People just spam the Will O Wisp / Hex set and seem to have forgotten the power of Taunt / Destiny Bond. That's why Chansey rose up from the dead.
Choice Band Groudon is a legit set, and is the only niche I can see on it.Regular Groudon to D
Why ever use this over Primal Groudon again?
Is it seriously the lack of a Ground weakness? Because it's 4KOed instead of 2KOed by Primal Groudon's Precipice Blades? Is that IT?
It's still outclassed by Primal Groudon in every other way. I don't know about everyone else, but when I'm fighting Primal Groudon, I leave things to the actually decent Ground-immune answers.
Regular Groudon has such a tiny niche that it's not really worth using.
RIP Metagross.Big update incoming!!! To make things look less confusing, new placements will be mentioned against other new mon placements where applicable, as I doubt anyone fully remembers the rankings before this update.
Update List:
Mega Gengar: A+ >>> S (Above Mega Salamence)
Darkrai: S >>> A+ (Top of A+)
Deoxys-A: A- >>> A+ (Above Arceus-Water)
Dialga: B+ >>> A (Above the newly placed Giratina-O)
Lugia: A+ >>> A (Above Arceus-Ghost)
Giratina-O: A+ >>> A- (Bottom of A)
Deoxys-S: A >>> A- (Below the newly placed Yveltal)
Latios: A >>> A- (Above the newly placed Landorus-T)
Landorus-T: B+ >>> A- (Bottom of A-)
Mewtwo: A- >>> B+ (Top of B+)
Mega Sableye: A >>> B+ (Below the newly placed Mewtwo)
Bronzong: B >>> B+ (Below Arceus-Rock)
Mega Mewtwo Y: B >>> B+ (Above Skarmory)
Latias: B+ >>> B (Top of B)
Arceus-Fairy: B- >>> B (Above Zekrom)
Chansey: Unranked >>> B- (Top of B-)
Blissey: B >>> B- (Below the newly placed Chansey)
Mega Slowbro: B- >>> C+ (Above Cresselia)
Ditto: C- >>> C (Top of C)
Mega Blaziken: C+ >>> D (Rest in peace)
Moved Inside Their Rank:
Xerneas (Top of S)
Arceus-Water (Bottom of A+)
Yveltal (Top of A-)
Mega Kangaskhan (Above Shaymin-S in B+)
Pokemon that did not achieve a majority opinion* for moving (and therefore didn't move):
Arceus-Ground
Arceus-Ghost
Arceus-Normal
Ho-Oh
Rayquaza
*Majority opinion needs more than half the posts in agreement of moving. Like counts on both sides were intitally considered but were found to have major flaws as a method of measurement of support - ZF's post alone would influence more than half the rankings by itself if they were considered. Counting likes on a post also leads to "I agreed with one part, but not x". In future, if you agree with a post, post in agreement for it to count towards an update.
The mods are in the process of making an official decision towards mons that were originally approved for an analysis and later removed. This is the main reason Tentacruel didn't go anywhere either. Once that's cleared up Metagross will be sorted out.RIP Metagross.
Why isn't Clefable ranked?
Do you know how good of an ability Unaware is? Able to reliably counter Geoneas and EK Arceus with it, it can't counter them both at once but it's still a notable niche.
Clefable differences itself from the other general top tier threat counters with Heal Bell and Wish. Wish is really underrated IMO and there are so many Pokemon in the tier that want it, particularly P-Don benefits from Wish support. Blissey can't beat the E-Killer, but Clefable can.
Clefable isn't a very good Pokemon but C- is for Pokemon that are not very good but still have a tiny place in the metagame, which Clefable does.
Somewhere in C-, if I had to choose where it went I'd say in between Lando and Megawile but I really don't care where in it it goes as long as it gets ranked.
