Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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I hope they pull a B/W and exclude old pokemon, but there was a mini game were you could get old pokemon. I want and improved version of that though were its kinda like the friend safari and the safari zone. Let me elaborate, it would be like the mini game were you connected to the old game, but like the friend safari were you are guaranteed certain pokemon(maybe as far as a certain type I don't really know). It would also be like the safari zone were you had to use bait and rocks to catch them, but like the HG/SS safari zone were you could change the environment you went to.

As much as I liked having Gen V-only Pokemon in B/W, I hope they do include old gen Pokemon this time around. It worked out very well in X/Y in terms of variety, and restricting the amount of available Pokemon in a water-heavy region would basically make the (most likely) several water routes Hoenn 2.0 in terms of having little variety in aquatic Pokemon.
 
Yeah now that I think about it a little generation variety would be nice. I'm just happy that no one is against my friend safari zone mini game thingy.
 
Yeah now that I think about it a little generation variety would be nice. I'm just happy that no one is against my friend safari zone mini game thingy.

I think what you want (and everyone else) is the new Pokemon to take center stage. Like you want the Gym Leader/Elite Four/Champion's party to mainly be new Pokemon. Every route should have a new Pokemon (preferably a few).
 
What's up with the relatively large amount of hate for popplio?! I think it's adorable and has great potential to be cool as a third evolution. I like all three starters and I understand how people have different preferences, but the amount of online articles titled "rowlet, litten, and that other thing" or the likes is too damn high. Just because of this I will change my avatar to popplio.

#teampopplio
 
What's up with the relatively large amount of hate for popplio?! I think it's adorable and has great potential to be cool as a third evolution. I like all three starters and I understand how people have different preferences, but the amount of online articles titled "rowlet, litten, and that other thing" or the likes is too damn high. Just because of this I will change my avatar to popplio.

#teampopplio
Honestly, for me, it's Litten that's the "Urgghh" one. I mean I'm still #teamrowlet for my main playthrough of Pokemon Sun but I'm probably #teampopplio for my secondary playthrough of Pokemon Moon in order to get the cover legendary. Litten's just too...I don't know...not special enough.

But we'll see what their fully evolved forms are.
 
What's up with the relatively large amount of hate for popplio?! I think it's adorable and has great potential to be cool as a third evolution. I like all three starters and I understand how people have different preferences, but the amount of online articles titled "rowlet, litten, and that other thing" or the likes is too damn high. Just because of this I will change my avatar to popplio.

#teampopplio

I think people don't like the nose.
 
What's up with the relatively large amount of hate for popplio?! I think it's adorable and has great potential to be cool as a third evolution. I like all three starters and I understand how people have different preferences, but the amount of online articles titled "rowlet, litten, and that other thing" or the likes is too damn high. Just because of this I will change my avatar to popplio.

#teampopplio

It's not that Popplio is hated, or at least, I don't hate it, but I do find it to be the most offputting of the three. First impressions are important, and when they show sensible - or at least normal looking - designs in Rowlet and Litten, then follow them up with Popplio, and his nose in particular, it's a bit of a curveball that hurts more than helps. I didn't like him at first, but I've acclimated, particularly though the theory of the elephant seal design, and others will too.

Something that I tend to do subconsciously, and I'm sure that I'm not the only one who does it, is that I tend to compare new starters to the ones that I began with. There's always going to be a bit of bias in my heart toward my first starter set, the Kanto trio, and to some extent, I've been comparing the new starters to the original three since about Generation IV - it took me six or seven years to start with Piplup, for example. So in Popplio's case, when he was first shown, my head set up a comparison between him and Squirtle, found him and his nose wanting, and wondered what had happened. I'm sure that he'll be better than I originally gave him credit for, and I do look forward to seeing what he, and the others, become. But yeah, first impressions are important, and a large clown nose out of nowhere and for no immediately obvious reason doesn't exactly help.

I'm for Litten, myself, and that's probably more because she reminds me of my cat, than anything else.
 
