Anyway hold up I'm being asked to do like 4 things and I've got 10 minutes lol
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For now I'm not really sure why he votes me specifically here. "People seem to think Blazade is mafia" is two people with other scumreads (who are just wrong on me btw)
I guess you're right in that I gave LW a bit of credit later but I think after a day of what seemed to be natural opinions and a proper defense of acid phoenix I was more ok to lean town but still place him at unsure and ask questions.
For now I'm not really sure why he votes me specifically here. "People seem to think Blazade is mafia" is two people with other scumreads (who are just wrong on me btw)
I guess you're right in that I gave LW a bit of credit later but I think after a day of what seemed to be natural opinions and a proper defense of acid phoenix I was more ok to lean town but still place him at unsure and ask questions.
I'll explain the LW scumread first.
I've already gone into some depth onto the Blazade/LW scumteam analysis so I'm not going to spend much time on that and it isn't a reason to independently scumread LW.
1. He comes out guns blazing against UncleSam. Read the Sam/LW interactions. Sam and LW are not usually allies in mafia games, but the straight up antagonism from LW feels completely out of place.
a. It feels like it comes from a place of knowing that UncleSam is of a differing alignment, of which only occurs as LW scum. There are similar implications coming from Sam at LW as well that made me believe that it was TvS. Given Sam's town flip, if I am to believe that Sam v LW was TvS, then logically I would conclude LW is scum.
b. LightWolf lets the US vs LW thing drag on way too long. Somewhat similar to "scum speculate on set up for too long" that I think Blazade may be applicable to, LightWolf just sort of stubbornly sticks with this RAWR SAM IS WRONG RAWR. Town!Lightwolf would conclude much earlier that Sam could be town with him and back off of the aggression via vote and via "everything you do is wrong" implications coming from the UncleSam Asek unvote to the entertaining of the Flyhn idea of Buu/Vegeta simply claiming PR instead of their whole role.
c. I already pointed out the hypocrisy in how he went about this earlier, to which LW responded and I haven't spent too much time pouring through, but his response seemed to be "I already had my vote on him so I already had pressure on him" as his main justification. Hopefully this is a fair characterization
2. He does the thing where he says "I'm not voting you for XYZ reasons." Town don't care to share why they aren't voting for people they aren't voting for. THis is a scum justification on why they're doing what they're doing because they feel as though town need to understand where they're coming from. It's pre-defense rather than active scumhunting, which is really really scummy. It's something I did a ton in the Sunday game, if you were curious. I had a justification for EVERYTHING. This reads identically.
I've already gone into some depth onto the Blazade/LW scumteam analysis so I'm not going to spend much time on that and it isn't a reason to independently scumread LW.
1. He comes out guns blazing against UncleSam. Read the Sam/LW interactions. Sam and LW are not usually allies in mafia games, but the straight up antagonism from LW feels completely out of place.
a. It feels like it comes from a place of knowing that UncleSam is of a differing alignment, of which only occurs as LW scum. There are similar implications coming from Sam at LW as well that made me believe that it was TvS. Given Sam's town flip, if I am to believe that Sam v LW was TvS, then logically I would conclude LW is scum.
b. LightWolf lets the US vs LW thing drag on way too long. Somewhat similar to "scum speculate on set up for too long" that I think Blazade may be applicable to, LightWolf just sort of stubbornly sticks with this RAWR SAM IS WRONG RAWR. Town!Lightwolf would conclude much earlier that Sam could be town with him and back off of the aggression via vote and via "everything you do is wrong" implications coming from the UncleSam Asek unvote to the entertaining of the Flyhn idea of Buu/Vegeta simply claiming PR instead of their whole role.
c. I already pointed out the hypocrisy in how he went about this earlier, to which LW responded and I haven't spent too much time pouring through, but his response seemed to be "I already had my vote on him so I already had pressure on him" as his main justification. Hopefully this is a fair characterization
2. He does the thing where he says "I'm not voting you for XYZ reasons." Town don't care to share why they aren't voting for people they aren't voting for. THis is a scum justification on why they're doing what they're doing because they feel as though town need to understand where they're coming from. It's pre-defense rather than active scumhunting, which is really really scummy. It's something I did a ton in the Sunday game, if you were curious. I had a justification for EVERYTHING. This reads identically.
I have to leave now I can't post the specific posts but 78 and 129 pinged me out that I mentioned before regarding Blazade
I can post a lynch vote from my phone but I really hope it's on one of Blazade/LW. Pls dont fail me town
Lol i totally thought deadline was at 9 and not 10 and was freaking out when my phone reception was being booty
Heres my thoughts on a few players i think are ok lynch targets. unvoting for now
Internet and Twin I covered back earlier in the day and nothings really changed on them.
