Freedom of speech? Hardly..

This is freaking pathetic. It goes to show you that most (if not all) politicians are idiots. Kerry was questioned, and instead of a decent response the kid was arrested. Oh and some crowd for appluding the fact that he got arrested.
 
I'll leave aside the freedom of speech argument.

What I dont understand is why he was tased when he was already on the ground, surrounded and probably unable to move already and begging not to get tased. They had total control of him at that point, it seemed unnecessary.
 
Yeah that's what pissed me off moreso than the fact that he was being detained.

Yeah he was getting a little out of hand, but there was no reason to zap the kid when he was probably already freakin cuffed. And seeing as this is severly close to home for me.. (gainesville is what...a hour or so up the road from me?)

Also, you cant blame Kerry, it wasnt his fault, he even offered to answer the question. The campus security/rent-a-cops/real cops/whatever are the blame here, they arrested someone for oh...

Nothing?
 
Yeah, this is going to need a context check.

First, this guy rushed the mike after Kerry had stated he would take his final question at the event. Kerry did actually try to answer it, but the fact is the police get a little ornery when you rush towards a sitting US Senator, and likely got the signal to do it from an official.

Second, this kid was known for doing and saying all sorts of outrageous things for publicity. If you were being pulled over by the police, do you respond by flailing your arms and going "HELP! HELP! THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING ME! I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!" or do you go calmly and quietly?

I agree that the tasering was unnecessary, but that speaks more to the incompetence of the police force. The guy was obviously baiting them to do it "PLEASE DON'T TASE ME!" so they shouldn't have.

This is just like the last time a college kid got tasered. Apparently all you have to do to be a hero to some people is act irrationally, actively resist arrest and get tasered, and you too will get your fifteen minutes of sympathy and outrage on youtube. After all, why respect the police when a video of your bawling, flailing, and whining can go viral?
 
This is freaking pathetic. It goes to show you that most (if not all) politicians are idiots. Kerry was questioned, and instead of a decent response the kid was arrested. Oh and some crowd for appluding the fact that he got arrested.

Actually I believe some (if not a lot) of the crowd was supporting the student, you even heard a woman asking the police why the hell they were arresting him.
 
I was wondering when this would show up. The police at my school are notoriously Nazi-like, so it's not surprising that this kind of thing would happen here. :|

Okay, first of all, here's what happened: people were asking questions to Kerry after his speech. Right at the end of the Q&A session, he pushed to the front, because apparently he had a lot to say. He started asking a long string of questions without pausing, mostly super liberal stuff that nobody would take seriously - for example, he talked about a book that claimed Kerry had actually won the 2004 election, and why didn't he press for a recount of the votes to account for faulty electronic voting machines and disenfranchised black voters? That kind of crap.

Now, at some point they turned off his mike, because he was using profanity, ranting and raving, and it was the end of the Q&A session. I think the main reason they turned his mic off was when he started swearing. After this it all went downhill. He got pissed that they'd cut his mic, and police started trying to escort him out of the building. When he resisted more and more officers came to get him out. Eventually the struggle got worse and they had him on the ground, trying to handcuff him. When they still couldn't, they tasered him, cuffed him and brought him out that way.

What's fascinating about all this is how people can take an event like the one above, and use it for whatever they want. This has absolutely nothing to do with Freedom of Speech - he was at a university event, not acting with respect towards a Senator, ignoring what the event faculty around him was saying, etc. So he deserved to be removed, and his First Amendment rights weren't even remotely violated. He wasn't taken out because of what he was saying, but because he was being such a douche bag.

As a side note, I wonder if he really HAD to be removed had they just let Kerry answer his questions. At the beginning of the struggle, Kerry was saying, "No, it's okay, let me answer his question," etc. So even though he deserved to be ejected, Kerry didn't seem to bat an eye about his questions or his tone. He's a politician who ran for President, I'm sure he's handled worse people way before.

Anyway, this also isn't about whether or not he should've been arrested. I kinda already went over it, but this guy was being a moron and not cooperating with police. Honestly, even in a situation where the police are being unfair to you, it's probably a good idea to go along with it and fight back in court afterwards. Police are unfortunately given a lot of power and they're human beings too - without thinking it over, what implications it had, what kind of shitstorm would go down if they did it, they tasered the kid for no particular reason than, it appears, to make their job easier. Not doable, but easier.

Six fully-trained police officers couldn't keep under control a person without a weapon, not trying to hurt anyone around him, who was already on the ground?

