Has there been any mention of a theory regarding Mr. Bonding yet?
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Unless dual universes created a Shauna that is both immortal and dead, our Schrodinger's Shauna.
And in replace of a dark lord you shall have a QUEEN! ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!
...I gotta stop with these jokes.
Other than being really creepy, Mr. Bonding hasn't popped up too much as a point of discussion. ORAS gave us the fleshed out horrifying backstory that nobody wanted and wished they could forget, so what more is there to be said?
But don't let my lamentations dissuade you. If you have theory then go for it!
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Been a while since I posted a glitches and easter eggs, so here's one of both:
Did you know? Beheeyem and Elgyem can both learn Steel Wing in Gen 6 despite not having wings (like all other Steel Wing users except Mew).
The reason is because in Gen 5 TM 51 was Ally Switch, a psychic move. When it was dropped for Steel Wing in Gen 6 they accidentally kept the Beheeyem line's ability to learn TM 51 despite changing it from Ally Switch to Steel Wing. Ally Switch is still an egg move though.
I guess their alien methods remain an enigma to us all. Just didn't expect Steel Wing to be their hat trick.
Did you know? Beheeyem and Elgyem can both learn Steel Wing in Gen 6 despite not having wings (like all other Steel Wing users except Mew).
The reason is because in Gen 5 TM 51 was Ally Switch, a psychic move. When it was dropped for Steel Wing in Gen 6 they accidentally kept the Beheeyem line's ability to learn TM 51 despite changing it from Ally Switch to Steel Wing. Ally Switch is still an egg move though.
I guess their alien methods remain an enigma to us all. Just didn't expect Steel Wing to be their hat trick.
Been a while since I posted a glitches and easter eggs, so here's one of both:
Did you know? Beheeyem and Elgyem can both learn Steel Wing in Gen 6 despite not having wings (like all other Steel Wing users except Mew).
The reason is because in Gen 5 TM 51 was Ally Switch, a psychic move. When it was dropped for Steel Wing in Gen 6 they accidentally kept the Beheeyem line's ability to learn TM 51 despite changing it from Ally Switch to Steel Wing. Ally Switch is still an egg move though.
I guess their alien methods remain an enigma to us all. Just didn't expect Steel Wing to be their hat trick.
To be fair, in the anime they were shown to be flying around in a spaceship type thing... It doesn't push the realms of possibility they use the spaceship for that attack...
It could definitely be a vespiquen move: dance order
I think I may have an idea. While it isn't a detailed theory, I think Mr. Bonding's formation in ORAS determines where it is in comparison to XY (chronologically). Since Mr. Bonding formed in ORAS, it's likely that ORAS came before XY on the timeline. While mega evolution has been said to be a new concept in XY, it could be possible that Mr. Bonding's formation in ORAS was a rebirth. Although Mr. Bonding did comment on his "newfound power" when he was formed and said that he would want to travel the world (which is probably why he appeared in XY).
I don't really know though. This is kind of hard for me to wrap my head around honestly.
Official Pokemon Timeline, confirmed by Pokemon scenario writer Toshinobu Matsumiya:
(BTW 赤緑 means "Red Blue" and 金銀 means "Gold Silver")
The events of Gen I (Red, Green, & Blue) and III (Ruby, Sapphire, & Emerald) came first.
Three years later, events of Gen II (Gold, Silver, & Crystal) and IV (Diamond, Pearl, & Platinum) came second.
Unknown years later, events of Black & White came third.
Two years later, events of Black 2 & White 2 and Gen VI (X & Y) came fourth.
Remakes just retells the story of the generation they're remaking, they do not move its placement on the timeline. Also, since we've moved onto another timeline (the only difference is that in this timeline the Ultimate Weapon fired causing Mega Evolution to come into existence, the events of the games still happened as they did) more than ever we should more focus on what generally happened instead of the fine details.
You see, FRLG/HGSS/ORAS don't replace R(G)BY/GSC/RSE nor make them irrelevant. All those games are just windows into what happened at that point in the timeline which the creators wanted to tell and thought up. Being in the same non-Mega timeline, FRLG and HGSS or add-ons to the original games, giving more story details and updating the mechanics to reflect those events aren't static in time but simply one telling of it; but we still needed those originals first before they could be added to and updated upon. ORAS is different as its telling the same story BUT its on a completely different timeline, thus major aspects of it have changed. Infact if we retell the Gen I and II games again the same will happen there. However, even though the fine details have changed, the overall events haven't.