King_ : Thinking about this today and i realized that unclesam dying and flipping town actually makes king_ look very good. He was constantly posting in agreeance with him, generally making himself look similar in views to him, lots of parroting etc. Through sam dying King_ actually looks very good, and he can claim to say that he was on the side of a townie throughout and as such shouldnt be mafia. This is (however) part of the reason im suspicous of him. This looks to me like king_ actually had a lot to gain through a sam town flip, and the fact that he continues to take very soft stances with his posts with many null reads and just harping onto what other people are saying makes me have a bit of a scum read on him.
Haruno: Got reaaaly jumpy when jalmont randvoted him. The reaction to the vote was to be honest quite strange for a townie. He is acting really defensive, voting back at jalmont and trying to point out all the reasons why he is wrong, and hasn't really made any solid posts today except for trying to divert any sort of lynch focus off himself. Has been dodging the thread I think to try get further heat off him.
Macle + B_T : generally flying under the rader. Could be due to IRL stuffs, could be mafia trying to fly under the rader. dont really have a read either way due to generaly not posting much but not opposed to either being lynched either.
I need to catch up on the postings against blazade / lightwolf before vote time. wish me luck
Internet and Twin I covered back earlier in the day and nothings really changed on them.
King_ : Thinking about this today and i realized that unclesam dying and flipping town actually makes king_ look very good. He was constantly posting in agreeance with him, generally making himself look similar in views to him, lots of parroting etc. Through sam dying King_ actually looks very good, and he can claim to say that he was on the side of a townie throughout and as such shouldnt be mafia. This is (however) part of the reason im suspicous of him. This looks to me like king_ actually had a lot to gain through a sam town flip, and the fact that he continues to take very soft stances with his posts with many null reads and just harping onto what other people are saying makes me have a bit of a scum read on him.
Haruno: Got reaaaly jumpy when jalmont randvoted him. The reaction to the vote was to be honest quite strange for a townie. He is acting really defensive, voting back at jalmont and trying to point out all the reasons why he is wrong, and hasn't really made any solid posts today except for trying to divert any sort of lynch focus off himself. Has been dodging the thread I think to try get further heat off him.
Macle + B_T : generally flying under the rader. Could be due to IRL stuffs, could be mafia trying to fly under the rader. dont really have a read either way due to generaly not posting much but not opposed to either being lynched either.
I need to catch up on the postings against blazade / lightwolf before vote time. wish me luck
I'm not super sure how to take this because it feels sort of like buddying and is unexpected but appreciated. It is accurate that I have a mix of serious vs trolly posts (for a reason).
Haruno feels like he was doing what DLE did Day 2 in F&I asking about the kills - who did them, why, etc. DLE did this as scum so he could set up "well I never kill X because xyz" But Really if he lets his partner pick the kill or lies then k. Haruno focusing so much on who does the kills and why when tbh it's pretty inconclusive feels, again, like scum trying to seem town the way Blazade does and also distance himself from one of those kills. And/or he is a neutral trying to gain insight into how the mafias killed (or maybe android who failed to same target last night lol) so when he goes to pick his kill target perhaps he can be sure how to avoid double targeting with them.
Da Letter El since this was your playstyle how do you read Haruno's early D2 behavior/discussion?
There are a crapton of scum alive so you can throw a stone and be just as likely to hit scum as town.
LW/Blazade/Twin/Haruno/BT/Mithril/macle/internet/DLE are all commonly suspected (by each other) but that's too many to ALL be scum. That would leave me/billy/jalmont/asek as the towniest of the town which idk how to feel about billy, he feels pretty apathetic to the game which I think would happen if he's mafia and his teammates are active enough to cover for him and not if he's neutral or town.
I am sort of wary of how many people are now suddenly open to a Blazade lynch at EoD2 after he was townread so heavily D1. Seems like mafia might be mobilizing to bus him out of the game due to me suspecting him and him suspecting 2+ of their members strongly.
unvote
vote Haruno
Thoughts?
I assume you mean page 18?
Read through it, nothing huge pinged me as anti-town. The "how do you know it was Broly" thing maybe is weird in response to Asek, but rest of it seemed to be coming from a place of "this is the info I have, what do." It's only suspicious when someone uses that to push an agenda, like I was doing in F&I
Read through it, nothing huge pinged me as anti-town. The "how do you know it was Broly" thing maybe is weird in response to Asek, but rest of it seemed to be coming from a place of "this is the info I have, what do." It's only suspicious when someone uses that to push an agenda, like I was doing in F&I
jalmont and rssp1 are probably my only big town reads because everyone else comes off as suspicious or shady to me. King_ is probably town as well. His endless lean/null reads strike me as "town with no idea wtf is going on or how to read these people" more than mafia trying to look semi relevant with a bunch of garbo reads. asek I dunno, he could be swapped for someone like DLE or macle in the scum list easily but there ARE 7 scum so it's like, there are more than 7 scummy reads but idk. Yall idling shady mfers shady af.
