it might be possible that there are two announcers in this game, one for day and one for night, just a thought
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Figured out a way to keep it all in one post (I should've thought to refresh the page).
I also figured out that the "post restriction" is for HD to post that village announcer thing in all of his posts.
I don't think HD should claim his role unless we feel that he is the best lynch target. If we're going to leave him alone regardless of whether he claims or not, he shouldn't claim. If we're only going to not lynch him if he claims, then he should claim so we can decide what to do from there.
ok i think the two points you're asking for responses are the hiding behind a claim and the timezone, right?
Hiding behind a claim is imo something that should not be done, but I still believe that HD should claim if and only if we're going to lynch him otherwise (meaning we have no better targets for the day). This is because, if his role is important, he will likely be targeted and we create a WIFOM-y situation as a result.
The timezone, yeah, that's really weird how active HD has become after being pressured so much when he had less activity (not even close to his current activity) previously. I mean, I guess IRL events could screw things up for him (just look at what happened to me) and a valid explanation is that you have more to respond to and talk about when you're under pressure, but I don't think he can use his timezone as an excuse anymore.
That was extremely convoluted but essentially, yes, I agree.
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vonFiedler what definition do you use for rolefishing? This game is actually the first time i've seen the term used iirc and I was thinking it meant something else than what you appear to be using it as.
vonFiedler what definition do you use for rolefishing? This game is actually the first time i've seen the term used iirc and I was thinking it meant something else than what you appear to be using it as.
Well, it's trying to determine someone's role. I'm just saying that the circumstances are different when we're looking specifically for an announcer, a role that is useful for nothing else but potentially cleaning someone (though they could be mafia too).
[vote]Jalmont[/vote]
Yeah, I actually like this a decent amount. It would be really nice to know if scum had a hand in starting up the Cancerous wagon, which would make one of Spiffy/Buttered more likely scum.
It also helps with early game interactions since his alignment would put them in a different light depending on what he flips. It's a high information flip that also has a good chance of flipping a scum.
Yeah, I actually like this a decent amount. It would be really nice to know if scum had a hand in starting up the Cancerous wagon, which would make one of Spiffy/Buttered more likely scum.
It also helps with early game interactions since his alignment would put them in a different light depending on what he flips. It's a high information flip that also has a good chance of flipping a scum.
The only person that should claim is Haunted Shadow because he already claimed power role.
If Haunted Shadow is not the announcer, the announcer should not claim because that helps mafia narrow down and makes it easier for them to rand more significant roles. Von you literally liked then unliked a post of mine explaining this lol
Amianki please elaborate on your reads.
If Haunted Shadow is not the announcer, the announcer should not claim because that helps mafia narrow down and makes it easier for them to rand more significant roles. Von you literally liked then unliked a post of mine explaining this lol
Amianki please elaborate on your reads.
Celever: This post is really town. I get a lot of genuine feels from this.
Jalmont: This post is really scum. It's nitpicky and trying to force a case with stretched logic and strawmans.
I already had a townread on VonFiedler and the interactions between him and Jalmont don't look like scum distancing from each other, so that only strengthens it.
Jalmont: This post is really scum. It's nitpicky and trying to force a case with stretched logic and strawmans.
I already had a townread on VonFiedler and the interactions between him and Jalmont don't look like scum distancing from each other, so that only strengthens it.
I liked your post, read post #615, then unliked the post and liked that one instead.
If you're going to keep repeating this, then please respond to post #675.
See post #617.vonFiedler said:
Uncounterclaimed power roles override any behavior someone has been exhibiting through the entire game. This game is a little different than ones in the past because we don't know the exact power role set up we have, but that is generally how I see it. This is why I want his claim: to see if he's counterclaimed and to deduce whether his pretty scummy behavior is worth pursuing or something we can move on from. I've explained my other reasoning regarding this already.vonFiedler said:
People like von and fate among others need to cast votes. That's the only way shit gets done around here, because we've seen time and time again people have no trouble just ignoring reads of them unless it's backed up by a vote.
lol
Notice how we've gone from discussing things that occurred in this game --> characteristics of people that have no relevance. Good distraction from the actual topic dude. n1. So are you trying to claim that this whole time you've been joking? If so, I hope you can forgive me for not finding it funny/missing the humor??
I am not angry whatsoever since you haven't called me out...for anything??? This doesn't make any sense considering you were the one who got really upset about a post about basically nothing. k
Maybe if so many people are having problem recognizing your humor, it's not a problem of other people but more of a problem of not being funny. /shrug
Not sure how that post can be considered a strawman given that von didn't defend himself there at that point so my post was basically expanding off my initial thought. I voted him as a result of his reaction not because of any particular behavior here today.