Tl;dr, each game is a window in time, in both the sense of what timeline its taking place in and when the game itself was made. Thus what's important in the grand scheme of things isn't how the story is told in the game but the general events that happened. So for continuity purposes, I think we should just enjoy and take in what that single version is offering instead of figuring how it directly connects to another version (we can connect it to the events of the gen, but not really to the game version). And that's not saying you can't compare it to another game version, but when you do that you should more be focusing on how the games presented their story rather then how their story connect to one another and the grander timeline (because, as the remakes shown, fine details can change but not what overall happened. Also, who knows if they'll decide to make a new game that takes place sometime in the middle of the timeline or before it).
Raymond Quaza does have a point that even with a confirmed timeline, there are some holes like Fairy Pokemon and Mega evolution being this "brand new thing" in XY, currently last in the timeline, but then being common knowledge earlier in the timeline for ORAS. A similar case for Pokemon Eggs which were discovered in GSC/HGSS but were also in RSE/ORAS (and FRLG... sorta). While it could be due to the different regions, that's a pretty lame justification (and a really weak scientific community. How do you publish papers on this in Hoenn but only hear about it years later in Kalos?)
I guess the Fairy type thing didn't make much sense to begin with, since they had a fairy gym already established despite it being a brand new type. At least Johto justified it in saying Jasmine used to be a rock-type gym before re-branding as steel-type.
But like Pikachu315111 said, the Pokemon writers play the concepts like timelines and continuity fast and loose. Keep it when it fits but abandon it if it interferes with gameplay. ORAS also confirming the long suspected alternate universe theories and Serebii's Pokearth just reinforced that they can literally write this however they want to with minimal justifications.
Honestly I prefer it this way. Gives us more space to create crazy fan theories!
I guess the Fairy type thing didn't make much sense to begin with, since they had a fairy gym already established despite it being a brand new type. At least Johto justified it in saying Jasmine used to be a rock-type gym before re-branding as steel-type.
But like Pikachu315111 said, the Pokemon writers play the concepts like timelines and continuity fast and loose. Keep it when it fits but abandon it if it interferes with gameplay. ORAS also confirming the long suspected alternate universe theories and Serebii's Pokearth just reinforced that they can literally write this however they want to with minimal justifications.
Honestly I prefer it this way. Gives us more space to create crazy fan theories!
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I recently had this theory too. Sharpedo had come out of the water as the Garchomp family.
If they're suppossed to be alien in the anime what planet do they come from and how?Been a while since I posted a glitches and easter eggs, so here's one of both:
Did you know? Beheeyem and Elgyem can both learn Steel Wing in Gen 6 despite not having wings (like all other Steel Wing users except Mew).
The reason is because in Gen 5 TM 51 was Ally Switch, a psychic move. When it was dropped for Steel Wing in Gen 6 they accidentally kept the Beheeyem line's ability to learn TM 51 despite changing it from Ally Switch to Steel Wing. Ally Switch is still an egg move though.
I guess their alien methods remain an enigma to us all. Just didn't expect Steel Wing to be their hat trick.
I just noticed a reference to Area 51...
Game Freak has also never before not revisited a region in the same Generation. And again, who knows, they might do an event for them before the year is out. I doubt it, but it is still possible.
Gotta do something with our free time. If you don't like it, might as well not post.
I'd use nicer words but yes, that is the point of this thread. Discuss mysteries, theories, easter eggs, glitches, shout-outs, and in & out of universe explanations for official pokemon media that Game Freak has otherwise moved on from in a welcoming inclusive environment.
No opinion is greater than any other, since all opinions are equally fictional.
Except canon, can't go against that. Or the pokedex because that makes no sense.
Plus this thread does double duty of giving the theorist a place to talk and absorbing all the wild fan theories away from the more serious threads. So sit back, relax, and let's embrace the unknown together.
No opinion is greater than any other, since all opinions are equally fictional.
Except canon, can't go against that. Or the pokedex because that makes no sense.
Plus this thread does double duty of giving the theorist a place to talk and absorbing all the wild fan theories away from the more serious threads. So sit back, relax, and let's embrace the unknown together.
So, what war was Lt. Surge in? I know its an odd question to ask out of the blue, but I have a reason. But back to the question at hand, the Kanto Electric-type Gym Leader, Lt. Surge the "Lightning American", mentions about being in a war in his quotes:
"I tell you kid, electric Pokemon saved me during the war! They zapped my enemies into paralysis!" (Gen I & III pre-battle)
"When I was in the army, Lt. Surge was my strict CO. He was a hard taskmaster." (FRLG Fame Checker - What Is This Person Like)
"Lt. Surge is rumored to have been a pilot while home in America. He used the electricity generated by Pokémon to power his plane." (FRLG Fame Checker - Pokemon Journal)
With the Gen I games being made in 1996 we'll use that as our time table. There is a few wars the US was involved in that would fit that time (I won't go before 1980 as Lt. Surge looks to be in his late 20s/early 30s):
US Invasion of Panama (1989-1990)
Invasion of Grenada (1983)
Any of those wars would be possible candidates, both wars involved US air drops which fits Lt. Surge being a pilot. I'm more leaning towards the US Invasion of Panama due to it being the most recent war at that time.
