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NOC Dragon Ball Z NOC - Day 4
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Yeti again I brought up acid yesterday when everyone forgot about him (can't remember whether it was before you or not) so I'm not jumping on a sinking ship here but instead taking initiative, especially there were other opportunities to do that in BT, Sam, and internet. Why make a move here when instead I could be easily pushing other cases or letting Sam drown. Wanna not give me "towncred" for voting acid? Probably smart. But I think a day 1 bus that hard is unrealistic from anyone here.
I think internet had more strikes against him than haruno and asek because he was more obviously trying to lay low even though the content he had was slightly better in my opinion. A swingier read makes for a better lynch.
Again I scumread you the most out of the non DLE goods because I don't think you were driving as much as I thought you would have. Even when you don't have firm opinions you often have probing questions, you often expect something out of the discussion. This was a slight tendency, yes, and also very gut as far as reads go.
I think internet had more strikes against him than haruno and asek because he was more obviously trying to lay low even though the content he had was slightly better in my opinion. A swingier read makes for a better lynch.
Again I scumread you the most out of the non DLE goods because I don't think you were driving as much as I thought you would have. Even when you don't have firm opinions you often have probing questions, you often expect something out of the discussion. This was a slight tendency, yes, and also very gut as far as reads go.
Yeti the reason I focused on sam is because you often pull Lightwolf quotes out of context and generally troll with nonsense.
Think of it like resistance. You're going around asking if lightwolf is Merlin?, Sam is saying that lightwolf sounds like oberon, and if he's oberon, he should fail this mission.
Think of it like resistance. You're going around asking if lightwolf is Merlin?, Sam is saying that lightwolf sounds like oberon, and if he's oberon, he should fail this mission.
Vote Twinmasters
I don't want to forget to post later, nor do I want to push acid needlessly close to majority. I outlined my issue with twin a little bit ago, but this is not a final lynch.
I don't want to forget to post later, nor do I want to push acid needlessly close to majority. I outlined my issue with twin a little bit ago, but this is not a final lynch.
ok i just woken up
I think from my list of previous suspicious people (acid / internet / sam / dle / steel (rip)) the most suspicious to me after the last few pages is still internet. He still hasn't responded to any of the points being bought against him in what the last 2 (maybe 3 his time?) days. I know hes been around smogon as well so he would of had a chance to respond to this thread, hes chosen not to for whatever reason. internet i tag you to weigh in on the lynch before deadline and defend youself (if your still awake)
However it looks like the lynch is going to acidphoenix and I can definitely see why. Acid's posts havent really been telling in trying to clean himself at all, they are just small, inconsequential reads that others have bought up earlier. This to me is a sign off of users he knows are clean (or at least not in his faction clean) to make himself sound clean before the lynch. He hasn't put in any effort to explain why 'im not scum because of x', instead avoiding the question almost completely. This is telling of trying to avoid a slip in his logic that would condemn his position really, so I'm pretty sure this is a safe lynch for the village. He hasn't prevented any real defense. Also telling is that he hasn't bought up other suspect users in his defense, noticeably internet. If acid flips mafia I think the odds of internet being mafia are very likely.
I will have to re read haruno's posts next cycle (which is after i get back from work) to form an opinion on where I sit with him, but there seems to be a growing suspicion that he is scum.
Yeti the reason im no longer suspicious of lightwolf is because the initial suspicion was based on something I wouldn't of came to the conclusion to if I had of known US / LW just don't agree on anything. Since then they're still showing that they don't particularly agree, but are also looking at each others opinions and at least considering them, which is more towny behavior to me for the both of them (but i still don't like some of the ideas sam has bought forward). Also as the game has gone on LW's posts out of the big 4 of bmills / lw / you / US are the ones i tend to agree with most on the best course of action, which to me would make him seem highly likely to be town, as they correlate with what I'm thinking.
