Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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Cresselia~~ said:
How the hell does he know though
His Japanese obviously is not good enough for any jobs in Japan, not to mention Pokemon related jobs.
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Pictures, most likely.
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Pikachu315111 said:
Which is why I said, if they do use Zygarde, they could give it new version exclusive Formes. If there are two Zygarde Cores then I think it makes sense. Red Core will have a Forme that has its red color come through and be something related to the Sun. Meanwhile Blue Core's will do the same with blue an being something related to the Moon. Also I'm saying it's a 75% Forme as that way they could have them have a BST of 680 thus letting Perfect having a BST maybe equaling the Kyurem Formes or Arceus. Heck, they could also give it a 25% Forme (As I vision it, 10% is 480 BST, 25% is 580 BST, 50% is 600 BST, 75% is 680 BST, and finally Perfect is 700/720 BST), though I doubt that Forme would be on the cover.
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But why focus on designing new formes for an old pokemon when the same development time could be used to just make two new legendaries? Sure, it makes sense if you make Zygarde the main focus of the story, but I'm pretty sure they would just rather add a new duo rather than work on an older pokemon since it would allow for more story-related freedom.
 
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Theorymon said:
Just a warning, according to Serebii on NeoGAF, there may be NOTHING related to Pokemon in this corocoro x_x http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198134585&postcount=4578
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Looks legit, since CoroCoro just leaked. The news so far is... *drumroll*... a Volcanion distribution event in Japan.

serebii said:
The first images from CoroCoro have leaked and have revealed the distribution details for Volcanion. Volcanion will be distributed in Japan as the pre-booking ticket distribution for the movie, Volcanion & The Ingenius Magearna. It will run from April 16th through July 15th but can be redeemed until September 30th via a Serial Code distributed with the movie ticket. It comes at Level 70 with the moves Steam Eruption, Overheat, Hydro Pump and Mist and comes holding a Rage Candy Bar . We'll bring more as it comes
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Hooray.
 
Project_Mars said:
If it's the region that the backpacker who gives you the Strange Souvenir is from, then according to the item's description:

Sure there's an ocean to the west of Kalos, but when the description says Far from Kalos... it's more than a simple boat ride.


Putting the two different cores seems pretty bad from a design standpoint and could lead to some parental angst when Christmas/birthday shopping. (Pro Tip: Never underestimate someone's inability to read a game cover, especially when a lot of them are in one place. Trust me, I know from experience, they do kinda run together.) Having the covers be fairly visually distinct seems best, meaning the Pokemon shown should be different. Granted, with Zygarde it's not that big of an issue since there are 4 formes that are fairly distinct. Pick two, and you got the covers. That said, cover legends tend to be fairly popular additions to the Pokedex, so why wouldn't they want to make new ones? And if they are going to make new ones, why not focus the story around them? Heck, If they do make version exclusive legendaries, but focus the story around Zygarde... why put them on the box when they aren't significant to the story? Plus I doubt their development takes a lot more time compared to other Pokemon. Even then, since they have usually been a major part of the story the extra time doesn't seem a waste, since their creation would tie in with, or be a good starting spot for the world building they would already do as part of making the game.
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I remember reading an interview that went about how they spent a lot more time on cover legends and starters. I'll have to see if I can find it after class today. As far as why they won't want to make new ones: tome, saving ideas, want to make good use of Zygarde. Those are just off the top of my head as well. I have never personally had issues with reading game covers, and I don't think my parents have either. Partly, this might be because my parents spent a lot of time listening and pay close attention to what I said and when it came to read covers they knew what I wanted. So, I guess I don't see an issue with reading covers? Eh, but maybe I am in the minority there. I am not saying that Zygarde has to make the covers, I personally would like him too, but their is a lot of reasoning to why they could go with him with the only real reason not to is new legends/we are making him an anime only thing.
 
The_Emperor said:
We all thought it would never happen...but finally...after 1 billion years after the release of X and Y...

