What is it that prevents Suicune from surviving in OU?
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I think that's a question to ask the SQSA OU thread here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...the-op-first-now-with-100-more-rules.3542207/
Though it is B+ on the OU Viability Rankings so I would guess it can survive pretty well as a bulky CMer/Phazer in OU
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Can we have a suspect test too? I don't like how UU is being left out of the Suspect Test trend.
Mandatory free victini post
Relevant now, is there anything not super broken? I feel like Zygarde is manageable now.
Relevant now, is there anything not super broken? I feel like Zygarde is manageable now.
Agreeing for the sake of a Suspect Test and nothing else.
A suspect test wouldn't be too bad of an idea, it will help us get to know who the suspect is like. (Remember before the Daunt retest we all thought "DAUNT IS CANCER" and guess what, it's UU now) Although no Zygarde, I don't wanna waste a slot on Zong just to kill Zygarde.
I mean, it probably makes a little more sense for Zam meta to stabilize before recklessly trying to suspect test a Pokemon. Relatively speaking, introducing a suspect test now would dilute the potential results solely based on the fact that Alakazam will skew the impacts of said suspect. But that's just one man's opinion so whatever works.
I am not too keen on Zygarde or Victini coming into the tier, the wallbreaking power and metagame centralizing those 2 bring would be a little 2 much. But I would like to see some in depth discussion on the possibility of these mons coming to UU, and what it would be like, or if they should, etc.
I mean.. It's been a while since we last suspected Volcarona.
Maybe it won't be so bad this time. I'm sure the 1,734th time's the charm.
Maybe it won't be so bad this time. I'm sure the 1,734th time's the charm.
I don't see how Zygarde got any more manageable than the last time it was tested, where the same old "things have changed it definitely won't be broken now!!!" argument came up. Everything else other than Victini is (hopefully) obviously dumb so yeah. For the record, nowhere near everyone thought craw was obviously dumb from the beginning because shit like Mence dropped and made it more manageable and it got tested so whatever.
Going to answer this, but pls stop talking about suspects in this thread.
Nothing needs to be suspected in UU right now. Gyarados ended up being fine, and Alakazam is something we had experienced before and seems fine as well. Retesting anything for whatever reason in the middle of the SPL, which is one of the two official tours with UU representation, isn't really an option. Why rush things unnecessarily? In the past few months we got Zapdos, Sableye, Gardevoir, Crawdaunt, Gyarados, Alakazam and less important Pokemon, so it's not like the tier is stagnant at this moment
Other tiers having suspects is irrelevant.
I am running florges on my team, based around stalling until my PZ can sweep, as a cleric and a check to fighting types and I've noticed that I'm weak to nidoking. Thoughts on switching it for this espeon set:
Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
Espeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Bounce
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell
Why isnt Rotom-Frost even ranked in the VR? Being the only pokemon in the game with STAB bolt-beam coverage and a better spamable move in Blizzard rather then Overheat or Leafstorm makes him better offensively then Rotom-Heat or Rotom-Mow. It has less resistences and less switchins then other Rotom forms but the same 107 base defense, 105 base Sp. Atk and 107 Sp. Def which is still pretty good for an offensive mon. Scarf and Specs set seem pretty viable. Other then that it gets nice support moves like the other rotoms in Wisp, Trick, HP of your choice and pain split. It isnt really outclassed by anthing. Is there a reason that I am completely missing?
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I'm not completely onto reasoning and such since I've never been one to catch onto general consensus well but I believe it's due to a few things. The first of which is that both of the other Rotom formes that made it into the UU tier have both offensive and defensive utility which makes them more useful overall whereas Rotom-Frost doesn't have the luxury of being decent defensively whatsoever (yes, the defenses are good for an offensive 'mon but if the typing wasn't so bad defensively, then it may have been decent). Moreover, Rotom-Frost is entirely dependent on Blizzard for any decently strong STAB. While Rotom-C and Rotom-H both have a secondary STAB that lowers their SpA by two stages, it's better to have this one time nuking power over an inconsistent STAB attack you'd want to rely on. That's why I believe it's not even ranked on the VR but yeah I could be wrong.
I can see that its typing can leave it a bit back when it comes to switchins but rotom-mow isnt that great for switchins ether(pretty much only the water resist is decent over rotom-frost). While blizzard is inaccurate it has the big advantage of not giving the opponent free setup turns and allowing it to clean up better then the other rotoms which is better for scarf sets. Blizzard isnt even that much weaker then overheat and leaf storm too. Plus with bolt-beam coverage you get a free moveslot which other rotoms mostly cant afford.
My feeling is most people just forgot about rotom-frost. I am not saying it should be ranked higher then the other rotom forms but C+ or even B- seems fair to me.
this is not the Viability Ranking thread for us to discuss this but if you wish Rotom Frost to be ranked you should try to build around it and grab some replays so you can somewhat prove its viability. Rotom-Frost lack of switchins opportunities, bad defensive typing and innacurate STAB is probably what holds it back from not only UU but also RU and NU. it's easier to see its "pros" (only mon with STAB BeamBolt coverage) but I guess there are some reasons for it not being ranked or being a PU mon for that matter.
The best set is the Critdra set which is a simple Max SpA / Max Spe Modest nature with Agility, Focus Energy, Hydro Pump, and Draco Meteor and Scope Lens. This makes it so the Draco drops don't matter should you get setup. The problem it is never run is because of how hard it is to set up. It it too slow without Agility and not guaranteed the damage without Focus Energy.
Apart from the critdra set that NV talked about, The really only other way to utilize kingdra is through a dedicated rain team. It's viable with mons like tornadus to set rain for it and other rain sweepers to compliment its wall breaking capabilities.
I've used Sub DD Kingdra with Dual Stabs pretty well. It works best on rain, but that and the Critdra set are the two best, and the first is outclassed by other dragons.
Espeon doesn't really have the bulk to take on fighting types, especially since many of them carry Knock Off. It takes over 50% from a scarf Mienshao's High Jump Kick, for instance. If you want a wall that can take on fighting types as well as Nidoking, you might want to try Cresselia. Just watch out for Heracross and Toxic.
Cresselia (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Calm Mind / Thunder Wave
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psyshock
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Calm Mind / Thunder Wave