I am kind of torn between whether to vote for internet or acid at this point, I will however now vote internet to try pressure him further into posting, and also covers me if work calls me in early
I think from my list of previous suspicious people (acid / internet / sam / dle / steel (rip)) the most suspicious to me after the last few pages is still internet. He still hasn't responded to any of the points being bought against him in what the last 2 (maybe 3 his time?) days. I know hes been around smogon as well so he would of had a chance to respond to this thread, hes chosen not to for whatever reason. internet i tag you to weigh in on the lynch before deadline and defend youself (if your still awake)
However it looks like the lynch is going to acidphoenix and I can definitely see why. Acid's posts havent really been telling in trying to clean himself at all, they are just small, inconsequential reads that others have bought up earlier. This to me is a sign off of users he knows are clean (or at least not in his faction clean) to make himself sound clean before the lynch. He hasn't put in any effort to explain why 'im not scum because of x', instead avoiding the question almost completely. This is telling of trying to avoid a slip in his logic that would condemn his position really, so I'm pretty sure this is a safe lynch for the village. He hasn't prevented any real defense. Also telling is that he hasn't bought up other suspect users in his defense, noticeably internet. If acid flips mafia I think the odds of internet being mafia are very likely.
I will have to re read haruno's posts next cycle (which is after i get back from work) to form an opinion on where I sit with him, but there seems to be a growing suspicion that he is scum.
Yeti the reason im no longer suspicious of lightwolf is because the initial suspicion was based on something I wouldn't of came to the conclusion to if I had of known US / LW just don't agree on anything. Since then they're still showing that they don't particularly agree, but are also looking at each others opinions and at least considering them, which is more towny behavior to me for the both of them (but i still don't like some of the ideas sam has bought forward). Also as the game has gone on LW's posts out of the big 4 of bmills / lw / you / US are the ones i tend to agree with most on the best course of action, which to me would make him seem highly likely to be town, as they correlate with what I'm thinking.
I am kind of torn between whether to vote for internet or acid at this point, I will however now vote internet to try pressure him further into posting, and also covers me if work calls me in early
acidphoenix - He's a null read to me because he didn't talk much? and gave info that I didn't think was of much value. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on lurking since he could be a new player trying to observe?
Asek - null read
billymills - I don't know how he's played before but from what I'm seeing, hes like a null read and a little teeny bit of scum read since he has been switching votes a few times.
Blazade - slightly town read because of what he's done in trying to argue his side of the Vegeta should/shouldn't claim.
Blue_Tornado - I feel he may have scumslipped? Scum Read
Da Letter El - null read since he hasn't been posting
Flyhn - I don't remember much from Flyhn - Null Read
Haruno - null read
internet - null read
Jalmont - null read
LightWolf - Slightly scum read, has been doing weird letter stuffs.
macle - short posts and a little bit lurking?
Mithril -null read
rssp1 - null read
SteelEdges - null read
THE_IRON_...KENYAN? - I only remember him wanting Sam out because he had a different opinion, slightly scum read
UncleSam - I think he makes a good play wanting to play it safe, slightly town read
Yeti - seems like she takes ALOT of time trying to figure out the game , slightly town read
This is what I was able to think of before deadline.
I still think Internet is more scummy but Acidphoenix thinks I am scum because I don't agree with him?
Lightwolf Vegeta Don't Claim
UncleSam Claim
Civil War
Asek - null read
billymills - I don't know how he's played before but from what I'm seeing, hes like a null read and a little teeny bit of scum read since he has been switching votes a few times.
Blazade - slightly town read because of what he's done in trying to argue his side of the Vegeta should/shouldn't claim.
Blue_Tornado - I feel he may have scumslipped? Scum Read
Da Letter El - null read since he hasn't been posting
Flyhn - I don't remember much from Flyhn - Null Read
Haruno - null read
internet - null read
Jalmont - null read
LightWolf - Slightly scum read, has been doing weird letter stuffs.
macle - short posts and a little bit lurking?