Honestly, for me, it's Litten that's the "Urgghh" one. I mean I'm still #teamrowlet for my main playthrough of Pokemon Sun but I'm probably #teampopplio for my secondary playthrough of Pokemon Moon in order to get the cover legendary. Litten's just too...I don't know...not special enough.

But we'll see what their fully evolved forms are.
I'm seeing a lot of people say the same about Litten. It is very....bland, I guess. We have a few cat pokemon already so it doesn't really stand out much. But in its defense, it is still a stage one. I think we'll have all our opinions changed once the second stage evos get released.
 
I think people don't like the nose.
As someone who dislikes it, I'd like to add that I don't like the monochromatic body and the way ear and tail things look. The nose is actually not that big of a deal for me.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone not like Rowlet?
 
As someone who dislikes it, I'd like to add that I don't like the monochromatic body and the way ear and tail things look. The nose is actually not that big of a deal for me.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone not like Rowlet?

I haven't seen anyone criticize Rowlet yet.

Not even one person.

I guess the hype train is a fickle mistress; most people in forums are bashing Popplio for god-only-knows-why and adore Rowlet. I like both of them so I'll just wait to see how the final stage evo's turn out.
 
As someone who dislikes it, I'd like to add that I don't like the monochromatic body and the way ear and tail things look. The nose is actually not that big of a deal for me.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone not like Rowlet?
Each starter has something that bothers me personally.

Rowlet's a cute ball of fluff, but it's too... spherical, so it ends up looking like a fusion between a matryoshka and daruma doll. Would've preferred a more defined leaf tail regardless of it being a owlet and a slightly bigger bow-tie. I think all the designs are fairly simple, but of the three I felt Rowlet was the most rounded. No pun intended. All of them are fine, but I'm just not a fan of pointy noses in terms of Popplio and the proportions bother me a little bit.

Edit: Guess technically each Pokemon has something that can be criticized to some degree in my eyes.
 
To be honest, I wasn't a fan of rowlet right off the bat. I liked the idea and typing, but the actual design itself... Not so much. However, after seeing the art of him in flight and the video of him turning around at the trainer, I also fell in love. Out of the three I think litten is the least interesting, however I still like him a lot, he would be my hands down pick in some other gens. For some reason the idea of a circus seal/sealion really appeals to me, so naturally I like popplio the most. I think this is one of the strongest hauls of starters we've had in Pokemon, I don't think any of them deserve to be bashed in my opinion.
 
For some reason the idea of a circus seal/sealion really appeals to me, so naturally I like popplio the most. I think this is one of the strongest hauls of starters we've had in Pokemon, I don't think any of them deserve to be bashed in my opinion.
I know what you mean. Popplio is just so......lovable. I mean come on, all it wants to do is entertain you and make you happy how could you not love it.
 
I'm not sure how I feel about the starters. I guess I like Rowlet because it's cute, but something about it is off to me that I can't pin down. Popplio is just ugh and Litten is also kind of "meh".

I'll need to see the final evos before my opinion on them really solidifies, because nothing about their first forms is speaking to me right now.
 
I found Popplio adorable as soon as I saw it, but I've been Water type biased ever since Squirtle. This is probably the first generation where the first stage Grass starter has been my clear second place though (probably only the second or third Grass starter I've ever actually liked, after Chespin and maybe Turtwig; Gen VI has by far my favourite roster of starters, although Gen IV isn't too far behind); Rowlet is fantastic in so many ways. Litten I don't like much at all - something about the tufts of fur on its face and its eye design makes it feel disconcerting, and not in a "this is a creepy Pokemon that's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable" way but a "there is something off about this Pokemon that is just uncomfortable" way. I normally get both games and play the "first" (i.e. Red, Gold, Ruby, etc) version with the Water starter and the other with the best of the rest; unless something drastic happens with their evolved forms, I'll be playing Sun with Popplio and Moon with Rowlet.
 
I haven't seen anyone criticize Rowlet yet.

Not even one person.