Of course, that's assuming they want to get "that real" and if it ever became important they wouldn't just make up a war.
So why bring this all up? Well I was looking up famous locations in Hawaii since that's what Gen VII is being based on when I was reminded of an important location: Pearl Harbor. Specifically the US military base in Pearl Harbor that was bombed by the Japanese which was the final event that led the US into entering WWII (so if they decide to include a location based it that should be an interesting tightrope act to watch GF do). If they do include it, which joking aside I would like to see (specifically the battleship USS Missouri (a memorial museum now) which watches over the sunken USS Arizona), I wonder what the context would be in-game. Yes, they could sidestep the whole thing and just mentioned the sunken ship was sunk by a foreign attack, though that would be a rather shallow. I then wondered if they may tiptoe around it by making up a similar war, and if they did that they could make it a recent war and maybe even connect it with Lt. Surge to have an appearance from him. This would actually also go along with the theory that the Gen I games took place in a post-war Kanto.
"I tell you kid, electric Pokemon saved me during the war! They zapped my enemies into paralysis!" (Gen I & III pre-battle)
"When I was in the army, Lt. Surge was my strict CO. He was a hard taskmaster." (FRLG Fame Checker - What Is This Person Like)
"Lt. Surge is rumored to have been a pilot while home in America. He used the electricity generated by Pokémon to power his plane." (FRLG Fame Checker - Pokemon Journal)
With the Gen I games being made in 1996 we'll use that as our time table. There is a few wars the US was involved in that would fit that time (I won't go before 1980 as Lt. Surge looks to be in his late 20s/early 30s):
US Invasion of Panama (1989-1990)
Invasion of Grenada (1983)
Any of those wars would be possible candidates, both wars involved US air drops which fits Lt. Surge being a pilot. I'm more leaning towards the US Invasion of Panama due to it being the most recent war at that time.
Of course, that's assuming they want to get "that real" and if it ever became important they wouldn't just make up a war.
So why bring this all up? Well I was looking up famous locations in Hawaii since that's what Gen VII is being based on when I was reminded of an important location: Pearl Harbor. Specifically the US military base in Pearl Harbor that was bombed by the Japanese which was the final event that led the US into entering WWII (so if they decide to include a location based it that should be an interesting tightrope act to watch GF do). If they do include it, which joking aside I would like to see (specifically the battleship USS Missouri (a memorial museum now) which watches over the sunken USS Arizona), I wonder what the context would be in-game. Yes, they could sidestep the whole thing and just mentioned the sunken ship was sunk by a foreign attack, though that would be a rather shallow. I then wondered if they may tiptoe around it by making up a similar war, and if they did that they could make it a recent war and maybe even connect it with Lt. Surge to have an appearance from him. This would actually also go along with the theory that the Gen I games took place in a post-war Kanto.
Other than Lt. Surge's status as an American being a clear case of "Early Installment Weirdness"...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
...we've brought up Surge before (page 77 I think) and the most popular theory was that Surge fought in some Gulf War parallel (aka Operation Desert Storm). Mostly based on his HG/SS fatigues. It's flimsy evidence to be true, but honestly we are grasping at straws.
Now as to whether or not a Japanese gaming company will swallow the awkward pill and throw in a Pearl Harbor reference, well... on the defense side somebody compared a map of Oahu to the shown Sun/Moon island map and they do match up pretty well.
On the counter side they didn't put two building craters in Unova, reference an occupied Kalos, or have radioactive cities in Hoenn, Kanto, Sinnoh, or Johto. I really doubt they'd start doing this now, or if they even should. Leave the history to games like valiant hearts the great war. Remember that these locations are SPIRITUAL likenesses not direct recreations.
One last note, a reminder that one of this thread's rules is we don't speculate on games that have yet to come out, just the old games. This is not a substitute for Sun and Moon just because their thread is locked!
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness
...we've brought up Surge before (page 77 I think) and the most popular theory was that Surge fought in some Gulf War parallel (aka Operation Desert Storm). Mostly based on his HG/SS fatigues. It's flimsy evidence to be true, but honestly we are grasping at straws.
Now as to whether or not a Japanese gaming company will swallow the awkward pill and throw in a Pearl Harbor reference, well... on the defense side somebody compared a map of Oahu to the shown Sun/Moon island map and they do match up pretty well.
On the counter side they didn't put two building craters in Unova, reference an occupied Kalos, or have radioactive cities in Hoenn, Kanto, Sinnoh, or Johto. I really doubt they'd start doing this now, or if they even should. Leave the history to games like valiant hearts the great war. Remember that these locations are SPIRITUAL likenesses not direct recreations.
