why am i liar but when SB brings up the same thing he isn't?
It crossed my mind that he COULD be your mafia partner, but I don't really know him and have at least a little respect for him. Backing you as mafia would be a very poor idea at this point.
So I explained where he was wrong, and hopefully he'll see that.
Notice how as soon as someone other than me shows concern about a Pokeguy bandwagon, Jalmont switches his vote too.
Alright, as Jalmont failed to live up to his written contract that he'd make only one last post if voted for (this is a joke, but I wish it wasn't), I'm going to change gears.
Tomorrow I start a full time job. I'm not going to be as available, and when I am I probably won't have the time (and at this rate, certainly not the patience) to be as active and helpful as I have been.
Indecisiveness isn't bad really. The first NOC game I played I was very decisive. I was so certain who was mafia. I also lost the game for my team. So I see a bunch of people who could be mafia right now, and maybe they all are. I keep asking for outside opinions, but instead the most people have said (outside of Spiffy, Jalmont, and... Bananas I guess) is that they consider me the townest motherfucker in the game right now. Well, ok then. I think I know what I have to do.
Unvote
Vote Spiffy
You can consider this officially tunneling if it makes you feel better.
Initially on Day 1, Spiffy seemed pretty town to a lot of people, including myself. He posted a lot, and at a time when there wasn't much TO pay attention to his arguments seemed reasonable. But there's a smoking gun that we can't allow slip us by.
When he started a lynch against Haunted Diamond, he lied and said that HD had bandwagoned onto both of Fatecrasher's votes. This was the core of his argument, and it almost got HD lynched. No one noticed the lie at the time, I certainly didn't. But it was as simple as Fatecrashers having people look back and check to reveal this lie.
Then Lightwolf got on your case for behaving in a way that felt like he was trying to please the crowd. He's already made one post today mostly telling me things that I want to hear, and it actually lightened up the pressure I had on him for a while, but once it was clear that I wouldn't stop scumhunting him, his tactics changed. More on that later. Lightwolf only stopped lynching Spiffy because "other people agreed with him" (?). However,
he never revoked his arguments or felt that Spiffy wasn't scummy. He was merely being cautious.
Spiffy has also been rolefishing like mad. I explained in post #675 why this was never really important. He's put a lot of focus on getting HD's role out of him, explicitly asking for it on both Day 1 and 2. This serves no real purpose for the village. When it seemed like an HD lynch probably would happen, the lynch he started, he suddenly backpedaled and decided to go after the easy Cancerous lynch. If he was scum, and HD flipped village, this could have been very bad for him, esp since the lynch started as a result of lie he told.
And yes, I will keep talking about how he bandwagoned to lynch Cancerous, because he also put a lynch on PokeguyNXB for the SAME REASONS. In a respect, Spiffy certainly had more reason than many others to lynch Cancerous, he couldn't be expected to lynch himself. But it's the choice between him and HD that is very suspicious as illustrated above. But more so than that, after that lynch failed like it did, how can you justify going after yet another player who probably (like I won't soon) just doesn't have the time to be as active as the rest of us? These players are easy to lynch because they can't really defend themselves. I'm not condemning everyone who put a vote on him today, but there is a pattern with Spiffy.
And finally, Spiffy has lied so many damn times today that I should probably make a massive quote post to count them all, but, fuck, man. I've said it in NOC games past, but I sincerely believe there is no reason for a village to lie to get the results they want. At best it gives more power to one player than any frankly deserve, at worst it's something scum would do to get a mislynch. Now he's being kind of childish and just "no you"ing me on the matter, but the fun thing about a game where edits are against the rules is anyone can go back and see his lies plain as day. I even pointed them out in my posts, if it helps. Many have read these posts and decided that I was town, but I don't see why some have come out of it thinking Spiffy is neutral.
So this is what I want. If you trust me, I want you to vote for Spiffy. If he flips village, then you can put the blame entirely on me. But at this point, with us going around in circles, and with Pokeguy as a bad target, I'm going to step up and ask for this.
Mithril Haunted Diamon
Celever ButteredToast PokeguyNXB sunny004 Fatecrashers Amianki rssp1
Take your time if you wish, but before extensions are considered we have only around a day left.
Spiffy said:
Yet he conveniently disregards this when he sees that lying about it will help his cause!!! Also his stupid "format" argument is such a cheap way to try and get around the issue that he lied about me.
Well forgive me for giving you the benefit of the doubt at the time man. My viewpoint of you has changed to the point where I would say that first post was a lie.
Then why did you retell the story like you suspected him the whole time?
My story has always been that he was saying something blatantly untrue. I didn't think it was a lie at first, I thought it was Jalmont being daft. Now after Amianki's argument, in
hindsight I can see that he was stretching one big lie. And I've said what that is often enough that Jalmont's "I don't even know what he's talking about" is absolute bs.
[quote"Haunted Diamond"]Also von, if you are town, reply to jalmont's counter argument.[/quote]
At this point it's hard to even read his posts at all because it all runs together like crap. But I've found something I DO have to respond to, so fair enough.
Jalmont said:
Dude you literally make no sense. You sit here and use sensationalist language to make up for the fact that ultimately you don't pay attention to anything I say or actually try to have a constructive dialogue. BTW this right here is a blatant lie considering that I said I would vote pokeguy purely for self-preservation purposes. i explicitly said that i did not really like a pokeguys lynch. for someone who routinely calls people liars, you are clearly lying as justification for a lynch.
Is this your smoking gun by any chance?
Post #181
Jamont said:
Lynch Cancerous - i feel like your posts have been attempts at being village (i.e. posts that read as an attempt to say village things) when in reality they don't add anything to what we already know. i'm not a fan of recap posts to be honest because even though it looks nice, it doesn't tell me anything of what cancerous thinks about what's going on right now
Hoo boy. How are you going to talk yourself out of this one? In trying to call me a liar, you just blatantly lied.
Jalmont says he didn't instigate a lynch against Cancerous, and yet there is a post where he clearly did. Nothing is said in it about voting for him only for self-preservation purposes, in fact, he weren't even on the chopping block at the end of Day 1. If he did go back LATER and say such things, then he was also lying when he said that, as evidenced by post #181.