Blazade reads:
#581 I read that LW vs Sam interaction as just bullheaded personalities doing meta spec and I had a TvT on it myself - trying to clean LW?
#577 seems like an OMGUS vote onto internet for voting him, probably NOT on a team together if 1 flips mafia
#574 "no time" to fight with DLE why? there was an hour and a half to lay out some arguments in. seems like a cop out
#568 is he not in favor of a DLE lynch here? why does he say find someone else? wat? does he know DLE will flip town?
#567 but here he says he can support a DLE lynch over haruno or BT, maybe King_ (why?) or Twin, also seems sort of defensive of a BT lynch with the "he's gonna be inactive today" thing which tbh I'd lynch BT around anyway based off my D1 read
#523 defensive of BT again and I don't think he ever answered me when I called him out for it
#516 doesn't like King_ voting BT but why tho? BT was fairly well scumread, I don't see any reason to be so up in arms about it, especially when Blazade didn't really call Mithril out for voting me in one of the noobiest possible votes
#510 for a DLE push, makes me think they aren't on a team together unless this is Blazade opportunistically trying to bus off iDLE and get towncred alongside me and whoever else was in favor of iDLE roll when he flips scum, also "I just hate when Sam is proven right and someone needs to be belligerent in order to get people to actually do something." strikes me as just such suspicious wording, as if Blazade wanted Sam out of the way for JUST THAT so he could a. take over that role b. not call out his idling teammates
#487 Blazade posts a bunch of leantown/leanscum/null reads here and Twin doesn't call them out like he does King's. SOMETHING TO NOTE. Twin and King are most likely not on the same team but Twin and Blazade is entirely possible. Blazade says Twin is doing "fine for now" but what had Twin himself contributed over someone like Haruno or asek at that point in the day to warrant it?
running out of time and I posted my ISOs of D1 Blazade on D1 so go back and read them but basically I just don't like his actions, I think he tries to sound town but actually isn't. He overexplains and gets too defensive in a way other people don't because he has something to hide.
Blazade reads:
#581 I read that LW vs Sam interaction as just bullheaded personalities doing meta spec and I had a TvT on it myself - trying to clean LW?
#577 seems like an OMGUS vote onto internet for voting him, probably NOT on a team together if 1 flips mafia
#574 "no time" to fight with DLE why? there was an hour and a half to lay out some arguments in. seems like a cop out
#568 is he not in favor of a DLE lynch here? why does he say find someone else? wat? does he know DLE will flip town?
#567 but here he says he can support a DLE lynch over haruno or BT, maybe King_ (why?) or Twin, also seems sort of defensive of a BT lynch with the "he's gonna be inactive today" thing which tbh I'd lynch BT around anyway based off my D1 read
#523 defensive of BT again and I don't think he ever answered me when I called him out for it
#516 doesn't like King_ voting BT but why tho? BT was fairly well scumread, I don't see any reason to be so up in arms about it, especially when Blazade didn't really call Mithril out for voting me in one of the noobiest possible votes
#510 for a DLE push, makes me think they aren't on a team together unless this is Blazade opportunistically trying to bus off iDLE and get towncred alongside me and whoever else was in favor of iDLE roll when he flips scum, also "I just hate when Sam is proven right and someone needs to be belligerent in order to get people to actually do something." strikes me as just such suspicious wording, as if Blazade wanted Sam out of the way for JUST THAT so he could a. take over that role b. not call out his idling teammates
#487 Blazade posts a bunch of leantown/leanscum/null reads here and Twin doesn't call them out like he does King's. SOMETHING TO NOTE. Twin and King are most likely not on the same team but Twin and Blazade is entirely possible. Blazade says Twin is doing "fine for now" but what had Twin himself contributed over someone like Haruno or asek at that point in the day to warrant it?
running out of time and I posted my ISOs of D1 Blazade on D1 so go back and read them but basically I just don't like his actions, I think he tries to sound town but actually isn't. He overexplains and gets too defensive in a way other people don't because he has something to hide.
starting to be persuaded by twin!scum arguments
I'll probably make a post relevant to the stuff that's been going on in this thread tomorrow but DLE's posts have been solid (although I don't necessarily agree with all of them) and I hope that this level of posting keeps up
I still don't see the Blazade logic but that might just be because of my own strong bias since Blazade's play strongly resembles my town leader play (which has never been seen here because I cant wallpost anymore without spending too much time).
