Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKII

[Gladio]

I agree that Aether is probably the true villain.
But it is also possible that Aether members fully believe in their own ideals, instead of being cover ups like Team Plasma.
Just that the main character opposes Aether's ideals, and has his own ideals.

But then, I'd say that the Aether lab is really iffy.


Lol, I thought you changed your name like really quick after the reveal. xD

What's funny is that i've used and kept this name for years now and i've never seen anyone use it, except in rare occasions that you can literally count on one hand. Now more people will use it and it'll be the new Goku/Link of the month >_>. They'll probably change it in the Italian version (as always), but boy what a coincidence this is^^. I can already see a close friend of mine who says that "I'm Nintendo" (because I always beat him 1v1) haunting me for years to come.

That "DIO" logic is flawless, though TheMantyke. Pretty sure fanart of him going "mudamudamuda" will pop up soon^^

 

[Buzzer_Error]

Type: Null is the first Pokemon to have a different Spanish name compared to English name.

Or is it not a real name?

Here's hoping, its name seems pretty confected as is.

At the risk of harping on about the "Aether Foundation + bean names" thing: Lusamine's name in other languages is some variant on saman or samin - French Elsa-Mina, German Samantha, Italian & Spanish Samina. There's a kind of tree called a saman, which is a member of the bean family Fabaceae, and whose range "extends from Mexico south to Peru and Brazil, but it has been widely introduced to South and Southeast Asia, as well as the Pacific Islands, including Hawaii [emphasis mine]."

They'll probably change it in the Italian version (as always)

Yep, in Italian he's Iridio.

 

[Kiga]

Type: Null is the first Pokemon to have a different Spanish name compared to English name.

Or is it not a real name?

Honestly, it sounds more like a classification name, like UB-01 is, than an actual species name. It wouldn't surprise me if the pokédex has a different name for it.

 

[Frankie Avalon]

I have a theory: Type:Null is a chimera made by men using the starters (mostly their evolutions) and rockruff ( and his evolutions). Why?
The tail reminds me a water-type pokemon and in this case popplio's evo.
The body reminds me the litten line and are catlike to me.
The forelegs are green and reminds me the birds legs
The head could be related to rockruff's possible evolution, but this is could be a little far-fetched.

What do you guys think?

 

[LastFootnote]

And we have now seen a normal Alakazam in gameplay footage, making it ever less likely that the "leak" with Water-type Growlithe line and Fighting-type Abra line is real.

 

[TheMantyke]

I'm sure most of you have seen the other Japanese trailer already which confirmed some neat stuff like character customization, but I wanted to point something out. At the start of the video, Mimikyuu's HP was shown to be 130 at level 50. This means it has anywhere from 70 to 23 base HP. I think the most likely amount is 55 Base HP given that that's around the number ghost Pokemon normally have and that 55 Base HP with 31 IVs and 0 EVs is exactly 130.

 

[Pyritie]

For the people still trying to figure out Gladion's name origins, I think you're overcomplicating things. Ultimately, he's a blonde guy with the name GlaDIOn

Jangmo-o reminded me of josuke as well.

 

[Cresselia~~]

They all have blond, choppy hair and green eyes.
I really think they are related.

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PS: Please give Alolan Jynx this hairstyle. I'm loving it. This hairstyle looks great but not very human at the same time.

 

[Cresselia92]

Type: Null is the first Pokemon to have a different Spanish name compared to English name.

Or is it not a real name?

Same thing in Italy, with Type: Null's name being "Tipo Zero". I suppose this means that all languages will have their own codenames for this Pokémon or something like this.

 

[Rarycaris]

Honestly, it sounds more like a classification name, like UB-01 is, than an actual species name. It wouldn't surprise me if the pokédex has a different name for it.

FWIW, the Japanese battle screen with Gladion seems to have Type: Null as the listed name for this... whatever it is. Have we ever had a Pokemon not have its proper name listed in the battle screen? It would cause weird problems if it were traded to a player who hadn't gotten to that point in the story yet. Then again, we've got opposing trainers using custom balls for the first time, so why not opposing trainers using nicknamed Pokemon (and a ??? dex entry, just like what happens if you get a Pokemon in the National Dex before unlocking it)?