Is it possible Magearna is going to be the mascot legendary for one of them? I feel like she represents either sun or moon...
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She is a Mythic, so I doubt it. I have a feeling she may pull a "Victini" and be that pokemon you get for buying the games early enough.
 
Codraroll said:
Looks legit, since CoroCoro just leaked. The news so far is... *drumroll*... a Volcanion distribution event in Japan.
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Slightly disappointing, but not unexpected. Better luck next month.

pharaohcalvin said:
I remember reading an interview that went about how they spent a lot more time on cover legends and starters. I'll have to see if I can find it after class today. As far as why they won't want to make new ones: tome, saving ideas, want to make good use of Zygarde. Those are just off the top of my head as well. I have never personally had issues with reading game covers, and I don't think my parents have either. Partly, this might be because my parents spent a lot of time listening and pay close attention to what I said and when it came to read covers they knew what I wanted. So, I guess I don't see an issue with reading covers? Eh, but maybe I am in the minority there. I am not saying that Zygarde has to make the covers, I personally would like him too, but their is a lot of reasoning to why they could go with him with the only real reason not to is new legends/we are making him an anime only thing.
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Eh, it's more aestetics than readability, at least in my opinion. Having two different games on the same console use practically the same pokemon for the cover seems extremely bland. And again, it part of creating the legendary pokemon involves creating stuff for the story, it isn't much of a net loss of time since you are getting two things that need to be worked on done at the same time. I'm pretty sure that they'll run out of ideas for regular pokemon before they run out of ideas for legendaries, and stories involving them, due to the amount of mythology/stories they can pull from. Heck, if they do make the titles relevant to the story, there's a plethora of Sun and Moon Gods and godesses they can pull ideas from, since those were fairly common objects of worship.

As for making good use of Zygarde... What kind of main story arc could you envision with it playing front and center? It's power seems to be related to revitalizing the Kalos ecosystem in case it goes out of wack, which doesn't seem to be something that an evil organization would covet too much. Perhaps if the way it fixes the ecosystem results in mass destruction and genocide... but that would be two different antagonists with the same kind of end goal back to back, which would be kind of dull. (Considering Lysandre is as dead as Norwegian Blue in a Monty Python skit, it would have to be someone different.) Perhaps a Delta Episode-type side story arc could be done with it, though. However, and maybe I'm wrong but, I don't see there being enough there to make a story that doesn't step on the toes of XY's story.
 
pharaohcalvin said:
She is a Mythic, so I doubt it. I have a feeling she may pull a "Victini" and be that pokemon you get for buying the games early enough.
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To be fair, we don't really know it Magearna's a mythical yet. The only pre-gen Pokémon advertised in a movie so far has been Manaphy; otherwise the pre-gen big advertisement 'mon have been the Latis, Lucario, Zoroark and Mega Mewtwo Y. Magearna definitely reeks of being an event 'mon and that's my current theory but we don't know for sure.
Also worth noting that event 'mon tend to be the thing advertised in a movie during the gen and not before it due to how few there tend to be - the only exception being Manaphy and that's because there were like three other event 'mon they could rely on to whore out during Gen 4. What we can gather from this is either that Magearna is not an event; they have way more Pokémon this gen; or it's going to be a short gen with less movies. I'm personally going with the latter due to BW.
 
Kurona said:
To be fair, we don't really know it Magearna's a mythical yet. The only pre-gen Pokémon advertised in a movie so far has been Manaphy; otherwise the pre-gen big advertisement 'mon have been the Latis, Lucario, Zoroark and Mega Mewtwo Y. Magearna definitely reeks of being an event 'mon and that's my current theory but we don't know for sure.
Also worth noting that event 'mon tend to be the thing advertised in a movie during the gen and not before it due to how few there tend to be - the only exception being Manaphy and that's because there were like three other event 'mon they could rely on to whore out during Gen 4. What we can gather from this is either that Magearna is not an event; they have way more Pokémon this gen; or it's going to be a short gen with less movies. I'm personally going with the latter due to BW.
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Magearna was flat-out called a Mythical when it was revealed.
 
