Is King's rock banned in LC Stabmons? Shellder is insane with a 50% chance to flinch, priority and STAB in Water Shuriken
Yes.
Also, I'm willing to help. LC STABmons will be launched soon, now that I'm back to activity as normal. *-*
Is King's rock banned in LC Stabmons? Shellder is insane with a 50% chance to flinch, priority and STAB in Water Shuriken
I'm willing to help with AAA LC for this week and maybe next week (If I have time).
Yes.
Also, I'm willing to help. LC STABmons will be launched soon, now that I'm back to activity as normal. *-*
LC STABmons was already launched. No one was playing it. :/ If I'm going to be replaced, I'd appreciate at the very least the common courtesy of a head's up.
There is no reason to ban King's Rock. If there is an issue, I suggest banning Shellder, as it is the obvious issue. Still, Water Shuriken Shellder sucks ass compared to Corphish.
I meant VR and Threats, not a new thing @_@. Also, Archen may be banned. And King's Rock / Razor Claw are banned alongside Chatter in regular STABmons, and I'll enforce it here. Cloyster was the issue in STABmons, but it is not banned.
Okay, I've said this before and I will say it again: we are not applying bans because we feel they are analygous to those in standard STABmons. These are separate metagames, and contrary to belief, do not have identical rulesets, as LC STABMons is derived from a certain minitour. This is for consistency and to attract older members that participated in said tour.
There's less reason to ban Archen in STABmons. It's easily an S rank mon, but it's absurd to suggest that it may be banned
Edit: seriously, we had a whole discussion on NOT banning shit for little reason. In fact, I don't know why I'm being replaced.
I'm putting together a council, we will vote on it. Archen has high Speed, great power, and now has two excellent STAB moves to abuse. It resists priority, and even has utility to it. Do you really think it's healthy for the tier if it flat out wins games that lack a solid check to it? I don't. Is it banworthy? Undecided. Which is why I need a council.
We need a whole lot more discussion in this thread as to whether or not archen is OBVIOUSLY broken, as this was pretty sudden and literally happened over night lol, if something needs to be quickbanned then i'd want discussion from everyone and have everyone have time to do it, and considering we're trying to follow this guideline as much as possible, i'm not going to be adding archen into the banlist in the OP. I'm open to banning it if everyone believes it is very obviously broken and making the meta bad to play, but currently there is not enough support in this thread to do so.So this has been dead for a while - I spoke to tazz a couple of weeks ago, we decided that this should be a resource for the LC OM tour.
don't ban stuff unless it's really obviously too broken (e.g. archen in aaa), or there's precedent for the normal other meta (e.g. chatter in STABmons). Try to follow stuff that the normal OM does, this is so that it remains accessible to the OM crowd (so no unreleased moves in stabmons)
Honestly I never had a problem with King's Rock. Water Shurriken does jack shit damage to most bulky Pokemon, is very easy to wall / outspeed. It's chance to flinch (unless im mistaken) is the same odds of Hypnomiss missing.
That reasoning for Archen should probably be more concrete. Are you confusing this with AAA?
I can't say I know this meta, I've honestly hardly had a chance to really get into LC, but I feel that, at least on paper, it seems really, really good. It can effectively utilize a lot of good abilities to become, again, on paper, an absolute monster. For example, protean, gale wings, adaptability, even reckless could be good, aerilate would be a force. (Actually, it might be banned, I can't remember.)Archen does not need to be quockbanned. There are tons of solid checks in the way of Steel types. The fact that taking a strong hit always places it at a disadvantage causes issues maintaining momentum. No offense but I don't know why you think you're going to take charge all of a sudden, especially when you obviously haven't played enough of this metagame to recognize checks, or even that stuff like Shellder are actually pretty bad lol.
These bans are arbitrary, and extremely baseless. If you're going to hijack a project, I'd appreciate it if you did it right.
I can't say I know this meta, I've honestly hardly had a chance to really get into LC, but I feel that, at least on paper, it seems really, really good. It can effectively utilize a lot of good abilities to become, again, on paper, an absolute monster. For example, protean, gale wings, adaptability, even reckless could be good, aerilate would be a force. (Actually, it might be banned, I can't remember.)
I'm not saying it needs to be banned, but it def deserves a looking into.
Oh, guess I misread that. I'm feeling sheepish...He's talking about STABmons, not AAA.