Mithril -null read
rssp1 - null read
SteelEdges - null read
THE_IRON_...KENYAN? - I only remember him wanting Sam out because he had a different opinion, slightly scum read
UncleSam - I think he makes a good play wanting to play it safe, slightly town read
Yeti - seems like she takes ALOT of time trying to figure out the game , slightly town read
This is what I was able to think of before deadline.
I still think Internet is more scummy but Acidphoenix thinks I am scum because I don't agree with him?
Lightwolf Vegeta Don't Claim
UncleSam Claim
Civil War
Ok so it turns out I'm not really sure when deadline is (apparently it's an hour later than I thought?) and I might not be on for deadline so I'm going to say that my acidphoenix vote is final and considering I have at least three (maybe more?) votes on me I ask my fellow villagers out there to vote acidphoenix with me.
I wanted to say a few things to my fellow villagers in case I do get mislynched, however:
- Don't automatically lynch billymills/LW/insert person who argued with me a lot here; also don't assume that just because I flipped town that all of my reads are golden.
- DO however please god get more active and vote earlier, lynches shouldn't be coming down to the final hours where the mafia could easily stealth someone. Start coalescing around lynches at least 36 hours in advance of the deadline.
- Take a long hard look at every idler because those will be the people who will be hardest to read later on.
- If acidphoenix wastes a claim (and it doesn't matter what it is) and somehow doesn't get lynched then lynch him tomorrow. No villager should ever claim within ~2 hours of the deadline, in fact I'm going to suggest tentatively that we ban all claims within 24 hours of the deadline no matter what so that if people do feel pressure, they have to claim well in advance so that we can adjust to it and decide whether we believe it. Claiming near the deadline is insane for a villager.
- I asked the hosts to confirm that this does not waste a claim and they did so, so to anyone who thought I might make an 11th hour claim in an attempt to save myself (which I just explained I'd never do anyway) I say this: I am never claiming this game. Period. If I ever claim then by all means lynch me ASAP.
While I certainly think that internet is mafia, there's no time to change the lynch. King_ your vote is more or less being wasted.
billymills I'd like to hear more about why you dislike Thetwinmasters before deadline if possible, and I'd like to hear more from Twin as well before deadline.
Ok I will now give a final day-end reads list because I don't plan on posting again unless someone asks me a question. If anyone wants me to comment on anything then please highlight me and maybe I'll see it on my phone and type a short response.
I wanted to say a few things to my fellow villagers in case I do get mislynched, however:
- Don't automatically lynch billymills/LW/insert person who argued with me a lot here; also don't assume that just because I flipped town that all of my reads are golden.
- DO however please god get more active and vote earlier, lynches shouldn't be coming down to the final hours where the mafia could easily stealth someone. Start coalescing around lynches at least 36 hours in advance of the deadline.
- Take a long hard look at every idler because those will be the people who will be hardest to read later on.
- If acidphoenix wastes a claim (and it doesn't matter what it is) and somehow doesn't get lynched then lynch him tomorrow. No villager should ever claim within ~2 hours of the deadline, in fact I'm going to suggest tentatively that we ban all claims within 24 hours of the deadline no matter what so that if people do feel pressure, they have to claim well in advance so that we can adjust to it and decide whether we believe it. Claiming near the deadline is insane for a villager.
- I asked the hosts to confirm that this does not waste a claim and they did so, so to anyone who thought I might make an 11th hour claim in an attempt to save myself (which I just explained I'd never do anyway) I say this: I am never claiming this game. Period. If I ever claim then by all means lynch me ASAP.
While I certainly think that internet is mafia, there's no time to change the lynch. King_ your vote is more or less being wasted.
billymills I'd like to hear more about why you dislike Thetwinmasters before deadline if possible, and I'd like to hear more from Twin as well before deadline.
Ok I will now give a final day-end reads list because I don't plan on posting again unless someone asks me a question. If anyone wants me to comment on anything then please highlight me and maybe I'll see it on my phone and type a short response.
- acidphoenix: Pretty obviously mafia at this point, he's more or less given himself away at this point and isn't bothering to defend himself. Look for him to waste a claim before deadline and if you are voting for me currently then please try to be on at deadline to switch to acid if he does so.