Interesting to see how a lynch on me would be "highly informational" considering I've maybe interacted with 3 people total (rough estimate???) but by all means if you think so, fair enough.
So 24 hours was more than enough time for this to stop mattering then;
So here is a vote:
Vote Spiffy
I know that when I pressured you the other day you had this long sappy post backing off and telling me things I like to hear, but even that rubs me the wrong way somewhat. You repeatedly insist on rolefishing HD, but I don't buy for a second that your hands are tied down by the current situation. If he has "scummy behavior worth pursuing", then pursue it! Honestly the amount you went after HD yesterday it made me think that at least one of you must be town, but you're also the one who completely called off that lynch when the going got hot. Still, I rather suspect that you are the Courier. Players have had vaguer suspicions of you, so there it is.
Otherwise, after reading Amianki's recent posts, I'm actually considering a Jalmont lynch. I think my pride got in the way of this to be honest. After the big deal I made on Day 1, about how his behavior could be townish then, I thought I was doing the right thing by resolving not to fall into his trap and lynch him only for him to end up being village. But that's how he was acting then. Today he's taken a lie and stretched it so far it's just ridiculous. But mostly I'm just glad that Amianki is thinking about the Cancerous lynch, and as a major instigator of that, Jalmont is a very solid target today. Still, I'd like to hear what others have to say. But I think people should definitely be more wary today than they were yesterday of him.
Jalmont said:
In every single post you have made you have accused me of being emotional. Now I cut right to why you feel that way, and you want to act like I'M changing the subjects. If it stings to turn the feelings talk back on you, you shouldn't keep bringing it up.
I call you out in literally every post I've made on this subject. You are being dense, perhaps intentionally, perhaps unintentionally (that's also calling you out (and that's a meta-joke)).
You do that a lot, don't you? At this rate you should just have your username changed to "so many people" (joke, maybe someone can explain it to you). You are not in fact everyone, and you are the only one who responds to my posts this way. So it's not me, it's you. How many others good players have called you out in the course of this game? Amianki, ButteredToast, Fatecrahsers, I'm sure I'm missing someone... how many players have defended you? Celever? Yeah, I'd ask for another lawyer (joke). I don't know how it's humanly possible for someone to have so little self-awareness, but there you are.
No, I'm saying that flipping the alignment of a controversial figure early on in the game will add a lot of context to associations at a point in the game where scum can't know how the game is going to go yet. It'll be easier to figure out everyone else's alignments based on what you are.
And even then it probably wouldn't be worth it if his play wasn't just so god damn suspicious today. I don't mean to harp on him, but I feel this point needs to be understood in regards to this post.
I'm trying to stress that you wouldn't lynch someone JUST because that might be true. Like, you aren't 50/50 on Jalmont being town/mafia, correct? It would never be "worth it" to lynch a villager just because information might be gained. This is only relevant if he is scummy.
i haven't lied about anything and i've said multiple times i'm voting based on ur reaction .....
oh ok my b that wasn't very clear i thought u were just saying something
so that's not an emotional post?
that string of posts is emotional - i didn't say anything about calling you mafia but you immediately jump to "bold lie" (which you still haven't said anything about lol...) and react with a "HOLY FUCK." why is that sort of reaction necessary to a post that wasn't even making a case on you? i don't see how it makes any sense that you think i'm projecting because...i'm calling you emotional...which you were - how else can you describe your reaction to my initial post? lol
i'm not being dense dude. you literally failed to understand my posts and i had to explain it multiple times to you so i wouldn't really be calling anyone else dense when you are the one failing to understand what i'm saying. i think i had to explain to you that you posted after a hammer occurred what.. two times after i initially pointed that out. you call me out for reading comprehension but it seems like that's an area that you are struggling with no? maybe you are the one being dense unintentionally....er i mean intentionally of course ;]
actually it was a reference to the fact that you said "humor on the internet is difficult to comprehend" - which implies that "so many people" do not understand humor and i thought that meant that other people didn't understand you humor (my b!) how do i do "that a lot"? please give instances in which i do that a lot, oh wait, just kidding it's just you moving to extremes as you always do because for some reason you lack some sort of capacity to recognize the single incidents are not representative of a whole (that's actually being dense btw)
what does "being called out by good players" have to do with anything? that's a completely subjective standard so i'm not sure what exactly that's supposed to me. i mean the posts of those people objectively don't mean more than anybody else. i mean, are you trying to say i'm mafia? or are you criticizing my play in general (which makes no sense either way). forgive me if i don't really give a shit about how the "good players" that you've cherry picked have "called me out" (which is a nothing phrase in any case, since that doesn't prove anything unless someone puts a lynch vote on it).
