Hmm, I didn't actually forget these things! I don't think you were thorough in reading my first post, or in your thinking here. Let me explain...You're forgetting several things with Reuniclus. First off, it can run Colburr berry to live dark attacks to retaliate. Secondly, it is not as crippled by knock off in this way. Finally, it can run life orb in a non-set up set to much greater success, giving it much more variability than duosion. All of these are actually pretty important individually, and combine to make Reuniclus substantially better imo.
Duosion can ALSO hold a colbur berry, and would retaliate harder (as shown in calcs). SOMETIMES it'd be MORE beneficial to run Eviolite regardless, as eviolite will still make you take .67% of the damage vs .5, AND where colbur is exhausted eviolite remains, lest the move was knock off! ;D
I don't understand this counter arguement because as I said Colburr is clearly an item that both monsters have the ability to use for the same effect, so that makes it hard for me to see what you're getting at???
Knock off I can show calcs, which is actually a counter point I was HOPING to be brought up, i guess that debate class in college paid off! Reuniclus DIES to the knock offs, while Duosion SURVIVES and strikes! Generally OFC the POINT is NEVER to allow an eviolite to just get knocked off, but shit happens and trades occur!
HOWEVER taking that knock off and losing that eviolite you're still taking .67 (due to a 1.5 increase to defense) damage from the attack that turn! You can often survive where Reuniclus simply faints! =D This counter argument was exactly what I needed to show the relevant calcs from Knock off outright killing reuniclus. This is what really sets Duosion apart, and makes him superior to Reuniclus! In battle this is what you REALLY notice when it comes to Duosion, too. Glad you brought it up.
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Reuniclus: 439-517 (105.7 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Duosion: 322-382 (90.7 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
What if you just wanted to get the fuck out though???? >.< RUN AWAYYY!!!!
(I don't know how you make the calc show them switching so I just manually changed pursuit base power to 80, as if they switched to avoid the knock off.)
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Pursuit vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Reuniclus: 361-429 (86.9 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Pursuit vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Duosion: 265-315 (74.6 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Reuniclus: 366-432 (88.1 - 104%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 176 HP / 80 Def Eviolite Duosion: 270-318 (76 - 89.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
REMINDER: the EVs used were simply used to make def and special def identical, generally I think Duosion will run something like that, where it adds both defenses because of eviolite's stat changing property. Running less hp and more actual bulk is beneficial when each 8 evs is 3 defensive stats rather than 2hp. Reuniclus isn't going to have 80 defense and it's NOT going to take a hit that well... 252 HP always gets it KOed... so it just worked out that 80 def has this Reuniclus living things it NORMALLY won't. That's something that makes Reuniclus seem randomly more bulky, where it isn't. Either way, the investments are identical in evs and meaningless, over all)
Here's hp252/def4 just to prove that Reuniclus is generally going to get hit harder than I am showing.
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Reuniclus: 484-569 (111.5 - 131.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Bisharp Pursuit vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Reuniclus: 398-471 (91.7 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Krookodile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Reuniclus: 398-470 (91.7 - 108.2%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
Also: I showed the life orb non set up as the first set of calcs, as well, netting KO's and 2hkos on defensive monsters like mola and blissey where Reuniclus is not capable, meaning it would sustain more hits as a slow monster, and making it less viable even with the life orb magic guard set than Duosion is.
Basically, if you do a thorough inspection of the facts as well as play a lot of matches with the two there's not much Reuniclus actually has other than Focus blast, which it is too slow to really use before it is OHKOed, regardless.
I really hope to see tier shift end up uncovering nasty little monsters like Duosion, just waiting for a chance to be competitive somewhere! =p
Currently play testing another monster but with not much luck (i can't even get this thing to work for me other than in certain niches), and it's ACTUALLY your name, Lapras. Odd coincidence!
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