Kurona said:
To be fair, we don't really know it Magearna's a mythical yet. The only pre-gen Pokémon advertised in a movie so far has been Manaphy; otherwise the pre-gen big advertisement 'mon have been the Latis, Lucario, Zoroark and Mega Mewtwo Y. Magearna definitely reeks of being an event 'mon and that's my current theory but we don't know for sure.
Also worth noting that event 'mon tend to be the thing advertised in a movie during the gen and not before it due to how few there tend to be - the only exception being Manaphy and that's because there were like three other event 'mon they could rely on to whore out during Gen 4. What we can gather from this is either that Magearna is not an event; they have way more Pokémon this gen; or it's going to be a short gen with less movies. I'm personally going with the latter due to BW.
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Well since Sun & Moon have been announced and are coming out this month I don't see the problem with it being announced now and being a mythical, especially if they plan on having it help advertise SM like they did with Victini. Remember you gotta think if it makes sense through an advertising way of thinking since the anime is just an advertisement for the games. Like you mentioned Manaphy being released early, well that was because Pokemon Ranger was released at that time (we had a Pokemon Ranger as a main character in the movie).
 
Pikachu315111 said:
Well since Sun & Moon have been announced and are coming out this month I don't see the problem with it being announced now and being a mythical, especially if they plan on having it help advertise SM like they did with Victini. Remember you gotta think if it makes sense through an advertising way of thinking since the anime is just an advertisement for the games. Like you mentioned Manaphy being released early, well that was because Pokemon Ranger was released at that time (we had a Pokemon Ranger as a main character in the movie).
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Well, because events generally get a movie a year or so after the game is announced - not before. They're generally designed to increase longevity of the games without actually having to make new games; keep interest up by advertising a new Pokémon every now and then. That's why most pre-gen reveals aren't events - they're normal Pokémon or on occasion legendaries. For Gen 4 it didn't matter that they had Manaphy advertised beforehand because they had three more to use throughout the gen and, as you said, they were advertising Ranger with it anyway.
I didn't say it's a problem, just that the fact they're using an event mon before the actual gen comes out is pretty interesting compared to what event mon are used to do. Kinda goes along with Game Freak being bizarre in not giving us a direct Kalos follow-up, I guess.
 
Project_Mars said:
As for making good use of Zygarde... What kind of main story arc could you envision with it playing front and center? It's power seems to be related to revitalizing the Kalos ecosystem in case it goes out of wack, which doesn't seem to be something that an evil organization would covet too much. Perhaps if the way it fixes the ecosystem results in mass destruction and genocide... but that would be two different antagonists with the same kind of end goal back to back, which would be kind of dull. (Considering Lysandre is as dead as Norwegian Blue in a Monty Python skit, it would have to be someone different.) Perhaps a Delta Episode-type side story arc could be done with it, though. However, and maybe I'm wrong but, I don't see there being enough there to make a story that doesn't step on the toes of XY's story.
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I expect Zygarde to revolve more around the post game

But tying him directly into the plot isn't hard, it would likely have something to do with him being the "center". We will have a sun and moon pokemon and a life and death pokemon, we're already looking at a pattern of cycles. So Zygarde would be the "Earth" in relation to the sun/moon and in turn be the balance between life and death. If we wanna stretch this a bit, that would also give the Sun pokemon some correlation to Xerneas and the Moon pokemon some corelation to Yveltal. In a sense of "The Cycle of Beginnings and Endings".
 
satchmo said:
I expect Zygarde to revolve more around the post game

But tying him directly into the plot isn't hard, it would likely have something to do with him being the "center". We will have a sun and moon pokemon and a life and death pokemon, we're already looking at a pattern of cycles. So Zygarde would be the "Earth" in relation to the sun/moon and in turn be the balance between life and death. If we wanna stretch this a bit, that would also give the Sun pokemon some correlation to Xerneas and the Moon pokemon some corelation to Yveltal. In a sense of "The Cycle of Beginnings and Endings".
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This has been suggested before. A possibility, but nothing more to go on beyond night and day being well known as symbolizing life and death in other cultures.
 