One last note, a reminder that one of this thread's rules is we don't speculate on games that have yet to come out, just the old games. This is not a substitute for Sun and Moon just because their thread is locked!
Ok, so here's a mystery that I don't believe has come up yet:
What makes a Pokemon shiny, or really what is a shiny Pokemon?
I mean, obviously shiny Pokemon are a different color than normal Pokemon, but why do shiny Pokemon exist? I would guess it might be some genetic mutation or something similar to albinism, however it's not hereditary. It dosent seem to cause any natural advantage or disadvantage, other than maybe being more valued by trainers. Adding in the fact that breeding Pokemon from far away regions and having the shiny charm increase the chance of the offspring being shiny only complicates things further. I can maybe understand how it could potentially attract shiny Pokemon in the wild, but I don't know how the shiny charm could heighten the chances of a newborn Pokemon being shiny. What really makes this mystery, well, mysterious, is the fact that gameplay mechanics cannot really explain the inclusion of shinies in the game.
What makes a Pokemon shiny, or really what is a shiny Pokemon?
I mean, obviously shiny Pokemon are a different color than normal Pokemon, but why do shiny Pokemon exist? I would guess it might be some genetic mutation or something similar to albinism, however it's not hereditary. It dosent seem to cause any natural advantage or disadvantage, other than maybe being more valued by trainers. Adding in the fact that breeding Pokemon from far away regions and having the shiny charm increase the chance of the offspring being shiny only complicates things further. I can maybe understand how it could potentially attract shiny Pokemon in the wild, but I don't know how the shiny charm could heighten the chances of a newborn Pokemon being shiny. What really makes this mystery, well, mysterious, is the fact that gameplay mechanics cannot really explain the inclusion of shinies in the game.
Well, from how I think of it, shininess works like this - Very rarely, would a Pokemon be born with an off color from its peers. Akin to how the virus Pokérus is rare in the wild (But can spread like wildfire, before the strain "settles" into the infected, for the lack of a proper term), not all Pokemon are born shiny, and in fact, it's so incredibly rare, in terms of the games' meta, the best way to find these things is to breed one of your monsters with a friend of yours from a far off region, and have the coveted Shiny Charm.
I'm not sure of how to describe the Shiny Charm in terms of the games, is the thing. It's obviously a good luck charm, but I dunno if it's fair to justify how luck works, since... Luck in our world is a whole 'nother can of beans to talk about.
I'm not sure of how to describe the Shiny Charm in terms of the games, is the thing. It's obviously a good luck charm, but I dunno if it's fair to justify how luck works, since... Luck in our world is a whole 'nother can of beans to talk about.
Well, In GSC, if a Pokemon was shiny or not depended on it's DVs, which, in a sense, does make it a genetic factor. There's also a hereditary factor to it since breeding shinies in those games also increased odds of the offspring hatching shiny too, due to some DVs being inherited from the parents.
Though once Gen III came along and revamped the whole DV/Personality Value system, there is no longer a connection between shininess and IVs, and breeding two shinies won't increase the odds. But as you mentioned, we have Masuda method breeding now, which I guess could still be considered a hereditary factor? I think the best explanation is that shininess is, in fact, a genetic mutation of sorts. Even though IVs don't determine shininess today, it still depends on the PID along with the TID/SID, and the PID is technically a Pokemon's DNA strand since it determines everything from gender, natural ability, etc.
The shiny charm is a little more difficult to explain, but like Ming-Ming said, it could be a good luck charm of sorts.
Some of you may already know this, but Masuda has heavily implied that the Pokémon world is more fantastical than we thought it was pre-Unova, stating that he doesn't consider it a direct counterpart of Earth with Pokémon haphazardly thrown in.
Speaking of which, I found a strangely fascinating map on DeviantArt a few weeks ago, which showed how the main pre-Alola regions could have been connected, as well as places like the Nature Preserve, Orre, and the Ranger regions. I was also talking with the user about how Pokémon of elemental types can shape their environments, rather than the environments giving formation to the Pokémon. The process of shaping landmarks can possibly explain why Shoal Cave, Route 119, and Route 111 can coexist in the same region.
Speaking of which, I found a strangely fascinating map on DeviantArt a few weeks ago, which showed how the main pre-Alola regions could have been connected, as well as places like the Nature Preserve, Orre, and the Ranger regions. I was also talking with the user about how Pokémon of elemental types can shape their environments, rather than the environments giving formation to the Pokémon. The process of shaping landmarks can possibly explain why Shoal Cave, Route 119, and Route 111 can coexist in the same region.
Could you post or link to said map, perchance?