I guess I have been scum in previous games and had that same play but it's generally the way I play when i'm town. That does mean the arguments may hold some merit, though. I dunno, i'm currently against a Blazade link and would like to hear more from Haruno since it seems that he's disappeared
I still don't see the Blazade logic but that might just be because of my own strong bias since Blazade's play strongly resembles my town leader play (which has never been seen here because I cant wallpost anymore without spending too much time).
I guess I have been scum in previous games and had that same play but it's generally the way I play when i'm town. That does mean the arguments may hold some merit, though. I dunno, i'm currently against a Blazade link and would like to hear more from Haruno since it seems that he's disappeared
I could 100% see the Sam kill by LW and Blazade or BT - BT because he knows he's going to be afk today and doesn't want Sam pressuring him for it, specifically, and either of the two because their other two teammates are idlers Sam called out heavily. I think D3 will be vital to look back at the idlers Sam grilled the hardest.
I still think Sam is a stupid kill when you can mislynch him but I think LW does it because the Sam v LW feud was making LW look bad, neither is going to let up the next day, and LW does some weird honor killing onto Sam because LW doesn't think Sam deserves me Or Something lmfao
Someone on the mafia team was too afraid they wouldn't be able to mislynch Sam (or kill me first to do so) and/or that Sam was pressuring their idlers way too hard. Whoever had the most motive for this D1 is his killer. Maybe since he was the first kill he was the Broly kill? I assume wolf outspeeds mafia. Or android kill if LW is an android.
I still think Sam is a stupid kill when you can mislynch him but I think LW does it because the Sam v LW feud was making LW look bad, neither is going to let up the next day, and LW does some weird honor killing onto Sam because LW doesn't think Sam deserves me Or Something lmfao
Someone on the mafia team was too afraid they wouldn't be able to mislynch Sam (or kill me first to do so) and/or that Sam was pressuring their idlers way too hard. Whoever had the most motive for this D1 is his killer. Maybe since he was the first kill he was the Broly kill? I assume wolf outspeeds mafia. Or android kill if LW is an android.
also ayo broly, you probably wanna try to shoot a mafia read of yours tonight so that lynches start getting directed towards scum interactions partners of the dead person if we mislynch today. You're gonna get overrun by scum numbers or by the lynch eventually otherwise.
yes clearly, as judging by how i name a target
btw there are 9 minutes to deadline so
Asek
billymills
Blazade
Blue_Tornado
Da Letter El
Flyhn
Haruno
internet
Jalmont
King_
LightWolf
macle
Mithril
rssp1
Thetwinmasters
prolly need to solidify a lynch here lads
oh btw i forgot flyhn in my reads but he's town too
trust him and jalmont tomorrow i m o
Asek
billymills
Blazade
Blue_Tornado
Da Letter El
Flyhn
Haruno
internet
Jalmont
King_
LightWolf
macle
Mithril
rssp1
Thetwinmasters
prolly need to solidify a lynch here lads
oh btw i forgot flyhn in my reads but he's town too
trust him and jalmont tomorrow i m o
I can't go back through the whole thread and quote posts on my phone that's why I don't have time for a well reasoned fight.
I liked the BT vote from king but was very surprised by it and wanted more from him. I probably should have sounded so taken aback because it scared him off but whatever
Unlike King_ when I posted a nullish read I generally explained what I felt were the strikes for and against the person. I figured that was the reason twin pressed king and not me.
DLE's posts got more fleshed out and my OMGUS mindset laxed a little there. I thought he was going for the me quicklynch from the beginning of today but came around. I am all over the place on it right now because I am out tbh.
Internet however comes out to push me as the preeminent of DLE's many scumreads for seemingly no reason.
Why am I killing Sam and Walrein the two people who most strongly townread me as mafia. What mislynch am I pushing here? What's my big plan?
I liked the BT vote from king but was very surprised by it and wanted more from him. I probably should have sounded so taken aback because it scared him off but whatever
Unlike King_ when I posted a nullish read I generally explained what I felt were the strikes for and against the person. I figured that was the reason twin pressed king and not me.
DLE's posts got more fleshed out and my OMGUS mindset laxed a little there. I thought he was going for the me quicklynch from the beginning of today but came around. I am all over the place on it right now because I am out tbh.
Internet however comes out to push me as the preeminent of DLE's many scumreads for seemingly no reason.
Why am I killing Sam and Walrein the two people who most strongly townread me as mafia. What mislynch am I pushing here? What's my big plan?
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