Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKII

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Holy moly rock priority. Hopefully it's not just day dog exclusive. But if it is, the Kalos starters's exclusive attacks lost exclusivity as soon as ORAS so it's not really a big deal. I really hope this guy will be viable.
 
I apologize if I missed it in this thread, but there's some tidbits here:
http://www.pokebeach.com/2016/09/rockruff-evolution-and-ultra-beasts-shown-in-corocoro

Namely:
1) Pokemon Sun and Pokemon Moon are not just different versions, but different dimensions.
2) Lugarugan Midday Form is said to be "too fast to follow", maybe hinting that it has a high Speed, but then again, Escavalier flies around at "high speed" despite 20 base Speed, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Double STAB priority Kabutops! Aqua Jet + AccelRock :O :O Or Carracosta, I suppose... I'm desperately trying to think of everything that has double STAB priority without abilities, can't think of much besides MLopunny and Dewgong. Gosh, I hope it's not (or at least not going to remain) a signature move.

I suppose since Night form's shown move was "counter", then if there's an even distribution (we know that the change isn't purely visual if there's movepool differences) then either Night form has its own signature move to be revealed later, or AccelRock simply isn't a signature move.

I wonder what Lugarugan's English name will be. Rock... rug... lug...rugaru...lycan... Bouldog. It's definitely Bouldog this time. Definitely definitely.
 
Double STAB priority Kabutops! Aqua Jet + AccelRock :O :O Or Carracosta, I suppose... I'm desperately trying to think of everything that has double STAB priority without abilities, can't think of much besides MLopunny and Dewgong. Gosh, I hope it's not (or at least not going to remain) a signature move.

Lucario also has Vacuum Wave and Bullet Punch but oddly not Mach Punch (Why does a fast punch move have such a scarce distribution?)
 
in case anyone was curious, i switched Quick Attack's type to rock and changed Abomasnow's typing to include Rock and ran this vs OU Bulky Talon. (Aboma has base 92 attack)
252+ Atk Life Orb Abomasnow Quick Attack vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Talonflame: 395-468 (110 - 130.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So Day Wolf definitely has an opportunity to be a check to Talonflame, just needs to Outspeed and have at least 90 base attack or so.
 
in case anyone was curious, i switched Quick Attack's type to rock and changed Abomasnow's typing to include Rock and ran this vs OU Bulky Talon. (Aboma has base 92 attack)


So Day Wolf definitely has an opportunity to be a check to Talonflame, just needs to Outspeed and have at least 90 base attack or so.
I can see Day Wolf doing one or the other, but I can't see it doing both unfortunately
 
I'm aware of all this. Except nothing in Pokemon hasn't been a Pokemon before apart from the Pokestar Studios things (as far as I remember). .
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dark_Rust
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Bittercold
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dark_Matter

These are in spinoffs so not sure how much they count, but they're all enemies that can be encountered and fought but are still canonically not pokemon. Dark Rust and Dark Matter even speak with the player, implying they can think for themselves.
 
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^^ You may want to add the Marowak ghost from RBY to it too, since it is uncatchable and all. Though, being the ghost of a Marowak, it certainly was a Pokémon at some point...
 
^^ You may want to add the Marowak ghost from RBY to it too, since it is uncatchable and all. Though, being the ghost of a Marowak, it certainly was a Pokémon at some point...
In that case, could we add stuff like Primal Dialga considering we can never get that Dialga form as a playable character.
 
I just want to say if Rock priority gets any decent distribution, we will NEED a nerf on SR ASAP. Any pokemon 4x weak to it is dead on arrival, and those 2x weak will also be in an uncomfortable position. I dont even want to think about adding spikes in on top of that....ouch.
 
Now run the calcs for 110 atk and burnt or of Talonflame at +1 defense, bulk up is almost a necessity with the advent of z crystals.

If Talonflame gets one or the other on the switch Stonedoge is only a check.
Which is why i had said check. At 90 it is a clean 2hko on +1 bulky Talon, with 110 having a 6% chance to pick up the KO. Meanwhile Burn will make it a 2HKO in the best case scenario for both base attacks.

If i gets Adaptability or, even better, Technician, then Burning the DayWolf would be the only way to keep Talon from being OHKO'd by Rock Priority Move since it has an 80% or 100% chance to OHKO depending on the ability at 90 base attack.

So theoretically it can check Talonflame pretty good. We will need to see the stats and ability to determine how well it can.

Speaking of, for a possible name i would suggest Rock Rush for the alliteration... And only for the alliteration.
 
I just want to say if Rock priority gets any decent distribution, we will NEED a nerf on SR ASAP. Any pokemon 4x weak to it is dead on arrival, and those 2x weak will also be in an uncomfortable position. I dont even want to think about adding spikes in on top of that....ouch.
So that means SRocks, spikes, Tspikes and then Priority Rock type move I guess that means Volcarona gets an Alolan form called Volcagonner, Ability (RIP= rest in pebbles.)

Jokes aside I hope that the information we get tomorrow is about the Lugarugan types and abilities because usually CoroCoro does show it like with mymikyu but this time it didn't.
 
I am not really sure what I think about those wolves yet, but I read that you guys are expecting news to drop tomorrow. Is that right? What kind of news? Like a new video or something?
 
I am not really sure what I think about those wolves yet, but I read that you guys are expecting news to drop tomorrow. Is that right? What kind of news? Like a new video or something?
We're getting official news at 9 am EST, s usual for the past few months.

Man, I am not used to getting fed info this often. Its extremely refreshing aftter the The News Drought of 2013. Lets hope GF does this from here on out!
 
Volcarona scares the fuck out of me and most other double Rock-weak Pokémon are either annoyingly good or already suck, so Rock priority is awesome.
 
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