These have been good submissions so far, but I'd like to encourage posters to provide some justification for their choices so that voters can make a more educated decision.
-
Check out the relaunch of our general collection, with classic designs and new ones by our very own Pissog!
-
Welcome to Smogon! Take a moment to read the Introduction to Smogon for a run-down on everything Smogon, and make sure you take some time to read the global rules.
Balanced Hackmons Community Create-a-Team (Testing post-Protean team)
- Thread starter Uselesscrab
- Start date
Neither team member is close to imposter proof at the moment, and they are both very weak to diancie and kyurem. Registeel helps solve this problem
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
This set should be able to switch into either of our Ray's impostered, as well as opposing standard Rays/Diancies/Kyurem's unless they have something like precipice blades. Nuzzle is a great move for crippling offensive threats, recovery is mandatory, and parting shot is the preferred pivot option. Stealth rock and defog both offer good support, but gastro acid is good for something like PH Tyranitar.
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
This set should be able to switch into either of our Ray's impostered, as well as opposing standard Rays/Diancies/Kyurem's unless they have something like precipice blades. Nuzzle is a great move for crippling offensive threats, recovery is mandatory, and parting shot is the preferred pivot option. Stealth rock and defog both offer good support, but gastro acid is good for something like PH Tyranitar.
Steelix-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Gastro Acid
- Sacred Fire
- Milk Drink
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Gastro Acid
- Sacred Fire
- Milk Drink
Hard walls both impostered M-rays & provides a semi-reliable pivot. Knock off to get rid of toxic orbs etc. Gastro Acid + Sacred fire to fish for burns to cripple magic bounce sweepers or to negate poison heal / protean / -ate.
252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Rayquaza Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 57-67 (16.1 - 18.9%) -- possible 6HKO
252+ SpA Protean Mega Rayquaza Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 119-141 (33.6 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Pixie Plate Protean Mega Rayquaza Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 102-121 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 2.8% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Protean Mega Rayquaza Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 119-141 (33.6 - 39.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Pixie Plate Protean Mega Rayquaza Judgment vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Steelix: 102-121 (28.8 - 34.1%) -- 2.8% chance to 3HKO
Last edited:
They can vote, they cannot vote for themself.
Edit because I hate the post Key:
With these excellent team members, the obvious next pick is another MRay:
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Oblivion Wing
- Magma Storm
- Tail Glow
- Substitute
This is yet another Mray, making it all the harder to figure out which is which. It is a powerful setup sweeper that cannot be impostered when behind a sub. Further, because it has fire/flying coverage it can still by imposterproofed by the flash fire steels who block our previous sets.
Last edited:
http://data:image/jpeg;base64,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
Gastro acid + Will-o-wisp to cripple magic bounce sweepers or to negate poison heal / protean / -ate.
btw Gastro Acid is bounceable, so you may want to use something like Skill Swap instead to get cripple them (Entrainment wont work)
I actually didn't know that - I'll change it, thanks! :D
EDIT: Actually I'll keep gastro acid but go Sacred fire > Wisp which accomplishes the same thing
Last edited:
Alright, let's vote on Stage 3 (the names link to their sets, don't vote for your own, etc.):
The Guy Who Has Many Alts (it won't let me hyperlink so http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-judgment-stage-3.3565254/page-3#post-6694834)
bp scrub
apateonas
OM room
megaqwer:D
LaxLapras
aki0s
Quantum Tesseract
The Guy Who Has Many Alts (it won't let me hyperlink so http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...-judgment-stage-3.3565254/page-3#post-6694834)
bp scrub
apateonas
OM room
megaqwer:D
LaxLapras
aki0s
Quantum Tesseract
Laxlapras
Unquestionably the best set for this team right now. We already have 2 huge threats, what we need is actual answers to our opponent's threats, not more threats.
edit: just to clarify i don't mean we need to put 4 walls but we need to take care of switch ins and imposterproofing before adding more offensive pokemon.
Unquestionably the best set for this team right now. We already have 2 huge threats, what we need is actual answers to our opponent's threats, not more threats.
edit: just to clarify i don't mean we need to put 4 walls but we need to take care of switch ins and imposterproofing before adding more offensive pokemon.
Last edited:
LaxLapras
LaxLapras
I think the winner here is pretty obvious: LaxLapras!
On to nominations for Stage 4. Here's our team now:
On to nominations for Stage 4. Here's our team now:
Rayquaza-Mega @ Pixie Plate
Ability: Protean
EVs: 200 Atk / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Rash Nature
- Judgment
- Bolt Strike
- Boomburst
- V-create
Rayquaza-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Spore
- Infestation / Magma Storm
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
Ability: Protean
EVs: 200 Atk / 252 SpA / 56 Spe
Rash Nature
- Judgment
- Bolt Strike
- Boomburst
- V-create
Rayquaza-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Aerilate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Extreme Speed
- Boomburst
- Spore
- Infestation / Magma Storm
Registeel @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Nuzzle
- Stealth Rock/Defog/Gastro Acid
- Recover
- Parting Shot
Glad we liked my Regi set! We definitely needed some defense.