I guess the hype train is a fickle mistress; most people in forums are bashing Popplio for god-only-knows-why and adore Rowlet. I like both of them so I'll just wait to see how the final stage evo's turn out.
The thing is the first starter still matters alot. Greninja was cool and all, but most of its love came from Froakie, and many people liked it from the start. I picked chespin in Y because that was the coolest one for me
Honestly, I think that the times of making starters equal is over. Game Freak just seemed to give up on that and instead decided "lets force people to pick one starter by hyping it up a ton." You can see that in Ash-Greninja and how Greninja and Froakie were hyped while Chespin and Fennekin sat dejectedly in a corner.
I know Game Freak is probably avoiding the Grass-Types for Ash thing and gave Greninja instead, and this is because, until gen 5, the grass types really were hated, and the only way to get them to be picked was giving them to Ash.
Then we got contrary Serperior
Op Mega Sceptile
Chesnaught and now Rowlet.
Now since the grass starters are actually popular, game-freak can hype another pokemon. Given how good Rowlet's design is, You would think that it is the "chosen one" of this region, but I have a feeling that it is going to be Litten because the main avatar chose it in both trailers
Another possibility is Popplio, because of all the reference art in the website, and it is definitely the one that needs the most help to be liked, but I think this is one of the games where Ash gets all three.

Something else that needs to be noted are the similarities between Sun/Moon and BWB2W2
Both were the only generations to be featured on the same console as the last one
  1. Both were released at a time when their console needed some economical help
  2. Both brought a revolution in pokemon graphics(B/W brought perm. moving sprites, S/M brought the removal of the battle circles, and better 3d graphics
Now, we can make some predictions based on this, and the fact that nintendo loves tradition
  1. The new handheld will come next year(coincedentally the year of release of NX, is it a combo as rumored, or just the new handheld)
  2. The "third version" or sequel will come in two years, for the 3DS, to try to sell a little bit more of a dying console
  3. There will be an easier way to get your 3DS pokemon from XYORASSM to the next gen(gen8 on gen9 consoles) than pokebank

Sorry for double posting, but this belong seperate from all those theories. Not an excuse - CRoll
Y'all are a little weird in the sense that you are so biased towards a type that thats the one you always pick, but that seems a little hard, not giving the others a chance
I had actually picked 2 of each type in the last 6 regions(I'd say gens, but I started with Emerald, then Platinum)

Charizard,
Meganium,
Blaziken,
Empoleon,
Samurott
Chesnaught

unless something drastic happens, I'l pick rowlet, but starters usually don't turn uncool in their later forms(I'm looking at you, Infernape and Emboar)

For that matter... excluding (For obvious reasons) Gen I, all odd generations included a high amount of Pokemon while mostly ignoring (Or outright excluding) past-gen ones until the post-game.

I hope they follow that 'formula'.
gen 2 had all of the kanto pokemon in the regional pokedex, gen 4 had about a third of its pokemon as previous gen ones, and gen 6 was almost 3/4 old pokemon.
Not to mention gen 5 had no old pokemon in its pokedex, so that doesn't fit with your pattern either. I hope that this region is mostly new pokemon, with only 79 pokemon in XY. I'd like very few old pokemon, but mostly Hoenn and Kanto ones, since those are the ones that fit best with the tropical theme, and kanto was the original region(for the 20th anniversary y'know). I can also seeing some of the less "cold-based" sinnoh pokemon in it since DP was the 10t aniverssery
 
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Op Mega Sceptile
I beg your pardon?
The mega starter biased towards special attacks with few special attacks, it's only Dragon STAB being Dual Chop and having very few other options is OP?
Here I was thinking Mega Swampert was a hulking behemoth who could take just about any attack and destroy everything with it's incredible coverage, or that Mega Blaziken was a fast sweeper with powerful mixed attacks at it's disposable. But clearly, Mega "I have an ability that makes me immune to something I 4X resist" Sceptile is the winner here.
 