Kurona said:
To be fair, we don't really know it Magearna's a mythical yet. The only pre-gen Pokémon advertised in a movie so far has been Manaphy; otherwise the pre-gen big advertisement 'mon have been the Latis, Lucario, Zoroark and Mega Mewtwo Y. Magearna definitely reeks of being an event 'mon and that's my current theory but we don't know for sure.
Also worth noting that event 'mon tend to be the thing advertised in a movie during the gen and not before it due to how few there tend to be - the only exception being Manaphy and that's because there were like three other event 'mon they could rely on to whore out during Gen 4. What we can gather from this is either that Magearna is not an event; they have way more Pokémon this gen; or it's going to be a short gen with less movies. I'm personally going with the latter due to BW.
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I feel like Magearna will be a legendary as her design bares some resemblance to Diancie's design...
 
Project_Mars said:
Slightly disappointing, but not unexpected. Better luck next month.


Eh, it's more aestetics than readability, at least in my opinion. Having two different games on the same console use practically the same pokemon for the cover seems extremely bland. And again, it part of creating the legendary pokemon involves creating stuff for the story, it isn't much of a net loss of time since you are getting two things that need to be worked on done at the same time. I'm pretty sure that they'll run out of ideas for regular pokemon before they run out of ideas for legendaries, and stories involving them, due to the amount of mythology/stories they can pull from. Heck, if they do make the titles relevant to the story, there's a plethora of Sun and Moon Gods and godesses they can pull ideas from, since those were fairly common objects of worship.

As for making good use of Zygarde... What kind of main story arc could you envision with it playing front and center? It's power seems to be related to revitalizing the Kalos ecosystem in case it goes out of wack, which doesn't seem to be something that an evil organization would covet too much. Perhaps if the way it fixes the ecosystem results in mass destruction and genocide... but that would be two different antagonists with the same kind of end goal back to back, which would be kind of dull. (Considering Lysandre is as dead as Norwegian Blue in a Monty Python skit, it would have to be someone different.) Perhaps a Delta Episode-type side story arc could be done with it, though. However, and maybe I'm wrong but, I don't see there being enough there to make a story that doesn't step on the toes of XY's story.
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A story where you collect the cells to save the ecosystem, a story where the villains want Zygarde's power to perhaps use it to control the ecosystem (Nature vs Humanity theme), or perhaps just because Zygarde is powerful and they want power. Those came right off the top of my head with zero effort. And, mythology/stories can be used for normal pokemon too, and have been. So I really don't see how they can run out of idea's for something more basic than something that they want more depth in first. Also Lysandre is not confirmed dead, it is unknown if he is alive or dead. So mass destruction and genocide by him is not of the question. I mean, that would be somewhat of a toss back to gen 1/2 again.

And, can't find that interview, but:
"According to interviews with Junichi Masuda in 2009, Legendary Pokémon are the most difficult to design names for because Game Freak strives to make sure that the names of Legendary Pokémon are universal across the different translations, so extra work must be put into their names to make sure that they work universally in all languages and don't conflict with anything else. This is consistent with the relatively small number of Legendary Pokémon who have had their names changed significantly outside of Japan (currently nine: the Legendary birds, the lake guardians, and the Forces of Nature)."-Bulbapedia. I can't find the interview itself but that might just be the one I was thinking of.
 
Information on Sun and Moon to come in the next corocoro:
Serebii: "The next image from CoroCoro has leaked showcasing the limit of what is in CoroCoro for Sun & Moon. In this small bit of information, it promises that from next month, special features on Sun & Moon will begin. This will begin in the issue that is released on April 15th 2016. We'll bring more as it comes"
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I wouldn't be totally shocked if we got info a bit earlier. I remember when XY got massive info dumps, Nintendo would often snipe corocoro by a few days with new info. Wonder if this means we're looking at another Pokemon direct in April?
 
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