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GB_Packers_Ftw said:
Running the ball really doesnt mean anything tbh. If you look back in this thread on page 3 when i picked the packers to go to the superbowl and i openly stated we had no running game people laughed at me. Its Kind of like pokemon, they do what their best at. Geodude doesnt sweep teams well so why should he try? The packers are not best at running the ball. Their not as bad as LT is, but they can pass the ball and get some YAC. Why? Brett Favre is amazing. Blah Special teams Blah running game Blah. Look at the saints, two amazing running backs and compare their record to ours. Also considering our starting running back is out and we are still 3-0 agaisnt 3 playoff teams.

As for the cowboys i am thinking of who they all beat... the bears the dolphins and the giants. lmfao. The Vikings could be 3-0 agaisnt them. Ouch. Sure they may have put up some good numbers agaisnt the bears, but the Packers are better than the cowboys because we have beat better teams. We beat the chargers, eagles, and giants. Now unless your gonna tell me the chargers and the eagles couldnt beat the bears and the dolphins...id say the Packers are MUCH better than the cowboys
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Okay, I have to stop you now.

First off, LAST YEAR's playoff teams don't mean squat this year. Look at the saints, look at the bears. Ever heard of one year wonders? So saying that the Packers beat the Giants is a great accomplishment is simply invalid. Oh yeah, and who beat the Eagles? It sure as hell wasn't Farve, IT WAS THE EAGLES THAT DEFEATED THE EAGLES. Even Farve was upset after the game because they couldn't put the ball in the endzone. I will give you the Chargers game as a great accomplishment, but even so San Diego is an xy team... as in they are excellent year x and crappy year y. x=even years y=odd years

Moving on to running the ball. IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL. if you think the packers can go to the super bowl on farve's arm alone, you are mistaken. Eventually, you guys will be so one-dimensional and you are going to end up in a shoot-out with a team that you don't want to be flying with. Take a team like Seattle for example. I honestly don't think GB can defeat SEA because SEA can control the game namely through Alexander (well, if he's healthy). Despite how good or bad seattle's secondary is, Farve's butt is going to be on the sideline leaving him virtually useless. Also, I don't think you can beat Dallas. Sure, Dallas's strength of schedule isn't great, but they are BLOWING AWAY the compettion. As a panthers fan, I know that week 15 will be full of pain and misery.

However, you are in the NFC, and that gives you a superior advantage to the 16 AFC teams, because in the NFC, I believe a 9-7 team can go to the super bowl. NO TEAM is better than another. Not Carolina. Not Green Bay. Not Dallas. However, let me be PERFECTLY CLEAR. You cannot beat INdy and you cannot beat New England. That my friend, is all that even matters. If you can't defeat those two teams the shot of a super bowl ring are almost nonexistent.

That is my two cents.
 
redskins.

losing to the giants didnt make me happy at all.

especially with them 0-2.

Our offence is amazing.

Our defence isnt shit.

This is going to be a good year for the skins.
 
JTH said:
I agree with some of it but calling the bears one hit wonders is kinda ridiculous.
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By one hit wonders, I meant that they were not going back to the super bowl. and in the saints case, I meant that they would not go back to the NFC championship. Apologizes, I should have been more clear.
 
One the one hand, I think we will (Washington) be 9-7 to 11-5.

On the other hand, there is simply too much inconsistency and confusion at the head coaching level.

The last series against NYG is evidence of that - rushing the play, not seeming to have a sense of what is going on - nobody, save for Campbell, looked good in that drive.

Defensively, Gregg Williams is still not playing to his players strengths - Carlos Rogers is a physical bump and run cornerback; he needs to be playing press coverage at least 60% of the time, not giving 5-10 yard cushions. Even if he gets beat, that is why you have one of the 5 best safeties in the game in the backfield.

Even Smoot prefers to play man, which he didn't do enough of in the Miami game.

The fact is, the big plays are not coming over the top, they're coming as YAC when the secondary is having to make openfield tackles because recievers have room to run. (which no secondary should have to do at the rate the Redskins' does.)
 
Wake up bears fans. Your season is in serious danger. I mean, 1-3? Yeah, When I said Detroit would make the playoffs everyone laughed at me. Hopefully Calvin Johnson can stay healthy during the course of the year.
 
rbygsc kid 251, is there any real reason you use excessive caps and can't correctly spell Favre?

