Once Rotom-W gets worn down, which happens all the time with Rest / Chesto, you pretty much just lose to Talonflame and every bird or flying reliant mon in existence. Sort of needs longevity on this team. I was thinking more M-Scizor with BU than M-Sableye honestly. Serp and fairy already handle m-sableye.
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Not sure if this is the best change, but you could replace defog scizor with a more offensive set or use another steel-type mega and maybe use Rocks+Spin Excadrill over Mamoswine so that your hazard removal doesn't conflict with your hazards, but it is not mandatory. Clefable with Focus Blast/flamethrower, wish/softboiled, heal bell, and moonblast maybe holding a LO (but lefties are more standard) can catch Heatran or Skarmory off-guard and kill it. Resto Chesto is decent if you keep the Cleric Clefable set, but pain split is generally more reliable (interestingly enough).
(keep in mind you can pick and choose which changes you want to make)
Thanks - I did think about Excadrill a LOT. But that's probably because Excadrill combines a lot of possible team roles into a fairly compact package; I feel Exca does best when it specialises and I've always been somewhat disappointed with its SR sets. Rapid Spin, not so much! I keep defaulting to Scarf most of the time for access to a quick and powerful EQ/RS/Iron Head/Coverage - but rarely do I have the opportunity to get SR *and* spin successfully in a game with the same Excadrill, scarf or not. But there's not an awful lot more spinners/defoggers to consider, either :/ If I'd used Excadrill for SR and Spinning I probably would have scrapped Scizor and Mamoswine and instead used MAltaria, with a single slot for filler. Something pivoty maybe. Plausibly even another Scizor, only sans Defog. Band maybe. Or a SR Heatran...? *bouncing ideas off the wall*
Have you tried using specially defensive Excadrill? It is actually quite bulky and gets a ton of opportunities to spin and set up rocks if they are removed.
Only with AV, and AV can't get Rocks up - maybe Specially Defensive is better currently, though I was under the impression it required AV and had got worse during ORAS. I didn't think Specially Defensive Excadrill could even function without AV; isn't one of the benchmarks being able to take a Rotom-W's Hydro Pump in order to Spin and retaliate with EQ? Idk what Excadrill even does nowadays, it changes so much with trends :| I'll look into it though, thanks!
It's a great set for Excadrill right now, and it is bulky enough to take the hydro pump and 2HKO or spin vs Rotom.
0 SpA Rotom-W Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Excadrill: 234-276 (55.1 - 65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Mold Breaker Excadrill Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 216+ Def Rotom-W: 200-236 (66 - 77.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
I wanted to make an attempt at bulky offense. (Please note Conckeldurr is the focal point here)
Please suggest replacements. Conckeldurr is a must-have, no exception.
Skarmory - rocky helmet
Impish
Sturdy
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Att
-Roost
-Whirlwind
-Brave Bird
-Stealth Rocks
Latias - Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
184 SpA, 252 Spe, the rest in HP
-Defog
-Psyshock
-Draco Meteor
-Roost
Tyranitar - Tyranitarite
Jolly
Sand Stream
252 Att, 252 Spe, 4 Def
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake
Heatran - Leftovers
Timid
Flash Fire
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 SpD
-Magma Storm
-Taunt
-Toxic
-Earth Power
Gliscor - Toxic Orb
Impish
Poison Heal
252 HP, 56 Def, 200 Spe
-Fling
-Roost
-Acrobatics
-Earthquake
Conckeldurr - Assault Vest
Adamant
Guts
252 Att, 236 SpD, 20 Spe
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
-Knock Off
-Poison Jab
Impish
Sturdy
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Att
-Roost
-Whirlwind
-Brave Bird
-Stealth Rocks
Latias - Life Orb
Timid
Levitate
184 SpA, 252 Spe, the rest in HP
-Defog
-Psyshock
-Draco Meteor
-Roost
Tyranitar - Tyranitarite
Jolly
Sand Stream
252 Att, 252 Spe, 4 Def
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Ice Punch
-Earthquake
Heatran - Leftovers
Timid
Flash Fire
252 SpA, 252 Spe, 4 SpD
-Magma Storm
-Taunt
-Toxic
-Earth Power
Gliscor - Toxic Orb
Impish
Poison Heal
252 HP, 56 Def, 200 Spe
-Fling
-Roost
-Acrobatics
-Earthquake
Conckeldurr - Assault Vest
Adamant
Guts
252 Att, 236 SpD, 20 Spe
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
-Knock Off
-Poison Jab
Please suggest replacements. Conckeldurr is a must-have, no exception.
Have you tried the Sheer Force Conkeldurr set? It's surprisingly good and pairs well with Talonflame / Mega Charizard-X who can take out Fairy-types and Mega Sableye who gives it trouble.
EDIT: I haven't tested it myself but I've heard that Mega Diancie is also a good partner for Conkeldurr (as an alternative to Zard-X)
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why sheer force over guts?
Sheer Force not only negates the Life Orb recoil, since that set uses Life Orb over Assault Vest, but powers up a whole bunch of its moves and gives it insane power. It's less situational than Guts and works better with that particular set since a lot of its moves, aka Thunder Punch, Poison Jab, Ice Punch, are backed up by the Sheer Force + Life Orb combo. Guts should be used with the Assault Vest set.
edit: lol rip i'm blind
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Oh, I was asking why not guts because the set on the team was AV.
I was hinting at him to change it to the LO Sheer Force set which imo is better in this meta :-)
oh, ok then (what fighting stab gets the SF boost tho)
SF Conk runs Drain Punch / Superpower for the main Fighting STAB. The point of SF is to lure in Conk's checks and hit them hard with coverage moves such as Ice Punch (Garchomp, Lando, Lati@s), Thunder Punch (Waters, Skarmory), Fire Punch (Mega Scizor, Skarmory) and Poison Jab (Fairies)
What is/are the best moveset(s) for Victini without Bolt Strike (or Blue Flare / Glaciate)? Is Adamant always going to be the best nature?
Is this for an in-game set? Honestly, just about every set uses either Bolt Strike (physical sets) or Blue Flare and Glaciate (special sets). While you never need all three, you usually need one or the other.
sd mega scizor and cb scizor
Thanks a lot. I am very new to the OU metagame, and I don't really know what the best sets for all the pokemon are. Really want to try out Scizor, and wanted some advice on how to run it.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/scizor
That is Scizor’s page in the Smogon dex. There's a ton of helpful info in there on lots of Pokemon so I would check that out.
Why is normal metagross that down on the viability ranking list?. I mean i kind of see him usseable has stealrth rok nice defenses insane attack and quite a good offensive typing so why ? only because its outclassed ?
It's completely outclassed as a threat in almost every sense of the word; it can't keep up with the Gen 5 and 6 power/speed creep. It's only real use is basically using it sort of like a Jirachi with Pursuit iirc.
To expand on Kurona's explanation, Metagross's speed is incredibly low for an offensive threat without a reliable way to compensate (Bisharp has STAB Sucker Punch and SD, for example), and the power creep cuts into Metagross's survivability against neutral hits without recovery.
Base Metagross's main niche is as an AV Pursuit Trapper, but despite resilience it faces competition as a Pursuit trapper from both Tyranitar and Bisharp (granted they handle PT-ing differently) and from Jirachi as a defensive tank with said typing.
Kurona pika pal but conk is slower and has less special bulk and stikl runs AV yes ita supposed to be eating scalds but metagross has better defensive stats overall and its faster putting in risk several special attackers... also can run stealth rock (of course Avless)... im not good enough to actually prove on the ladder if it is good buttheorymoning looks pretty C to me
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