- Asek: His scumslip was still kinda bad and he's not been super active, though I like that he is at least trying a bit now. Still lean mafia on him but I'd like to see more contributions from him/flips on others before lynching him tomorrow.
- billymills: Is playing slightly better than he was, and like I said I can buy that his disinterest early on was due to external reasons. That being said I don't find his recent play as towny as a lot of others do, though I think that mafia mills pretty much holds the course tbh rather than bothering to change, so I will say lean town read for now, I want to see how good his reads end up being on flipped people. Interesting that he dislikes Twin, I want to see more about that as well.
- Blazade: Nothing's changed here, he's one of my strongest town reads.
- Blue_Tornado: He's posted a bit more and given some legitimate reasons for why he's been somewhat inactive; I still lean mafia on him but he is not nearly as likely as he was 200 posts ago.
- Da Letter El: Zero contribution. None. I get that he's at a debate tournament but this really seems like his mafia play. If he doesn't start contributing tomorrow people really need to push him with votes.
- Flyhn: Less impressed by his play recently, downgrading him to lean town but I still don't see mafia Flyhn playing this way. I could see him maybe being a Third Party role though with his independent research, that hadn't occurred to me previously.
- Haruno: He's (?) looking worse and worse as the day's gone on to be honest. Zero activity lately, generally terrible connections with some of the scummiest players in the game, and has fallen off the face of the earth once it looked like I'd probably get mislynched. Definite mafia read.
- internet: He and acidphoenix are about as obvious mafia buddies as you can get tbh. Almost as obvious mafia as acidphoenix.
- Jalmont: I still read him as town, in that I think he'd be a lot less helpful as mafia or Third Party.
- King_: Moving more towards just straight town read in that acidphoenix more or less confirmed he isn't mafia. Concerning he has so many null reads though, that reads a bit like 'I want to contribute but don't want to actually tie myself to a bunch of people'.
- LightWolf: I still think he makes no sense as mafia, I lean town on him now but I am still concerned about the possibility he could be a lone wolf Broly. Highly doubt he's mafia unless I'm really truly garbage with the rest of my reads.
- macle: He like stepped up to defend me for one post then vanished off the face of the earth...this is pretty concerning to say the least. I strongly suspect that his play will elicit a lot of 'macle+US' mafia team theories, and his buddying kind of reminds me of Celever last game. Slight mafia lean on him for now, I want to see him draw connections or reads on others before making a solid determination though.
- Mithril: His activity's fallen off a bit but he still seems like a solid town read for me, he seems to be in the dark and trying to figure things out while also playing in a risk-averse manner I'm accustomed to seeing from him.
- rssp1: Well he's improved a bit since I last posted a list, I'm going to say Null because I need to see a lot more from him but I'd encourage people to re-read his posts in particular during the night if you have time, I am certainly not well-versed on what he's said.
- Steeledges->Twin (?): His vote on me makes zero sense, particularly after voting acidphoenix himself. Definitely a possible follow-up for mafia if/when acid flips mafia. That being said I think a few others make more sense (internet/Haruno in particular) as teammates for acid. Lean mafia.
- TIK->Walrein (?): Posting more than I thought while reading on a phone, making good deductions, raising points I hadn't considered, and playing in a safe manner. Way better than his play in Fire and Ice and not at all his scum meta I think, definite town read.
- UncleSam: What an amazing NOC player, always gets half his fellow villagers to misread pro-town shit as anti-town shit until they figure out wtf is going on. Literally happens every game, amazing. So amazing that this read isn't even changing!
- Yeti: A little concerning just how strongly she's been defending me, though I get that Yeti can get a read and then stick to it. Stop saying things for me before I can say them (like how I was trying a slightly different plan this game after learning from past mistakes and everyone misinterpreted it...) X_X Still a town read in that I've pretty much thought everything she's said has been spot-on correct, and that was her town meta in Fire and Ice.