Anyway, I'm very glad the Packers are 4-0. "You need a running game" is just stupid. Sure, fake handoffs don't really work as much, but tell me what is better:
1: Running with one of the 2 rookie RBs who are doing nothing
2: Letting Favre pass with his underrated receivers (Jennings, Driver [ok maybe he's not underrated, but you never hear anyone talk about him], and even Franks)

Even with these RBs averaging like 2 yards per carry, you can still get things done by passing. Shaun Alexander at one point against the 49ers had 8 carries for 9 yards and they were still winning. I think it's smarter to say "You need a passing game" since I can't think of a good team that can't pass.

Even before the season, I was saying the Packers would win the division. I didn't really believe it, but by the way the other teams are playing (and since our defense is actually playing this year, I think that could happen. Also, look at our upcoming schedule:

Bears, Redskins, bye, Broncos, Chiefs, Vikings, Panthers, Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, Rams, Bears, Lions

I honestly can't see the Packers go worse than 13-3 ("wow you're stupid porygon3!") unless some major injuries happen, or if these teams have any miracles. Maybe 12-4.

Also, I sat Marvin this week and started Santonio Holmes. Unfortunately I'll still probably lose since I had Westbrook in and didn't know he wasn't going to play.
 
I use excessive caps to make a point. Probably not necessary.

I can't spell the last name of Green Bay's QB. It's just one of those words that are too tricky on my brain.

Packers going 13-3. Nah, your not stupid. GB's schedule is weak. I guess when I mentioned a running game I should have looked at Green Bay's schedule first. I don't think Manning needs an RB either.
 
Okay I want to point out one thing about the packers. Lets take a step back from their 4-0 record and look at the teams they beat. You have the Eagles (1-3), you have the Giants (2-2), you have the Chargers (1-3) and you have the Vikings (1-3). And the biggest competion in the division is the Detriot Lions. So will they win the division i dunno we will have to see how they do against Detriot. They are a good team but take a step back before you put them in the top tier with the Colts, Pats, and Cowboys.

And about my giants. They killed it on defense today. They were able to come up with a great scheme. Their offense was shaky. (Missed PAT, Missed FG, INT in redzone) But their offense will only get better once B Jacobs comes back. And who knows their two loses came against teams who are 4-0 plus they are playing in the NFC.
 
Holy shit Giants D. Umenyiora rampaged like a madman, 6 FUCKING SACKS.

The Pack are for real. The only bumps I see on their path are Dallas and Detroit.

The Bills won their first game, it was great. Edwards is making a big case to replace Losman, but we'll see how he does next week against Dallas on Monday night. (I'll be there!)
 
zerowing said:
Dear Giants,

Please learn how to play some defense.

Love,
me
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Giants responded:

Dear zerowing,

We understand your frustration with the team's defense so we have decided to make it our number 1 priority to come up with a good defensive scheme that can help us win games along with our high powered offense. We believe shutting down a 50+ point team a week ago should be proof we are attempting to shut down other teams offense. Once we get Brandon Jacobs we feel we are in a great position to go 14-2. We thank you for remaining loyal to your favorite team, it is very special to us.

Love,
The Giants

14-2 just won't be possible with the Giants schedule, but suddenly in the past 2 weeks they have showed they can do something on defense after being ranked almost dead last in every category. Hopefully something can happen and Eli will continue to do something special.

On the topic of the Packers, they haven't beat anyone special. The Eagles beat themselves and are 1-3, Norv Turner proves once again he sucks even with a 14-2 team, and the Vikings have no offense at all so the Packers didn't even need to score to beat them.

And I am sick and tired of Favre and his records he is breaking. Hes doing a Roger Clemens and fucking with everyones heads in the offseason, "I'm coming back," "no never mind," etc. If I was Aaron Rodgers I would be so pissed right now. Hes sat 3 years on the sideline and could potentially be limited in what he can do now. Favre is a me-first type of guy and I hate that in football.

I do like the time he laid down for Strahan though.
 
lol that Vikings-Packers game was actually pretty close but there were some questionable calls (benefitting both sides) throughout the game. I do have to give it to Favre for breaking that incredible record. In other news, the Vikings need to learn how to put the ball into the endzone.
 
I see the Broncos, Cowboys, and Lions putting up a fight against the Packers. Provided they all win, at best they'd be 12-4, but that's just me.

Also, Patriots last year didn't have too many passing threats yet they still made the playoffs.
 