The only thing I can think of is if we never actually get to catch it (a la AZ's Floette), or when we do, it becomes a different Pokemon (like 10% Zygarde which we then have to complete or something). If it is a unique Pokemon, and Gladion has it, then the only way we'll get it if at all is a BW2 N's Dragon type situation.

This is probably just wishful thinking, though. If Type: Null is its actual name, then it's going to be incredibly confusing and the "Game Freak are running out of ideas" crowd is going to have a field day. And while its design is cool and chimeric, mechanically it's shaping up to be incredibly boring. A normal type with a boring ability for a concept like this? Really?

 

[Mova]

Since UB-01 is not actually a Pokémon, does that mean that these Ultra Beasts take neutral damage from everything when fought as bosses? That means they just need to get their asses kicked like most RPG bosses.

 

[Dakress]

Colress looks like he'd fit right into aether.

A little too exactly if you ask me.

 

[Norne]

They all have blond, choppy hair and green eyes.
I really think they are related.

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PS: Please give Alolan Jynx this hairstyle. I'm loving it. This hairstyle looks great but not very human at the same time.

First thing that came to my mind was studio Gainax/TRIGGER with those color palettes and hairstyles.

A little too exactly if you ask me.

Colress did want to expose the true potential of Pokémon, the plot thickens.

 

[Taistelu]

I had faith in Sun and Moon...I believed the changes would make the game great. I believed that, despite all those worried about change, that Sun and Moon would release to massive positive reviews and sell millions. The changes would be great, they would breath fresh life into the series, it would give Sun and Moon a unique identity that won't be forgotten any time soon...

...and then we got a Pokemon called Type: Null.

 

[Chaoswalker]

Ok, I calmed down. I'm really excited for a pokemon game where a well meaning white coat organization creates horrible abomination never meant to be pokemon. Type Null looks horrible? Well that's probably because it's an affront to nature. Seriously, with that helment makes it look like every moment of its life is pain.

UB-01? Yeah, that just came out of the aether and it's too alien to even properly categorize. Woops, the foundation tampered with the fabric of reality and unleashed otherworldly horrors upon us.
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Either way, this is the off the beaten path pokemon plot of I've been wanting for. No gyms, the story is actually quite messed up (in a good way), and team skull is adorable.

 

[Deck Knight]

I had faith in Sun and Moon...I believed the changes would make the game great. I believed that, despite all those worried about change, that Sun and Moon would release to massive positive reviews and sell millions. The changes would be great, they would breath fresh life into the series, it would give Sun and Moon a unique identity that won't be forgotten any time soon...

...and then we got Pokemon called Type: Null and UB-01

To be honest with you, these names are INTENTIONALLY jarring and I think that's the point. Especially since they seem to be projects of an organization that claims to "love" Pokemon. Giving living creatures names similar to inanimate objects or compounds is very strong evidence against that claim, and these very strange mons were released in the same clip as Team Aether. I don't think that's accidental either.

How does this not exactly "give Sun and Moon a unique identity that won't be forgotten any time soon."

 

[Cainchin]

Type: Null is the first Pokemon to have a different Spanish name compared to English name.

Or is it not a real name?

Yeah, as a native spanish I also confirm this too in a sense the meaning is kind of diferent but not so much that it refers to totally diferent things, now I go in details:

English name is Type:Null if it was translated raw with the meaning as it is, it would be Tipo:Nulo but it is translated as Código Cero which in english the raw traduction is Code Zero.

The words are totally not the same but the meaning they convey is the same at the end though.

 

[zferolie]

So when is CoroCoro? We are supposed to learn rockruff's evo then, and maybe some more stuff too.

 

[Taistelu]

To be honest with you, these names are INTENTIONALLY jarring and I think that's the point. Especially since they seem to be projects of an organization that claims to "love" Pokemon. Giving living creatures names similar to inanimate objects or compounds is very strong evidence against that claim, and these very strange mons were released in the same clip as Team Aether. I don't think that's accidental either.

How does this not exactly "give Sun and Moon a unique identity that won't be forgotten any time soon."

Even so it could've been given a better name, like, its Type: Null....and Normal Typed. It has a Pokemon type. Like, what? The only typing that could make sense is Steel really. Also the word Pokemon is slapped everywhere on it.