- Asek: His scumslip was still kinda bad and he's not been super active, though I like that he is at least trying a bit now. Still lean mafia on him but I'd like to see more contributions from him/flips on others before lynching him tomorrow.
- billymills: Is playing slightly better than he was, and like I said I can buy that his disinterest early on was due to external reasons. That being said I don't find his recent play as towny as a lot of others do, though I think that mafia mills pretty much holds the course tbh rather than bothering to change, so I will say lean town read for now, I want to see how good his reads end up being on flipped people. Interesting that he dislikes Twin, I want to see more about that as well.
- Blazade: Nothing's changed here, he's one of my strongest town reads.
- Blue_Tornado: He's posted a bit more and given some legitimate reasons for why he's been somewhat inactive; I still lean mafia on him but he is not nearly as likely as he was 200 posts ago.
- Da Letter El: Zero contribution. None. I get that he's at a debate tournament but this really seems like his mafia play. If he doesn't start contributing tomorrow people really need to push him with votes.
- Flyhn: Less impressed by his play recently, downgrading him to lean town but I still don't see mafia Flyhn playing this way. I could see him maybe being a Third Party role though with his independent research, that hadn't occurred to me previously.
- Haruno: He's (?) looking worse and worse as the day's gone on to be honest. Zero activity lately, generally terrible connections with some of the scummiest players in the game, and has fallen off the face of the earth once it looked like I'd probably get mislynched. Definite mafia read.
- internet: He and acidphoenix are about as obvious mafia buddies as you can get tbh. Almost as obvious mafia as acidphoenix.
- Jalmont: I still read him as town, in that I think he'd be a lot less helpful as mafia or Third Party.
- King_: Moving more towards just straight town read in that acidphoenix more or less confirmed he isn't mafia. Concerning he has so many null reads though, that reads a bit like 'I want to contribute but don't want to actually tie myself to a bunch of people'.
- LightWolf: I still think he makes no sense as mafia, I lean town on him now but I am still concerned about the possibility he could be a lone wolf Broly. Highly doubt he's mafia unless I'm really truly garbage with the rest of my reads.
- macle: He like stepped up to defend me for one post then vanished off the face of the earth...this is pretty concerning to say the least. I strongly suspect that his play will elicit a lot of 'macle+US' mafia team theories, and his buddying kind of reminds me of Celever last game. Slight mafia lean on him for now, I want to see him draw connections or reads on others before making a solid determination though.
- Mithril: His activity's fallen off a bit but he still seems like a solid town read for me, he seems to be in the dark and trying to figure things out while also playing in a risk-averse manner I'm accustomed to seeing from him.
- rssp1: Well he's improved a bit since I last posted a list, I'm going to say Null because I need to see a lot more from him but I'd encourage people to re-read his posts in particular during the night if you have time, I am certainly not well-versed on what he's said.
- Steeledges->Twin (?): His vote on me makes zero sense, particularly after voting acidphoenix himself. Definitely a possible follow-up for mafia if/when acid flips mafia. That being said I think a few others make more sense (internet/Haruno in particular) as teammates for acid. Lean mafia.
- TIK->Walrein (?): Posting more than I thought while reading on a phone, making good deductions, raising points I hadn't considered, and playing in a safe manner. Way better than his play in Fire and Ice and not at all his scum meta I think, definite town read.
- UncleSam: What an amazing NOC player, always gets half his fellow villagers to misread pro-town shit as anti-town shit until they figure out wtf is going on. Literally happens every game, amazing. So amazing that this read isn't even changing!
- Yeti: A little concerning just how strongly she's been defending me, though I get that Yeti can get a read and then stick to it. Stop saying things for me before I can say them (like how I was trying a slightly different plan this game after learning from past mistakes and everyone misinterpreted it...) X_X Still a town read in that I've pretty much thought everything she's said has been spot-on correct, and that was her town meta in Fire and Ice.
