NOC Fallout New Vegas NOC [GAME OVER - Wastelanders Win]

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Even though you lynched the Wastelander Safeguard yesterday, you managed to get a solid night of sleep. Today doesn't seem to differ much from yesterday - except for the lack of a player who already excelled in being inactive during Day 1. Right in the middle of the Strip, you find a decapitated body, the head itself taken as a trophy. The only way to know who this was is through the slip of paper in the dead person's hand:

Dear LightWolf,

you are Veronica Santangelo.

“Thanks for taking a chance on a naive young girl from California with stars in her eyes and a pneumatic gauntlet on her hand.”

While you are still a member of the Brotherhood of Steel, you don’t always agree on their policies - hiding in a bunker, dressing in thick sheet armor, and hoarding all the energy weapons you can find… There must be something more to life than that, like pretty dresses, or even talking to people that are not part of the Brotherhood. You have since left the Brotherhood’s bunker in the Hidden Valley, hoping to discover more about the world.

You are a Vanilla Wastelander. You have no night action.

You are allied with the Wastelanders. You win if the Wastelanders eliminate Caesar’s Legion or if nothing can prevent the same.
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LightWolf has met his untimely demise, sadly. Hopefully this provides you with enough clues to discover the Legion members among you.

Results for night actions are going out right now. Do not post until I confirm that you can. If you do not receive a result for your night actions, your action was successful.
 
All results are out (if you think you should have gotten a result but haven't, please contact me). You may now post.

It is now Day 2, which will last at least 72 hours (3 days) but may also last longer. The deadline will be set later depending on activity.
 
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"

The noob mafia are coming for me.
 
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"

I'm apparently "post restricted", plus this all looks like a set up.
 
What is that supposed to mean HD?

Hi guys! :D. Soooooo.... Why the fuck was Cancerous lynched yesterday? Right after I went to bed the lynch votes started piling up on him... I still haven't seen a decent case. Theguy who originally brought him up, rssp1 IIRC, had a decent start to the wagon, but that should NOT have snowballed into what it did. When I get to a computer I'm gonna check the lynch votes. Someone who hopped on the wagon should be lynched today.
 
lol.

"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
 
What, What? It's an obvious mafia noob play to single me out like this. >.<

"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
 
Anyway the first order of business should be obvious.

Cancerous was a bad lynch. He was always a bad lynch. The notion that he was "helping but not really" on day 1, when at least one player was literally inactive enough to be subbed out, was beyond forced. Especially when we should have been lynching Haunted Diamond.

Although I'm sure the question on everyone's mind is:
Who is the announcer? HD said that he'd show off his role, and the announcement talked about getting almost lynched, so he could be clean right now.
 
First thing’s first: Celever respond to post #241 instead of hoping it goes unnoticed by lynching me.

Anyway, I skimmed the latter part of the day and noticed a few things that I should bring up/respond to.

vonFiedler your reasons for trying to lynch me were pretty flimsy. You say that you agree with LightWolf’s reasoning, which was mainly my “non-content” early on, when you literally do the same thing:
Spiffy said:
- His early contributions consist mainly of troll posts and his argument with moi. I honestly feel like the foundation of the argument was based on misunderstandings. Doesn't really contribute much else.
- Doesn't say much else until his feud with Jalmont which, although not game-related, piqued my interest because vonFiedler only seems to be active when he is fighting with someone.
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You also mention my “rolefishing” being unacceptable. Tell me von, what do you call this?
Post #417:
Haunted Diamond said:
Two more people suspecting me and i'll show you all how spiffy is so wrong. I hope it doesn't come to that though.
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vonFiedler said:
If Spiffy is so wrong, please show us now
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You rolefish immediately after he softclaimed. Sure, I did it more overtly, but I listed my reasons for doing so. Yours is a lot more subtle and probably closer to how mafia would go about it. I’m not saying that it’s scummy that you do so, but you using arguments against me that can also be applied to yourself is beyond hypocritical.

I want to know why everyone jumps on my “rolefish” as scummy but no one even mentions von doing it (Celever, PokeguyNXB, Serious Bananas are who I remember doing this). Celever will jump on me for literally anything but can’t be bothered to consider the same arguments for other players lol.