dude i honestly think you have problems - i understand that the internet allows people to act in ways that they can't in real life (not a joke) but your insistence on being so personal over a game (and basically a nothing post regarding the game) is something that i've never ever seen from another person( not a joke either). i know im p. dumb compared to ur high intelligence but congratz anyways xD
Wish we would get more vote counts so I would know how much time I have but put a couple of votes on me if you are thinking about voting me so I can write up a final post/take questions for the future. (because you guys will come back to my posts once i flip village? right??)
honestly idk at this point who is mafia. i think probably i can chalk von's reaction to "vonfiedler being the unique person that he is," the haunted diamond thing is weird but i don't really super feel like he's mafia. and other than that idk. would rather have me die then an afk person though but otherwise i'm down to not die. yeah
honestly idk at this point who is mafia. i think probably i can chalk von's reaction to "vonfiedler being the unique person that he is," the haunted diamond thing is weird but i don't really super feel like he's mafia. and other than that idk. would rather have me die then an afk person though but otherwise i'm down to not die. yeah
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Vote Jalmont
I know you're attempting to do my thing and be clever, but that's the actually probably the nicest thing you've ever said about me.
p. sure i've said nicer (since i'm not an asshole) lol
but np dude i'm glad you see it that way :]
Every vote doesn't have to be a wagon you nooblet. Votes cement someone into a stance that they can't back out of later, which is why casting them is important. It's counterproductive (and pretty suspicious imo) to not vote becausevonFiedler said:
1.) your opinions hold basically no value if you're not willing to even vote for someone you're suspicious of since you could just say "but I never voted for them so his mislynch wasn't my fault" etc.
2.) easier to catch bandwagoners this way (PokeguyNXB)
3.) evokes more pressured responses out of scum, making it more likely they'll slip
In fact, there's pretty much no reason NOT to have a vote on someone for practically the whole game (unless that would cause a premature majority in which case just vote for someone else).
Which post are you referring to where I tell you what I want to hear? Have you learned nothing from my playstyle this entire game? Most of the reason I am such a huge target for lynching is because I haven't conformed to anyone else's expectations and stand practically alone regarding many issues. Five star mafia play right there, "let me see how much I can isolate and single myself out because that is obviously the most effective way to survive til the end of the game".
Instead of forcing silent players to contribute and make concrete stances, (something I tried to do Day 1 by asking questions but everyone shot me the fuck down on that one) let's continue to harp on just how scummy Spiffy is just because that's the easiest thing to do. I get it, I'm not going to convince you that I'm village, but this doesn't give people the excuse to allow active lurkers to continue lurking and not worry about them until it's too late. I have no problem with people voting for me, but I do have a problem that everyone is ignoring active lurkers PokeguyNXB, Serious Bananas, and sunny004. I get that there's not as much to talk about them because they are less active, but this is why we need to FORCE them to be active.
I also really don't like how you fuel the incorrect assumption that a large fight between two players must mean that one of them is mafia. This has been proven time and again to be untrue, and seems to be an excuse for everyone to focus their attention solely on said fight.
I have responded to your (von's) allegations against me time and time again. Obviously I'm not convincing you and therefore won't waste my time or yours repeating my defense and arguing back and forth.
rssp1 Fatecrashers sunny004 PokeguyNXB Who are your top scum and town reads and why? After you answer, please cast a vote on someone (unless you're already voting for someone and I can't find it, or it would lead to majority).
Amianki what do you think of Serious Bananas, PokeguyNXB, and sunny004?
I fully expect Serious Bananas to follow through with his promise for a more in depth post and he is welcome to answer anything I asked of others.
Unvote Serious Bananas
Vote Fatecrashers
Has a lot of posts today but hasn't cast a vote for anyone all day (iirc). Doesn't seem to want to offend anyone and is playing pretty safely which is unhelpful at best. Sure, he has pointed some things out about certain people when asked, but does nothing to pursue his opinions. This in addition to his Day 1 which I have already explained why I am unsatisfied with makes him my best vote at the moment.
Sorry this post is a lot more ragey than I intended. :P
I think Amianki's reason for lynching Jalmont is shit. Von's I just don't understand and seems fueled by personal reasons. I want to know what changed von's mind about Jalmont, who he seemed to think was village on Day 1. I'd also like him to realize that not everyone that challenges or disagrees with him MUST be mafia. <3
Lynching someone because it would give us information is stupid, especially when the player arguing this hasn't even attempted to share their opinions on half the game.
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