Nah, Clefable being unranked is pretty ridiculous. Unaware Clefable can beat any Xerneas Set [Unless it's Choice Specs or Moonblast critical hit], Any Darkrai Set [Clefable only fears a LO-boosted sludge bomb, which is less common nowadays with more darkrais opting to run thunder instead], Non-LO Normal Arceus [Toxic Stall], and Yveltal - These are just the most prominent threats that I can think of atm but there are more. Mega-Gengar is the main issue but Clefable works well with something like Pursuit Tyranitar / M-Scizor for "attempting" to get rid of mega-gengar, of course neither are guarantees because it depends on the gengar set and if you can predict correctly but you get the idea. I've personally used both Calm Mind Clefable [to beat stallbreakers like rest talk xern] and Toxic Clefable to success myself. Clefable can also Heal Bell which is a pretty big deal considering how status-heavy ORAS Ubers is. Lastly Primal Groudon isn't a a completely safe switch into Clefable because you still have to worry about Toxic, although it switches in easily on a predicted moonlight / wish / heal bell or whatever.If I recall correctly Clefable was unranked in March(God damn this thread is old) after Fireburn made a really good case against it(that Clefable was not worth using over Blissey when comparing bulk and ability to stop special sweepers).
Compare and contrast as well Blissey's one weakness(that's really only on the physical side) in comparison to Clefable's two(thus a worse matchup against threats like Mega Gengar) and the latter's much higher vulnerability to status(the former has Natural Cure so it can just switch out if afflicted).
Clef is just straight outclassed.
Okay, since I said so, I'll be making a full list of stuff that has gone unmentioned:
Alomomola from C+ to C-
I really don't so what's so great about Alomomola.
If this thing is ranked so high, then Gourgeist should be ranked as well.
Put it under Groudon in C-
When the analysis was written, (I think) Gengar and Sword dance Groudon aren't as common, while Ho-oh was more commonly seen and the meta was kind to this thing. But I do agree its viability need to be revisited
Tentacruel from C+ to D
Basically the same as mentioned above, although this goes even more so for this mon.
Put it above Arceus-Psychic, and under Arceus-Flying I guess.
Similar to Alo, the meta was kind to it as there was fewer Gengar to block spin and absorb Toxic Spikes. But again its viability need to be revisited
Palkia from C to D
Palkia has been great in past generations, but it has 0 to no use in this one.
I'd say put it at the top of D rank.
Palkia on site Life Orb set still have great coverage, able to Focus punch Blissey is a plus, it is fine at where it is at
Cresselia from C+ to C-
It has a ground immunity, and can provide utility, I get that.
But don't you think that it dies before it can really do anything, as well as hand out set-up opportunities to some mons?
Put it at the bottom of C-
It checks P Groudon (read: the most dominant monster) better than Lugia due to the lack of rock weakness and more recovery in Sun (Moonlight). Plus it still checks a few other physical monster like Ho-oh, Physical Ray, and Kangashan (lack ice punch weakness is a plus). It is worthy of C+ and fine at where it is
Clefable from Unranked to C
Like stated before, Clefable is able to "cockblock" most offensive orientated Arceus forms, Yveltal, Tyranitar, etc.
However, Clefable can be a bit too specific, and loses hard to the S rank threat that goes by the name of Mega Gengar.
Above Arceus-Poison, under Arceus-Fighting in C rank should do it justice.
Magsyy cal shows why this isn't viable, the things that you intended to check like Xerneas can 2HKO you. Calm mind Arceus form is uncommon these days. And Mega Gengar was a big pain to deal with.
Mega Blaziken from D to C-
For the reasons stated in my post above.
It is, however, frail, takes up a mega slot, and I am aware that Primal Kyogre is still a part of this meta.
Putting it above Landorus-I, and under the newly moved Alomomola in C- should be good.
No comment as I am not familiar with this monster
I'm not planning on covering everything, and I probably missed some.
I hope that others will take a look at the viability thread, and cover everything that I haven't (or possibly the same).
Regular Blaziken has all of those things, but is actually marginally stronger and - importantly - does not take up a Mega slot. I'm not a big fan of the 'opportunity cost' argument in some situations when it comes to Mega Pokemon, but Mega Blaziken is honestly almost impossible to justify over its base forme when it is so limiting to builds.While I'm at it, I'd like to mention Mega Blaziken.
It's definitely not the best mega, but it has an amazing ability that goes by the name of Speed Boost, a good movepool, and acces to Swords Dance on top of all that.