I don't know, with the Lions defense playing this bad, I can't see them winning both games. I'll give them one, but I don't think they can win both.

Lutalo said:
The Bills won their first game, it was great. Edwards is making a big case to replace Losman, but we'll see how he does next week against Dallas on Monday night. (I'll be there!)
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I normally don't follow the Bills but he did do really good. I wish I could have watched that whole game, they switched to it for half an hour because of the lightning delay in Miami. Lee Evans did a lot better too, was that because of a new QB or just the defense they played?
 
porygon3 said:
I normally don't follow the Bills but he did do really good. I wish I could have watched that whole game, they switched to it for half an hour because of the lightning delay in Miami. Lee Evans did a lot better too, was that because of a new QB or just the defense they played?
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Everything finally clicked. Our offense controlled the ball, and that led to more passing downs and more opportunities for Lee Evans. (He had more receptions and yards yesterday than the entire season previous, total.) Because of the ball control, our defense didn't end up playing 40 minutes of football again and stayed fresh (plus they actually played pretty damn good, considering the injuries).
 
Tmnt Boy said:
Okay I want to point out one thing about the packers. Lets take a step back from their 4-0 record and look at the teams they beat. You have the Eagles (1-3), you have the Giants (2-2), you have the Chargers (1-3) and you have the Vikings (1-3). And the biggest competion in the division is the Detriot Lions. So will they win the division i dunno we will have to see how they do against Detriot. They are a good team but take a step back before you put them in the top tier with the Colts, Pats, and Cowboys.
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Alright, but you do consider the Cowboys with "the elite"???? Look at who they beat? The Dolphins, Rams, Bears, and Giants. THATS EVEN WORSE. Here's how i look at it.

The chargers beat the bears, and we beat the chargers. so one point for the harder victory to GB.

GB:1 DAL:0

We both beat the giants, so yeah that cancels.

GB:2 DAL:1

The Dolphins are 0-4 and the Eagles are 1-3

Gb:3 DAL:1

The Rams are 0-4 and the Vikings are 1-3

GB:4 DAL:1

gg Romo, come home and play for us in a few years why don't ya?

Now everyone is going to say- blah strength of schedule doesnt matter this early. And by posting this I may just be prooving that. We'll see when the pats play the cowboys. Then again i predicted 13-3 for the Packers losing to the cowboys, broncos and some other random divisional upset. But the way we look this year is amazing and i wish i could change my predictions to 16-0.
 
GB_Packers_Ftw said:
Alright, but you do consider the Cowboys with "the elite"???? Look at who they beat? The Dolphins, Rams, Bears, and Giants. THATS EVEN WORSE. Here's how i look at it.

The chargers beat the bears, and we beat the chargers. so one point for the harder victory to GB.

GB:1 DAL:0

We both beat the giants, so yeah that cancels.

GB:2 DAL:1

The Dolphins are 0-4 and the Eagles are 1-3

Gb:3 DAL:1

The Rams are 0-4 and the Vikings are 1-3

GB:4 DAL:1

gg Romo, come home and play for us in a few years why don't ya?

Now everyone is going to say- blah strength of schedule doesn't matter this early. And by posting this I may just be proving that. We'll see when the pats play the cowboys. Then again i predicted 13-3 for the Packers losing to the cowboys, broncos and some other random divisional upset. But the way we look this year is amazing and i wish i could change my predictions to 16-0.
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The cowboys have outscored their opponents 151-72

The Packers have outscored their opponents 98-66

Total offense Cowboys ranked 1st Packers ranked 12th
Passing Offense Cowboys ranked 3rd Packers 2nd
Rushing Offense Cowboys ranked 6th Packers 32nd
Total Defense Cowboys ranked 8th Packers 19nd
Passing Defense Cowboys ranked 2th Packers 12nd
Rushing Defense Cowboys ranked 7th Packers 15nd



Those are the stats read them.
 
GB_Packers_Ftw said:
Alright, but you do consider the Cowboys with "the elite"???? Look at who they beat? The Dolphins, Rams, Bears, and Giants. THATS EVEN WORSE. Here's how i look at it.

The chargers beat the bears, and we beat the chargers. so one point for the harder victory to GB.

GB:1 DAL:0

We both beat the giants, so yeah that cancels.

GB:2 DAL:1

The Dolphins are 0-4 and the Eagles are 1-3

Gb:3 DAL:1

The Rams are 0-4 and the Vikings are 1-3

GB:4 DAL:1

gg Romo, come home and play for us in a few years why don't ya?