Tasers are for people with guns. Knives. People posing an immediate threat to those around them. People trying to hurt others. Urgent, serious situations. This wasn't even remotely that kind of thing. It was a raving 21 year old Journalism student, the kind you'd find doing the same thing on campus daily, who didn't want to get ejected and was too stupid to act appropriately for what was going on. He wasn't someone trying to hurt anybody, and even yelled "if you get off me, I'll leave on my own", or something similar to that. Of course, it was too late, as he had already been a dumbass and was getting arrested either way. But I think it was pretty clear he wasn't the kind of person the police were handling that deserved a taser in order to be taken care of.

Of course, people are retarded though, and marched in protest yesterday and will march later today. Holding stupid signs about Freedom of Speech, and why didn't Kerry do more to stop what was going on, etc. But none of those things are what this is actually about.
 
Yeah, this is going to need a context check.

First, this guy rushed the mike after Kerry had stated he would take his final question at the event. Kerry did actually try to answer it, but the fact is the police get a little ornery when you rush towards a sitting US Senator, and likely got the signal to do it from an official.

Second, this kid was known for doing and saying all sorts of outrageous things for publicity. If you were being pulled over by the police, do you respond by flailing your arms and going "HELP! HELP! THE GOVERNMENT IS TAKING ME! I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!" or do you go calmly and quietly?

I agree that the tasering was unnecessary, but that speaks more to the incompetence of the police force. The guy was obviously baiting them to do it "PLEASE DON'T TASE ME!" so they shouldn't have.

This is just like the last time a college kid got tasered. Apparently all you have to do to be a hero to some people is act irrationally, actively resist arrest and get tasered, and you too will get your fifteen minutes of sympathy and outrage on youtube. After all, why respect the police when a video of your bawling, flailing, and whining can go viral?

Ladies and gentlemen, mark this day on your calendars: Deck Knight is COMPLETELY right. (just some chick too)

Anyone who is taking the side of the kid in this is either completely ignorant or an overzealous reactionary wannabe. The camera that was used to tape him WAS HIS OWN, he set this entire thing up to make some stupid pseudopolitical statement. He RESISTED FUCKING OFFICERS and got what was coming to him. End of story.
 
Isn't law enforcement required to inform you of why they're stepping in and forcing you to do something?

Hell no. If an officer says get off the microphone, you get off the microphone. If an officer says rape a chicken, you whip out your dick and have your way with that bird. And you do it without question.
 
tbqh I would make a fuss if I had to violate human rights due to a law officer. or break a law.
 
Hell no. If an officer says get off the microphone, you get off the microphone. If an officer says rape a chicken, you whip out your dick and have your way with that bird. And you do it without question.
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I dunno about American law, but I do no that in Canada, you're not required to obey police until you're placed under arrest. I mean don't get me wrong, it's still a really dumb idea not to listen to the police, but there's no legal obligation. From what I heard on the video, and from the comments the kid was making, it didn't even seem like the police had placed him under arrest for anything, or at least they didn't say what it was for. He was asking what he did wrong, and they were all like "GET ON THE FLOOR, OKAY!" I'm hardly an expert, but I'm like 99% sure that police have to actually arrest someone before they can cuff and taser him.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, mark this day on your calendars: Deck Knight is COMPLETELY right. (just some chick too)

i agree with this. it seems like he was overplaying everything as well, even after being tasered. and i dont know law or anything, but being tasered like that may have been justifiable with the way he was struggling. how many cops did he expect to jump on him before they started to use some kind of force.
 
The best part is Kerry actually did answer his questions while the student was being tasered.

I know he deserved to be kicked out of the hearing, and he deserved to be cuffed after he resisted arrest. But i just don't understand how four cops couldn't restrain and cuff the one student without tasering him.
 
I just want to point out how ironic the title of this thread is.

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I dunno about American law, but I do no that in Canada, you're not required to obey police until you're placed under arrest. I mean don't get me wrong, it's still a really dumb idea not to listen to the police, but there's no legal obligation. From what I heard on the video, and from the comments the kid was making, it didn't even seem like the police had placed him under arrest for anything, or at least they didn't say what it was for. He was asking what he did wrong, and they were all like "GET ON THE FLOOR, OKAY!" I'm hardly an expert, but I'm like 99% sure that police have to actually arrest someone before they can cuff and taser him.

I think people are confused about the definition of "arrest." Just because there isn't a warrant and they haven't read you your rights doesn't mean you aren't under arrest. The second he got dragged off the microphone, he was in police custody aka under arrest. Any problems he gave them after that (and there were MANY) only exacerbated the situation.

