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- Thread starter Mos Def
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At first I thought it fucking sucks. But then it has grown on me a bit.
Just too bad it won't outsell Curtis.
Just too bad it won't outsell Curtis.
Curtis was banging I Get Money was the bomb that song is so hot that I can't get ot of my head
well everytime a 50 album comes out, along with it comes 18023904 beef rumors to try to increase the sales...curtis is weak shit sans i get money tbh =/
lol immortal technique is good sure his swagger is weak but hes really underrated and has alot of good lines. who do you like then if apparently i have bad taste in music cause of one artist?
Kanye West is one of the few mainstream hip-hop artists I can actually stand. I'm sure his latest album will be just as good as his previous efforts. As long as it isn't too overplayed I will listen to it.
50 Cent is another matter, however. I hope he keeps to his word when he is outsold by Kanye.
50 Cent is another matter, however. I hope he keeps to his word when he is outsold by Kanye.
Sorry, but 8 Diagrams arrives mid-November to take the crown. I've always found Kayne West's work to be too preachy and self-important. Whenever rappers bring religion into the picture that seems to happen.
No offense, and I'm not speaking personally here, but generally in the hip-hop community, people view people who like Immortal Tech as people who don't understand what makes hip-hop good. I don't want to go in depth about it, but I recommend you read Can't Stop, Won't Stop, which is basically a detailed history of hip-hop culture; Tech is weak because he can't rock a crowd. Anyone (well, not anyone, but you know, a lot of people) can spit philosophy, but hip-hop is all about the people, and hip-hop is about rocking a crowd. In that respect, I actually have more respect for artists like 50 and Kanye, not because of their lyrics, but because, well, yeah, they know how to rock it.
I mean 50 is a wack emcee overall, but even the more philosophical emcees like Mos, Kweli, etc. know how to rock a crowd and spit what they want to say. You've gotta find that balance, and Tech just doesn't have it.
50 will outsell just because he's 50. Even if he is a (BAN ME PLEASE) and isn't that lyrically good, he will outsell. Unfortunately.
this part of your post really interested me, basics (not being facetious). the idea of 'what makes ____ good' is pretty subjective though, isnt it? i dont think its any one person's place to determine what makes hip hop good. haha but then again, i really cant blame you, or ANYONE who has that mindframe, as im guilty of it myself. i have a difficult time respecting people who like bands like nickelback, lol. i guess by nature we all have our ideas of what makes certain things definitively good.
as for this album, i havent listened to much of it, but i enjoyed it. i dunno, i dont really know shit about hip hop, and dont actively listen to much hip hop outside of anticon., but theres something about kanye i just like.
as for curtis, fuck that. as i said, i dont know shit about hip hop, but the little knowledge i have is enough to get me to realize that 50 cent is a fucking joke compared to the plethora of other options out there, lol.
No, 50 went back on his 'I'll quit solo albums if Kanye outsells me' as he realizes that it's a big possibility.
It's quite obvious as he was trying to cook up beef once again, but to no success, therefore it's a quiet 4th quarter for him in the news and what not. He might actually get something going if he went back to his Get Rich or Die Tryin' and before days. What a shame.
Basics don't tell people who is or isn't good. Music is opinonated. I mean you telling him why IT isn't good is like Hazerider and everyone else telling us that rap is shit. Don't be a hypocrit. =/
It's quite obvious as he was trying to cook up beef once again, but to no success, therefore it's a quiet 4th quarter for him in the news and what not. He might actually get something going if he went back to his Get Rich or Die Tryin' and before days. What a shame.
Basics don't tell people who is or isn't good. Music is opinonated. I mean you telling him why IT isn't good is like Hazerider and everyone else telling us that rap is shit. Don't be a hypocrit. =/
Um...Jesus Walks and All Falls Down are on his first cd..
I don't like 50 at all, but he can definitely appeal to people. He was a bad example. Chuck D had a really good quote describing how he felt that being like an internationally renowned hip-hop artist was a unique situation for a black man at the time. On the one hand, he had to rock it, otherwise people would lose interest in him, but on the other, he also wanted to make his rap political. Public Enemy is almost indisputably one of the greatest hip-hop groups of all time because they found the balance. Their music is fun to listen to, their production was good, and they were extremely political, but they never lost touch with the fact that hip-hop is, at its core, a primitive, beat-driven genre of music.
When hip-hop like first originated back in the early 70s, like back in the days of Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambaataa, like even before RSC and Crazy Legs, it was all about the DJs, right? Pete Jones, Kool Herc, all those guys. But it's easier to market emcees than it is to market DJs, so when rap went mainstream, with SHG, PE, etc. it became more about the emcees, but it's just... it's not the same if you don't have that double-stuff.
Rap didn't start out like rock did. Some of the greatest rock songs in the world don't have extremely meaningful lyrics, a lot of them do, but it's not necessarily what the genre is about. Hip-hop has always been about social consciousness, so that aspect has to be there, but with I Tech, he's like... well, he's honestly not a very good rapper, he's not good at presenting himself, he has bad stage presence, and he has trouble keeping a beat. He has a lot to say, but he doesn't know how to say it.
Also, I kinda like Tech once in a while. There are a couple songs by him that I like, but in general, he's just not too great.
hes outselling 50 so far.
and i know tech isnt the best and i can see why people dont like him, but he isnt horible and revolutionary volume 2 is a classic even though his first cd sucked, bu come on you cant compare him to PE ; /. and as for getting preachy he does but tbh even PE and KRs-One/BDP got preachy at times. its the weakness of political hip hop
edit. and 8 diagram isnt gonna be best of the year. no ODB more fish sucked and the crew ghostface is with now is bad i didnt even bother with raekwons new cd ; /
and i know tech isnt the best and i can see why people dont like him, but he isnt horible and revolutionary volume 2 is a classic even though his first cd sucked, bu come on you cant compare him to PE ; /. and as for getting preachy he does but tbh even PE and KRs-One/BDP got preachy at times. its the weakness of political hip hop
edit. and 8 diagram isnt gonna be best of the year. no ODB more fish sucked and the crew ghostface is with now is bad i didnt even bother with raekwons new cd ; /