Now everyone is going to say- blah strength of schedule doesnt matter this early. And by posting this I may just be prooving that. We'll see when the pats play the cowboys. Then again i predicted 13-3 for the Packers losing to the cowboys, broncos and some other random divisional upset. But the way we look this year is amazing and i wish i could change my predictions to 16-0.
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Your scoring system is shit. You beat 3 1-3 teams and the giants. You act as if Green Bay has completely steam rolled through the NFL. Oh yeah and 1-3 teams and 0-4 teams are virtually on the same level with their preformance. So to give GB a point for beating the Vikings and Eagles and Not give the Cowboys a point for beating the Rams and Dolphins is a complete joke. Also, the giants beat the Eagles so according to your logic, the Eagles victory means absolutlely nothing.... it's garbage.

EDIT: I just want to be clear that I'm not taking away from Green Bay's accomplishment. It is fantastic that they are 4-0; however, in the NFL only 1st place matters. No one remembers the losers of the playoffs or the super bowl. Even if GB steamrolls all the way to the super bowl, they will meet a swift end against the colts or patriots. Then, we will remember them as the first loser.
 
As a Skins fan it pains me to say this, but Dallas is legit.

They're still a notch below Indy/New England, but they're definitely the NFC favorites (though the NFC is crap...)

Detroit is a legit playoff team, and they should get that WC spot; their offense is sick, and they have 4 game-breaking wideouts (all young too).

Speaking of Washington, I still consider us a playoff team, even after the disaster against NY, but we need to get healthy, and we need more discipline. But the talent is there, and Jason Campbell literally gets better every game.
 
rbygsc kid 251 said:
However, you are in the NFC, and that gives you a superior advantage to the 16 AFC teams, because in the NFC, I believe a 9-7 team can go to the super bowl. NO TEAM is better than another. Not Carolina. Not Green Bay. Not Dallas. However, let me be PERFECTLY CLEAR. You cannot beat INdy and you cannot beat New England. That my friend, is all that even matters. If you can't defeat those two teams the shot of a super bowl ring are almost nonexistent.
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Funny, seeing as how everyone said the same thing last year before Dallas tainted Indy's undefeated record. (Dallas was also the only NFC last year with a winning record against the AFC.) Granted, you may have specifically been refering to the Packers, but I hear enough about the whole 'AFC superiority' thing these days and it's really not as bad as many make it out to be. The Pats and Colts are mostly above and beyond the NFC themselves, but the rest of the conference is hardly head-and-shoulders above their NFC counterparts too. Pittsburgh is no better than Dallas, St. Louis and Miami are both terrible. Besides, the NFC had a far longer stranglehold on Super Bowl victory than the AFC is liable to reach.

The Bears aren't going anywhere this year. Their defense has been ripped apart by injury and their offense somehow managed to get even worse than last year's.

As an aside, I'd rather have a passing game and no running game than have a running game with no passing game. The passing game can simulate the running game to extent, like a West Coast offense, running frequent screens and passes to the flats. The passing game can catch you up playing from behind and plays can be designed for big gains. If you're purely worried about running the clock out, even a poor running game (as long as the runner doesn't fumble) can pound it up the middle for minimal yardage and drain time. Vice-versa, you can't expect a run to break deep and a bad running play doesn't stop the clock like a bad (incomplete) passing play. Despite their league-worst rushing, the Packers are currently more than well off with their passing game and their strong defense.

Take note that the Eagles were without their starting LT and Westbrook. Osi put that guy to shame so badly I can't even blame the backup for sucking, he needed help from a TE/backfield chipper and Reid didn't give him any all night. As usual, too few running plays too. I'm surprised the Giants didn't put McNabb back on IR, that offense was atrocious.

Every "good" team has an apparent "soft" schedule so far. We're only four weeks into the season, a third of the losses to Dallas/NE/Indy/etc. came against those teams themselves. It's like saying every 1-0 team sucks because they beat an 0-1 team olol; you're holding their wins against them. Nonetheless, you can only play who's on the schedule. At least for Dallas and NE, they've completely dominated their competition thus far thereby showing how much stronger they should be than their "weaker" opponents.

Lolskins need to get their head out of their asses, because they could be a playoff contender. Playcalling against the Giants was horrendous, and Campbell needs to stop overthrowing wide open downfield receivers so much. Anyway, go Cowboys!
 
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