That king_ post is so useless you can't just null read 90% of the game and have slight reads on people it doesn't do anything and it feels like you are just trying to coast through this game by not actually committing to any read
Also what do you want to hear from me unclesam also i subbed in for tik not steeledges
Also what do you want to hear from me unclesam also i subbed in for tik not steeledges
Unvote
Vote Acidphoenix
I'll try to get a reads post out before the end of the day. Acid does seem to have conceeded at this point. I thought he'd have posted a little more when the pressure didn't seem to back down.
Vote Acidphoenix
I'll try to get a reads post out before the end of the day. Acid does seem to have conceeded at this point. I thought he'd have posted a little more when the pressure didn't seem to back down.
Votals
acidphoenix (9) - UncleSam, Blazade, rssp1, Yeti, Walrein, jalmont, King_, billymills, asek
UncleSam (4) - internet, Haruno, acidphoenix, Thetwinmasters
Jalmont (2) - Da Letter El, LightWolf
Thetwinmasters (1) - macle
internet (1) - Mithril
billymills (1) - Flyhn
Walrein (1) - Blue_Tornado
acidphoenix (9) - UncleSam, Blazade, rssp1, Yeti, Walrein, jalmont, King_, billymills, asek
UncleSam (4) - internet, Haruno, acidphoenix, Thetwinmasters
Jalmont (2) - Da Letter El, LightWolf
Thetwinmasters (1) - macle
internet (1) - Mithril
billymills (1) - Flyhn
Walrein (1) - Blue_Tornado
i just wrote up a post but then deleted it since i forgot my mouse at home but ill try to remember everything i said since i have to go to bed since i gotta get up early for teh wedding
the reason why i was fine with a US lynch was because i believed what yeti / bily / lw said about US play style changing from other games when hes town. Also if us dies, i feel we gain a lot of info compared to the other choices but i believe internet / acid to be more likely mafia.
the reason why i was fine with a US lynch was because i believed what yeti / bily / lw said about US play style changing from other games when hes town. Also if us dies, i feel we gain a lot of info compared to the other choices but i believe internet / acid to be more likely mafia.
Also some thoughts on the game
Top 2 town reads for me have to be lightwolf and blazade their play seems consistently town to me
top scum reads are acid internet macle because they have refused to contributed or have contributed nothing meaningful
I highly doubt sam and billy are scum together
Its very worrying to me that yeti is defending sam but everything else seems town to me
I think asek is a noobtown cause I highly doubt he makes that post if he is in a mafia team considering they have live communication
I can't read dle at all since he is afk though i haven't seen him on irc or ps so i guess that is a little bit better than being on there and straight up ignoring this game
Also if acid flips mafia I don't see how i'm a candidate for a mafia teammate since i was the first one to actually put a vote on him
For you sam some things that make me think you could be a mafia is the drastic change in playstyle though that also by explained by you changing your town playstyle and in my opinion if you flip I get a lot more solid reads on other people though with the acid vote on you if acid flips mafia you are a lot cleaner imo. also lynching you is fun
and since acid has disappeared again
Unvote
Lynch acidphoenix
at least you are getting a banner xD
Top 2 town reads for me have to be lightwolf and blazade their play seems consistently town to me
top scum reads are acid internet macle because they have refused to contributed or have contributed nothing meaningful
I highly doubt sam and billy are scum together
Its very worrying to me that yeti is defending sam but everything else seems town to me
I think asek is a noobtown cause I highly doubt he makes that post if he is in a mafia team considering they have live communication
I can't read dle at all since he is afk though i haven't seen him on irc or ps so i guess that is a little bit better than being on there and straight up ignoring this game
Also if acid flips mafia I don't see how i'm a candidate for a mafia teammate since i was the first one to actually put a vote on him
For you sam some things that make me think you could be a mafia is the drastic change in playstyle though that also by explained by you changing your town playstyle and in my opinion if you flip I get a lot more solid reads on other people though with the acid vote on you if acid flips mafia you are a lot cleaner imo. also lynching you is fun
and since acid has disappeared again
Unvote
Lynch acidphoenix
at least you are getting a banner xD
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