My final post Day 1 was obviously made in the event that you noobs lynched me so I don’t know why you felt the need to even respond to it at all. Probably to try and put the final nail in my coffin when I was clearly going to bed scumFiedler!

vonFiedler said:
You still have not adequately explained to me why you'd want to rolefish and now you're bandwagoning on the really weak Cancerous lynch.
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Clearly the lynch was between me and Cancerous (as you skillfully set up thanks to your informal vote!). I know for sure that I am town. I did not know for sure that Cancerous is town. What is the problem here?

The informal vote itself was actually really terrible because it limited everyone’s options considerably, allowing the mafia to know exactly who the possible targets were. If they aren’t among the 2-3 players that you limited it to (which I know to be true if we are to believe that HD is a power role), they can just sit back and watch as we all accuse each other and take no heat themselves. Scared mafia tend to be more transparent the closer it is to deadline, and the more ambiguous the target is. You tried to appear helpful by narrowing down our options when in fact it was one of the worst things we could have done. I want to hear others’ thoughts on how the informal vote went down.

Again, my final post last day was in the event that I was lynched, and things I thought people should look into when I flipped. That wasn’t me pushing off the burden to looking to you on someone else because I couldn’t find anything. Also, why would it be such a big deal for people to look into you? If you’re village you should have nothing to worry about, yet you try to dismiss this by utilizing it as an argument against me.

The way Haunted Diamond made his exit from the thread at the end of last day is pretty unacceptable. “Hey guys I’m a power role but I have to go now kthx bye”. This is why I wanted him to claim fully after softclaiming. I think we really need an explanation as well as his full claim. I’m not allowing him to get through the whole game by saying he’s a power role but doing nothing to prove it.

Fatecrashers is still one of my main targets. I noticed as it got down to crunch time he was just kind of around to clear his name and let everything unravel. For example,
Fatecrashers said:
spiffy calm your paranoid fucking tits i was trying to show haunted the flaw in his reasoning, why would i jump on the wagon for you (which i'm not comfortable with, for the record) when i've voiced no suspicion of you previously and doing so would likely get me instantly mutilated
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Here he mentions that he isn’t comfortable with my wagon, but made no effort to defend me or even explain why he was uncomfortable with it. He seemed content with letting everything play out, only jumping in to defend himself when he was brought up.

Vote Fatecrashers
Not opposed to a von or Celever lynch either atm. Especially with their whole "OMG THE CANCEROUS LYNCH WAS SO BAD THE MAFIA MUST BE AMONG THOSE WHO LYNCHED shtick. While I agree that there are probably one or two mafia on that lynch, I doubt all of them would pile on, and it's ridiculous to focus solely on those on that lynch.
 
Like I mentioned earlier, a) He didn't contribute anything and when people criticized him for it he didn't put any effort into justifying himself,
b) He asked the weirdest question from the sub, "What do you think of moi", which to me seemed very scummy because it couldn't have come from someone who cared about finding the scum,
these are the main reasons. Plus, when I saw how Spiffy directed the attention on me and everyone suddenly jumped on my wagon, i figured that there must be something special about cancerous that they are misdirecting the town from it.

"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"
 
Previous post was written right after Day 1 ended except for the last paragraph, which is why the Haunted Diamond stuff is there. While mafia announcer has existed previously, I'd say it's pretty safe to assume he's clean for now.
 
at the end of the day there were essentially three choices: spiffy, haunted, and cancerous, if cancerous was on his way to be lynched and i'm comfortable with that decision why wouldn't i just let everything play out? from my point of view it was a better lynch than either of the other two guys. spiffy's lynching me for not buddying up to him and defending him. excuse you but you were trying to get me lynched and still am, i am not going to voluntarily take fire for the one person who i know for sure is lynching a villager.
 
Spiffy "You try to lynch me, you must be scum". Cry more.

- His early contributions consist mainly of troll posts and his argument with moi. I honestly feel like the foundation of the argument was based on misunderstandings. Doesn't really contribute much else.
- Doesn't say much else until his feud with Jalmont which, although not game-related, piqued my interest because vonFiedler only seems to be active when he is fighting with someone.
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How the fuck is this noncontent? Are players not now fairly certain that Amianki and Jalmont (I could toot my own horn too, several players would) are village? It seems to me like I've done more for this village than most. And while not having to post constantly with nothing to say to keep up appearances.

