the other with the exception of Blissey in a sacrifice. Blissey won't switch in on Dragonite from fear of a DDed Outrage, and Dragonite can't switch in Blissey from fear of an Ice Beam. Dragonite can't even come in on a sacrifice like Blissey can because it'll simply get Ice Beamed. If Dragonite doesn't die on the spot, Focus Punch will become null, and the Blissey user will see what's going on. And the only other moves you have left are moves that Blissey drinks with her Volvic water.

I dunno, I like it when people think outside the box, and as I said before, this isn't inherently a bad set per say, but it just seems too impractical and too reminiscent of Chompface's new fad for my liking =/.
 
This isn't really anything new and I would have been tempted to lock this if maniaclyrasist hadn't somewhat saved the thread.

Thunderhorse brings up the most valid point in that any smart person is not going to switch Blissey into Dragonite. Outrage is a great move running off that attack so there is always the chance of it being physical. And when people do see Draco Meteor, nobody is going to keep switching Blissey into Dragonite... by now we all know it learns Focus Punch especially with threads like this popping up about it all the time. At best you get a guessing game of what pokemon am I going to send in... Blissey to take the Draco Meteor or Dusknoir/Salamence/resistance to eat up the Focus Punch. This set provides no real surprise and no real advantage. It's a good set but not good enough to slap on some cheeseball name and claim that this pokemon tears up teams.
 
Hay guys I have an idea, we take Subpunch Dragonite and Mixnite and throw them together to make a completely different, alternate version of MixNite! It's the perfect plan!

Anyway, Maniacalyracist's set is a lot better because it addresses Dragonite's common switchins. Swampert still walls 2/3ofs of its attack moves though.

Angry disamblemblance here:

This dragonite is a deadly creature that can last the whole match.

Pointless hyperbole.

The idea is to bring it in on something with low offense or something that can't really hurt it.

Also known as switching in properly.

Then the best thing to do is to use draco meteor and switch out if they send in a steel pokemon or something else draco meteor won't kill.

So why aren't we using Chompy or Salamence again?

Draco meteor hits stuff hard with life orb. Most steels get hit greatly by fire blast.

Unless of course you just dropped your SA two levels, in which case you'll deal decent, but not deadly, damage on a hit.

Pokemon like bliss, heatran, regice, snorlax, etc that can take fire blast and DM will be hit with a swift FP.

Yeah, because they'll spend their turn using Flash or Curse or something instead of nailing you with Ice Beam/Dragon Pulse/Return, thus negating Focus Punch.
 
Wow, saying Regice can take a Fire Blast is like saying Blissey can take a Focus Blast (or whatever that 120/70 special fighting move is...).

Back on topic, as personally being a mild fan of Dragonite, I might use this set in the future.
 
Monkeydude85 said:
Wow, saying Regice can take a Fire Blast is like saying Blissey can take a Focus Blast (or whatever that 120/70 special fighting move is...).

Back on topic, as personally being a mild fan of Dragonite, I might use this set in the future.
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Regice can take a Fire Blast. Draggy can't take an Ice Beam in return.
 
Thunderhorse said:
Why do all of the new gimmicky "greatest thing since Specsmence and MixChomp/Chain Chomp" sets now-days have to use Dragonite?

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Why isn't the DD/Outrage set good enough anymore? It's something that Dragonite can do that the other two dragons can't, and it's very good at it. I'm not going to say that it's not a half-decent set, but Chompface can pull the "Draco Meteor/FB/Physical attack" off much better and generally is less counter-able compared to the former.
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Apart from Dragonite's fan following, I think the reason it rather simple. Its easy to make a mixed Salamence and a mixed Garchomp that is viable already exists. As for Dragonite there aren't a lot of things it does that the other dragons don't do better. There a lot of mixed Salamence and Dragonite, but if somebody come up with a set that doesn't outclass Salamence in ways other than having more defenses (and no intimidate) then its going to be worth talking about. In short everyone wants to be the person to make Dragonite just as viable as Sala or Chomp.

As for DD/Outrage not being good enough anymore, well its pretty simple. Firstly its what everyone expects, if you were running any other set you'd have just used Salamence is the standard logic, and in many cases you are probably better off doing just that.

The problem is that despite Dragonite having the biggest movepool of the lot, its probably the most predictable due to only using sets that work well with its lower speed. To its credit is that it both takes and deals hits better than the other dragons overall, but is more like TTar/Metagross overall.
 
TSPhoenix said:
As for DD/Outrage not being good enough anymore, well its pretty simple. Firstly its what everyone expects, if you were running any other set you'd have just used Salamence is the standard logic, and in many cases you are probably better off doing just that.
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Garchomp and Salamence are unpredictable enough already, so there's no need to resort to this inferior set.
 
You may benefit more from putting those EVs into HP and running less Speed in order to let it take hits better. Dragonite, for all its bulkiness, can't switch in on much except maybe Tangrowth or a CB Earthquake. Hell, With that spread CB Heracross Megahorn is a 2HKO.
 
Burn Jack said:
Garchomp and Salamence are unpredictable enough already, so there's no need to resort to this inferior set.
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I don't quite understand either of what those two dragon's predictability has to do with anything neither which 'inferior set' you are referring to?

If you are refering to the set in this thread, well I understand that, its hardly groundbreaking, but my post was just a theory of mine to explain the general obsession with Dragonite, with the bottom line being its fans want to raise it from its underdog status and bring it back to center stage.
 
I've been pretty much using the same Dnite set as maniaclyracist, except with Life Orb for the much needed power boost and Roost over Sub for survivability. Sub can still be used over the auxillary attack (Ice Beam/Tbolt), though it provides less coverage (to be fair, 2 consecutive DMs is probably more than sufficient to kill what you want). Life Orb provides that kind of power.
 
This set doesn't really need to be "take care of" because its stats are decent enough to take a non 4X/2X hit quite easily. The thing is, not many pokemon can take a hit from a STABed Draco Meteor, Fire blast, or focus punch. Especially with life orb boost. The Idea is that Draco meteor and life orb with roost work well. ANd the things that can stop Draco meteor are Special Walls, such as bliss, regice, snorlax, etc. Most of these pokemon are 1HKO's by focus punch. Steels on the other hand sometimes can take a focus punch, and most of them are ko'd by fire blast. Heatran can mess it up because the only way you'll hurt it is if you land a focus punch... So basicly, no pokemon can come success fully as long as you predict correctly. Its one of those pokemon that either utterly destroys your opponent, or doesn't play well at all. I've been testing it and it works pretty well with support.

Simply try it out and you can see its better than appears.
 
It's not that it isn't a good set, it's that it's certainly not worth making a thread about.

If it's your spin on a Mixed or Substitute Dragonite, that's cool, but if you aren't breaking any ground, then why make an entire thread, and call attention to it?
 
I knew he was running this set and I had an incredibly hard time beating it, it's an excellent set but it just kinda hard to use.
 
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