I beg your pardon?
The mega starter biased towards special attacks with few special attacks, it's only Dragon STAB being Dual Chop and having very few other options is OP?
Here I was thinking Mega Swampert was a hulking behemoth who could take just about any attack and destroy everything with it's incredible coverage, or that Mega Blaziken was a fast sweeper with powerful mixed attacks at it's disposable. But clearly, Mega "I have an ability that makes me immune to something I 4X resist" Sceptile is the winner here.
It gets Dragonbreath (breeding), Dragon Claw (TM), Outrage (tutor), Dragon Pulse (tutor) - probably forgetting one. Still not "OP" though.

peaswar There's zero reason to triple post. Just edit your post, make a divider between new ideas or an intended paragraph or use [hide][/hide] or [quote][/quote] to separate them. I see zero correlation between the latter half of your first post. It's grasping at straws at best:

Both were released at a time when their console needed some economical help.

This comes from what exactly? Pokemon is one of their top earners regardless of their perceived economical strife or not it's a bread winner and irrelevant to mention in terms of the games mechanics themselves. I wouldn't call that a similarity worth noting in terms of 'speculation'.

Both brought a revolution in pokemon graphics(B/W brought perm. moving sprites, S/M brought the removal of the battle circles, and better 3d graphics.

While the permanent moving sprites are notable, kind of, BW and BW2 brought more significant improvements that are still relevant to Gen 6's improvements/overhaul such as, enhanced 2.5D and rotational top down views of bigger structures, camera zooming in and out of certain areas drastically and more fleshed out cutscenes rather than the small pop-ups like FR/LG or the quick blip for HG/SS. "Rare spots" became a thing, shaking patches/rippling spots/bridge shadows and dust clouds. Hidden Abilities.

The list of grass-types being "liked" or "disliked" - some of it is factually wrong and you forgot M-Venusaur as it was (and still is in some cases) relevant competitively and in-game. M-Sceptile is certainly not "OP".

Edit: English, still hard.
 
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Now that I think about it more, Rowlet may be the fast, physical Grass starter I've been hoping for for so long.

Still team Litten, though. It's just so cute.
 
Idk that these starters are particularly strong or weak, they sit right in the middle in my opinion. Gens 3 and 4 (Torchic and Piplup were the standouts but the others are great) I think were the best, followed by Gen 1 / 6, and last with 2 / 5. Gen 2's designs were great but final typings and stats left something to be desired. Gen 5 just all sucked period.

Gen 7's break a few trends but we'll have to see their final evos to decide where they stand.
 
Well without too many assumptions Rowlet will probably get aerial ace and fly, eliminating any "barren moveset" problems some grass-types have (Chikorita, Gen 3 Treecko, mid-game Chespin, and almost Snivy too). I mean they could drop aerial ace from TM status, but I really doubt the fly isn't coming back. With one of those all it really needs is a half decent coverage move (fighting probably, but who knows maybe ground, fire, or rock too) and it will be at least decent in-game no matter what stats it gets.

So I think it's a safe bet to say Rowlet definitely won't be as bad as Gen 2 Chikorita, and will at least be decent in game.

Don't really have much to go on with the other two starters. Water is such a safe type that the seal will probably be a good choice no matter how it evolves. Can't tell on the fire-cat yet, depends on it's secondary type (if it gets one). Fire's kind of a wild card type, some are really movepool blessed (Arcanine, Infernape) and others are just barely scraping by (Ninetails, Rapidash).
 
Maybe I've been watching too much Arrested Development lately, but I really hope that Poplio learns the move
Bite. All that agree please raise your hand or what's left of it.
For the sake of fitting the other two starters in, I have a paper bag that says...
"Dead Rowlet. Do not eat."
And the cat that...
the seal ate to get a taste for Mammal meat was a Litten.
Could someone please make Pokerested Development Fan art out of this? XD
 
I was discussing this theory with a friend, but does anyone think the symbol on Litten's head is a reference to the Leviathan Cross? "Fire and brimstone"?
 
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