Two more people suspecting me and i'll show you all how spiffy is so wrong. I hope it doesn't come to that though.
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When I read this, I did not immediately think that he was talking about any kind of role. You did, and you asked him to claim. I asked for clarification on what exactly "show you" means, as it was super vague. I never asked for a role. You're talking shit.

Clearly the lynch was between me and Cancerous (as you skillfully set up thanks to your informal vote!). I know for sure that I am town. I did not know for sure that Cancerous is town. What is the problem here?

The informal vote itself was actually really terrible because it limited everyone’s options considerably, allowing the mafia to know exactly who the possible targets were. If they aren’t among the 2-3 players that you limited it to (which I know to be true if we are to believe that HD is a power role), they can just sit back and watch as we all accuse each other and take no heat themselves. Scared mafia tend to be more transparent the closer it is to deadline, and the more ambiguous the target is. You tried to appear helpful by narrowing down our options when in fact it was one of the worst things we could have done. I want to hear others’ thoughts on how the informal vote went down.
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Well I can't be super proud of it when Cancerous got lynched, something I was adamantly against. However, it could in no way limit the village's options because no one who didn't rise to the top from an informal vote was gonna get seriously lynched within 12 hours. You couldn't be more clearly butthurt over the fact that some people thought you were scum. It is very unhelpful.

Not opposed to a von or Celever lynch either atm. Especially with their whole "OMG THE CANCEROUS LYNCH WAS SO BAD THE MAFIA MUST BE AMONG THOSE WHO LYNCHED shtick. While I agree that there are probably one or two mafia on that lynch, I doubt all of them would pile on, and it's ridiculous to focus solely on those on that lynch.
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I don't read Celever's posts, but it sounds like he's right for the first time in his life then.

Spiffy, YOU argued that when 5 people were informally voting for you that one must be mafia. EIGHT people actually lynched Cancerous, and suddenly the same logic does not apply. Get fucking real.

On Fatecrashers, I actually thought he defended himself very well yesterday, and am not super keen on seeing him lynched right now. However, Fatecrashers, I do think your most recent post was pretty weak (aside from calling out Spiffy on his shit). Why not let it play out you say? Well, why not vote for Spiffy or HD? As I argued in this post, HD never clearly said that he had a role or that he was claiming anything, and it's not the initial impression I got. And Spiffy is not making me like a lynch on him less tbh.
 
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Spiffy said:
not opposed to a von or Celever lynch either atm. Especially with their whole "OMG THE CANCEROUS LYNCH WAS SO BAD THE MAFIA MUST BE AMONG THOSE WHO LYNCHED shtick. While I agree that there are probably one or two mafia on that lynch, I doubt all of them would pile on, and it's ridiculous to focus solely on those on that lynch.
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No, you know what, I can't let this slide.

Let's be real here. Day 1 is always luck, and usually bad luck. No one really has information to go off of, so we create springboards that help us later. The odds are not good that someone in the mafia will be lynched on Day 1 like this. For all we know, every informal target was village. But the biggest springboard we get, that can easily define success or failure, is that day 1 lynched. Which side got lynched? Who lynched? Who instigated? Who bandwagoned? Who was against it? These form streams that turn into rivers as long (and at 22 pages already, this is gonna be a loooong NOC game) games progress.

Let's not talk about it you say?

When you voted for Cancerous? When you accuse Fatecrashers:

Here he mentions that he isn’t comfortable with my wagon, but made no effort to defend me or even explain why he was uncomfortable with it. He seemed content with letting everything play out, only jumping in to defend himself when he was brought up.
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Of the exact same shit you did.

Lynch Spiffy (mostly for pressure, but, also probably yeah)
 
Spiffy said:
Vote Fatecrashers
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Honestly Spiffy, I can't trust you anymore. With all the false bandwagons you've started and how unreasonably adamant you were about them.
vonFiedler said:
When I read this, I did not immediately think that he was talking about any kind of role. You did, and you asked him to claim. I asked for clarification on what exactly "show you" means, as it was super vague. I never asked for a role. You're talking shit.
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What else did you think I was referring to??
 
"Hi everybody! I'm the village announcer! While I'm sad to see the Safeguard go, judging by how the day went, it could so easily have been me instead, so here's hoping we don't repeat the same mistakes tomorrow!"

(can i edit this into my post the next time i forgot it? More Cowbell)
 
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