You're right, there's no legal obligation to listen to the police, I never said there was. But if you choose NOT to comply, you are acting suspicious and in defiance and those are grounds for taking you into custody. What this kid went way beyond just not listening, he struggled and fought against them.

As for the tasering: this might be the only part of the entire story that I'm remiss to say is completely okay. The thing is, it took four officers to subdue him and even get him on the ground, where he CONTINUED to struggle with them. They warned him they were going to taser him, and he still didn't comply, so they did. I'm sorry, but fuck him.
 
I agree with DM and Deck Knight. This has zero to do with freedom of speech, it was some college twit trying to make a political statement and flipping out when the police tried to take him off the mike. I'm positive if he had just gone with him he could have returned to his seat without an incident. And the taser thing, while okay, they didn't really NEED to taser him, there's no reason they CAN'T if they are having trouble subduing him, and the way he was shreiking was pretty obviously playing to the crowd and camera.
 
They warned him they were going to taser him, and he still didn't comply, so they did. I'm sorry, but fuck him.
Quoting this because it's only been mentioned once so far. His actions and words made it real clear -- particularly while he was being cuffed -- that he's an attention whore, and this is an issue of resisting arrest, not freedom of speech.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE -- that's a video from another perspective. In it, unlike the posted video, you can clearly hear the female officer warning him to "stop resisting" and "quiet down" which he didn't do.
 
Quoting this because it's only been mentioned once so far. His actions and words made it real clear -- particularly while he was being cuffed -- that he's an attention whore, and this is an issue of resisting arrest, not freedom of speech.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE -- that's a video from another perspective. In it, unlike the posted video, you can clearly hear the female officer warning him to "stop resisting" and "quiet down" which he didn't do.
Nice find, although I'd be surprised if this other perspective ever turns up in the news. Resisting arrest with force is a felony. And just listen to that guy- you can clearly hear the point where he stops yelling because he is hurt and starts yelling to extend the incident.
 
I'm not an expert on anything but I believe tasing someone that is on the ground already is completely useless. No matter if he is still struggling, christ you are 4 on top of him. All it does when it shocks is create a temporary state of numbness, which in most cases is used to make the person fall on the ground.

The police were just very dumb, they knew they were being filmed, they didnt need at all to tase but they did anyway. If this was indeed the kid's own camera, he got exactly what he wanted out of them. You definitely can see it as police brutality no matter how planned it was by the 'victim'.
 
I'm not an expert on anything but I believe tasing someone that is on the ground already is completely useless. No matter if he is still struggling, christ you are 4 on top of him. All it does when it shocks is create a temporary state of numbness, which in most cases is used to make the person fall on the ground.

The police were just very dumb, they knew they were being filmed, they didnt need at all to tase but they did anyway. If this was indeed the kid's own camera, he got exactly what he wanted out of them. You definitely can see it as police brutality no matter how planned it was by the 'victim'.
TBQH I think they did need to tase him, if you watch both videos he would lie down, then start spazzing out and try to run again. Either way it made him easier to remove, although in retrospect the media reaction outcome outweighs this.
 
Anyone else faceplam when he said "DON'T TAZE ME BRO"

bottom line is really when the police says shut up or we'll taze you, it's time to take your priorities into account. argue about it later, dont get tazed now.

whether or not it was necessary is a question of judgement and these guys were probbly hella stressed out by the situation. I'm not trying to victimize the cops, I'm saying there was plenty of opportunity for bad descisions in a situation like this.
 
DM and I see eye-to-eye on this subject. this "incident" has nothing to do with freedom of speech. i don't even think it has anything to do with police brutality. this is all about a pseudo-political activist who was being an obnoxious ass, who decided to go ask a bunch of asinine questions to prove some pre-conceived point he has and he went too far and got what he deserved. he disobeyed police and tried to fight back. he didn't listen. he was stubborn. he got tased. big deal. i applaud the UF police force for acting correctly to the situation, and I am disappointed in UF administration for sending 2 of the officers on "leave". It's kind of like Duke disbanding the lacrosse team after that liar said she was raped. People like to overreact to anything and everything, ESPECIALLY ignorant people.
 
First off this guy is obviously going over the top on everything. I mean come on its not even decent acting. Also after watching both of the movies it seems pretty obvious that even if the first video wasn't the guy's camera it is someone's who was wanting to bring attention to the guy. Its obvious cause at 2:10 in the first video it skips the whole part where he tries to run away as the cops are trying to bring him down.

Its like most of the people have already said it was just some douche overacting to get his point across and to get his 15 minutes of fame.
 
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