Yeah :) i would say if you have a more offensively inclined playstyle pick talonflame, and if you want to check xerneas/smeargle better go for crobat :)
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I'm sure if you asked Psynergy he would probably answer your question more thoroughly since it's his team, i would say that assault vest is probably the best bet for landorus-t since you would check both physical and special groudon sets which is really important but if you really want protect, lum would be good. Alternatively you could run protect over one of weavile's moves (e.g over low kick/coverage options etc)
I already have a Mega Mawile and Primal Groudon for Xerneas. Would Talonflame be better in my team, also possibly getting Sun boosts?
If you would prefer it to crobat then yes :) 2 checks to a common threat is ample
However, most xerneas are partnered with groudon or kyogre, and these will try counter your mawile/groudon, so make sure you have a way to deal with that (for example weather support e.g skill swap)
However, most xerneas are partnered with groudon or kyogre, and these will try counter your mawile/groudon, so make sure you have a way to deal with that (for example weather support e.g skill swap)
That is what I have Cresselia for :D I'm not running Trick Room so I hope to catch some people off guard.
What's the set?
TR cress + groudon (+mawile) is still pretty hard to counter but yeah you would probably catch some people off guard
TR cress + groudon (+mawile) is still pretty hard to counter but yeah you would probably catch some people off guard
Yes cresselia is definitely going to get taunted regardless of whether you are running TR or not (and it's definitely more susceptible to taunt without mental herb), especially since you have both groudon/mawile on the team
A tailroom or Semi-TR team might be a good option:
Most semi tr teams run a similar framework
2 Slow Mons (could be cresselia/groudon)
2 Medium speed mons (mawile/____)
1-2 Fast Mons (______)
1 Support (Tailwind)
A tailroom or Semi-TR team might be a good option:
Most semi tr teams run a similar framework
2 Slow Mons (could be cresselia/groudon)
2 Medium speed mons (mawile/____)
1-2 Fast Mons (______)
1 Support (Tailwind)
This is all great advice but I lost you where you said that Groudon and Mawile make Cresselia more susceptible to Taunt? Is it because they are attackers? Also I'll be sure to look into Semi TR. so should TR go back onto Cresselia?
Its because the opponent will see mawile/groudon and suspect TR so they would be more inclined to lead with a taunter to prevent any set ups :)
and yes TR cress would benefit semi TR XD
and yes TR cress would benefit semi TR XD
If you want team advice feel free to pm me so we don't clog up this thread
Them leading with taunt doesn't help you, it's just their plan to stop you from setting up
Mawile/groudon makes them suspect TR
Mawile/groudon makes them suspect TR
no worries i've got it covered
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Yes it is. It was a Dream Ball Aegislash not Dive.
Does Desolate Land cancel out Hidden Power Water?
Yes. You need to switch in something like Air Lock Rayquaza if you want it to have an effect.
*or alternative weathers e.g heavy rain/delta stream, so a rayogre core might benefit the HP water user :)
I'm going to try to explain this as best as I can. Say you have a Groudon, Yveltal, M-Mawile, M-Kangaskhan (Double Megas), and Ferrothorn. And you can't decide between Crobat, Talonflame, or Thundurus for the last Pokemon. All of these three perform pretty similar roles, so try to look more at typing and abilities. Which Pokemon would you pick?
In my opinion, Thundurus performs a different role then Talonflame and Crobat, by using a different form of speed control, so for that decision it depends on Thunder Wave vs. Tailwind. In terms of Talonflame and Crobat, they perform slightly different roles. Talonflame provides more offensive presence, especially late game when Super Fangs aren't doing much, whereas Crobat is bulkier. So basically it depends on whether you prefer the extra bulk or extra power, it comes down to personal preference much of the time.
If you're worried about smeargles, I'd say crobat is the best of the three. Talonflame can run taunt as well. I don't think thundurus is as good for that because smeargle is often paired with a quick guard user.
On the other hand, thundurus helps more against kyogres and all of the birds flying around. Thundy can also have role play to help you with the weather.
Yes I think Crobat and Talonflame are equally good at stopping smeargle. The thing with Role Play on Thundurus is that it loses Prankster, and Ferrothorn is usually already a good RayOgre check.
So I think I'm leaning toward Crobat/Talonflame.
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