To keep that going, this team still has problems with strong special attackers. MMY, Tail glow Ray, or PH Ogre, among others, present huge threats. My solution is unaware Audino
Audino-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Topsy-Turvy / Mean Look / Heal Bell
- Heal Order
- Metal Burst
- Parting Shot / Heal Bell
This will handle all of the above written threats, and more. A surprise unaware metal burst is a great way to take down something like a +3 Ray. Topsy Turvy can stop a sweeper in its tracks, but mean look can be used to trap a special sweeper that has no way to kill audino, pp stalling it to death. Parting shot is a great pivot. Also, Audino functions as a general special wall. This also allows us to build a set up special attacker for the team, as Audino would be an imposter-counter for that mon. If we pick this Audino, something like Qdance MMY or MGengar would work well in tandem.
To keep that going, this team still has problems with strong special attackers. MMY, Tail glow Ray, or PH Ogre, among others, present huge threats. My solution is unaware Audino
Audino-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Topsy-Turvy / Mean Look / Heal Bell
- Heal Order
- Metal Burst
- Parting Shot / Heal Bell
This will handle all of the above written threats, and more. A surprise unaware metal burst is a great way to take down something like a +3 Ray. Topsy Turvy can stop a sweeper in its tracks, but mean look can be used to trap a special sweeper that has no way to kill audino, pp stalling it to death. Parting shot is a great pivot. Also, Audino functions as a general special wall. This also allows us to build a set up special attacker for the team, as Audino would be an imposter-counter for that mon. If we pick this Audino, something like Qdance MMY or MGengar would work well in tandem.
Last edited:
Metagross-Mega @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Simple
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Stored Power
- Earth Power
- Cotton Guard
pretty dangerous as a sweeper since it get get to absurd power/bulk so quickly and its really easy to imposterproof too
Ability: Simple
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Stored Power
- Earth Power
- Cotton Guard
pretty dangerous as a sweeper since it get get to absurd power/bulk so quickly and its really easy to imposterproof too
Ho-Oh @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Recover
- Whirlwind / U-Turn
At the moment, our offensive presence can be easily revenge killed by Mega Diancie which would suggest that we include a solid check to it. Ho-Oh can fulfill that role as long as Diancie doesn't run Rock-type STAB (which they rarely do).
Magic Guard with Toxic Orb allows Ho-Oh to bypass its nasty 4x Stealth Rock weakness while simultaneously being immune to any forms of status once the Toxic Orb activates.
Max SDef lets Ho-Oh check Mega Gengar along with some variants of Protean MMY. It can also serve as a very soft check to GW Mega Rayquaza taking ~60% from +3 Oblivion Wing (without LO) and then phazing it out with Whirlwind. Whirlwind will also allow Ho-Oh to phaze out Tinted Dialga. U-turn can be used instead to let Ho-Oh pivot out if we don't have to worry about GW MRay or Tinted Dialga.
Ho-Oh can also be a very flimsy check to -ate MMX should the need arise, taking ~40% from Espeed (without plate).
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Flare Blitz
- Knock Off
- Recover
- Whirlwind / U-Turn
At the moment, our offensive presence can be easily revenge killed by Mega Diancie which would suggest that we include a solid check to it. Ho-Oh can fulfill that role as long as Diancie doesn't run Rock-type STAB (which they rarely do).
Magic Guard with Toxic Orb allows Ho-Oh to bypass its nasty 4x Stealth Rock weakness while simultaneously being immune to any forms of status once the Toxic Orb activates.
Max SDef lets Ho-Oh check Mega Gengar along with some variants of Protean MMY. It can also serve as a very soft check to GW Mega Rayquaza taking ~60% from +3 Oblivion Wing (without LO) and then phazing it out with Whirlwind. Whirlwind will also allow Ho-Oh to phaze out Tinted Dialga. U-turn can be used instead to let Ho-Oh pivot out if we don't have to worry about GW MRay or Tinted Dialga.
Ho-Oh can also be a very flimsy check to -ate MMX should the need arise, taking ~40% from Espeed (without plate).
Last edited:
Needs more Pikachu, but with a set that can at least try and beat things behind subs
Pikachu @ Light Ball
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- King's Shield
- Fake Out
- Skill Swap
- Heal Pulse (this is filler because I can't think of another move that does nothing to our team after a skill swap)
Pikachu @ Light Ball
Ability: Imposter
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- King's Shield
- Fake Out
- Skill Swap
- Heal Pulse (this is filler because I can't think of another move that does nothing to our team after a skill swap)