Moving on from this naming issue, I love the fact the Pokemon Sun and Moon have more differences between themselves than other game pairs. Different Totem Pokemon on different versions is really nice and I hope they might just continue this with team selections for minor/major characters in the game.

 

[Project_Mars]

I may have missed it in the shuffle, but anyone thinking that Jangmo-o could be the first in the Psudo-legendary line? And if it does get part-steel, then Bulletproof becomes mostly useless... while Soundproof could be useful in VGC vs Pixilate Hyper Voice. (whenever that comes back.)

 

[Tsutsayosdi]

I had faith in Sun and Moon...I believed the changes would make the game great. I believed that, despite all those worried about change, that Sun and Moon would release to massive positive reviews and sell millions. The changes would be great, they would breath fresh life into the series, it would give Sun and Moon a unique identity that won't be forgotten any time soon...

...and then we got Pokemon called Type: Null and UB-01

They're laboratory code names of experiments. We're also given the impression that Ultra Beasts aren't Pokemon at all either.

 

[Siggu]

I may have missed it in the shuffle, but anyone thinking that Jangmo-o could be the first in the Psudo-legendary line? And if it does get part-steel, then Bulletproof becomes mostly useless... while Soundproof could be useful in VGC vs Pixilate Hyper Voice. (whenever that comes back.)

Bulletproof is still comparatively useless to Soundproof no matter if it ends up getting a secondary type (Especially if it gets a secondary type that is weak to Fairy). Only Ice Ball deals super-effective damage, and Focus Blast, Aura Sphere, Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb (and Gyro Ball) are the only relevant moves it does not resist. Meanwhile, immunity to Pixilate Hyper Voice can be pretty big (Of course we don't know its stats, but a potential evolution could walk all over Sylveon and Mega Gardevoir, otherwise unthinkables for dragons)

 

[Doubt]

"Type: Null"

What a name.

Also UB-01 sounds like some name you would give to a machine boss in some RPG though the name does make sense since it is the first Ultra Beast we know of hahaha.

They're laboratory code names of experiments. We're also given the impression that Ultra Beasts aren't Pokemon at all either.

Yeah, I got the impression that Type: Null is similar to Porygon, And UB-01 sounds alien to me, and it certainly looks alien enough. Names are a little weird though, even if they were alien/manmade ll

EDIT: Oh yeah, and the pokemon snap gameplay bit showed a normal Dragonite in it, so we're likely either not getting an Alolan form for it or non-Alolan forms can be caught/evolved in Alola!
EDIT2: Pokemon website confirms Type: Null is man-made, and mentions that UB-01 has the emotions of a little girl. That's kinda sad, in an intriguing way (Also, sorry if this information was said in the last like 7 pages, wanted to get my impressions out there, and didn't really want to read through like 7 pages of stuff!)

 

[Rarycaris]

Bulletproof is still comparatively useless to Soundproof no matter if it ends up getting a secondary type. Only Ice Ball deals super-effective damage, and Focus Blast, Aura Sphere, Shadow Ball and Sludge Bomb (and Gyro Ball) are the only relevant moves it does not resist.

That we know about. This is a new gen, remember? It wouldn't be at all weird for more such moves to be introduced.

Yeah, as a native spanish I also confirm this too in a sense the meaning is kind of diferent but not so much that it refers to totally diferent things, now I go in details:

English name is Type:Null if it was translated raw with the meaning as it is, it would be Tipo:Nulo but it is translated as Código Cero which in english the raw traduction is Code Zero.

The words are totally not the same but the meaning they convey is the same at the end though.

I think that lends credence to the idea that it's not an actual name, but a descriptor. Especially with that colon being so distinctive and yet conspicuously absent in the Spanish translation.

It's like naming something "</italics>" with there being nothing else interesting about it. Trying too hard to be weird for the sake of weird if it's the actual name. Making it mechanically boring (normal type, an ability that nobody really cares about) but jarringly nondescriptive name-wise is the kind of thing you'd do if it weren't actually meant to be used by the player, but covering up something more interesting when that mask is removed.

 

[Darvin]

So I'm looking at which pokemon Type Null's characteristics came from, and I can't help but notice that the cross around its neck looks like an incomplete version of the one around Arceus' body. God complex metaphor, anyone?