NOC Paranoia Mafia Game Over - Mafia Wins

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rssp1 said:
Are you telling me that if i've ever seen someone as scummy I should be voting them, regardless of them doing townie things to change my mind in the future?
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rssp1 said:
im in the process of getting the quotes
why are you completely refusing to answer that question though it seems like a simple yes, no, or "you misinterpreted what I was saying but you were close"
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Because you are not converging the argument, you are diverging it.

Instead of talking about this game, you are generalizing a concept and asking me to take a stand. The answer to that question is simple, it depends on your motive.

In this game, you are not presenting facts, dancing around arguments and diverging them. Which means you are not trying to solve the game, but doing the opposite of it.

Which shows your motivation of doing so as scum.
 
I don't like the way his thought processes are leaning but he's definitely posting a lot differently from neighborhood where he was scum and his methods do seem town aligned so that's a point in his favour. which by my own scumreads would lock aubisio as scum and leave twin as probable scum with off chance rssp instead
 
Gale Wing Srock said:
Because you are not converging the argument, you are diverging it.

Instead of talking about this game, you are generalizing a concept and asking me to take a stand. The answer to that question is simple, it depends on your motive.

In this game, you are not presenting facts, dancing around arguments and diverging them. Which means you are not trying to solve the game, but doing the opposite of it.

Which shows your motivation of doing so as scum.
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I'm generalizing the concept because you're comparing something on day 1 and day 2 to something on day 5. The posts in between day 1/2 and day 5 are what led me to think that texas is town (yes I know you want the posts, i'm getting them dw)
I agree, you should probably have facts and posts to back up your argument. That's something you don't have yet, so please start working on that (again, i'm getting you the posts where I feel texas is townie so ignore that for the moment).
Literally none of your arguments thus far have any evidence backing them, so if you could get something to do so that would be nice.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Predictable and expected response. Any discussion today is poisoned completely if I'm the ultimate lynch since it's all based around the idea that I'm scum. Therefore providing confusing and conflicting results when I flip town.

I know how that statement looks, I've seen past mafia games, I knew what you would respond, and that's still the best course of action if town intends to lynch me.
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The posts before here on this page are townie, although strange

Texas Cloverleaf said:
If you're not going to hammer you should start considering how people look right now in the event I flip town
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
First: at former what the fuck are you smoking? Just because the thought crossed my mind that walrein was framed doesn't mean it contradicts that that's not what I think happened. This is paranoia at literally every point I'm considering the what if alternatives and the possibility of someone framing walrein is very real considering the pressure on him even if it simultaneously makes him look worse

Second: aubisio, what the fuck? If I flip town (which I will) and you're town why the hell would we lynch you tomorrow for the fourth mislynch, that's basically game over. If you're scum is this a cover?

Third: I think it's bullshit to claim I put spins on things in my isos. I posted things people posted as facts, omitted posts not relevant to the game, and where I speculated it was clearly separate from identification of what was posted.

Fourth: I think after this and neighborhood it's crystal clear that my posting style isn't what you'd expect from a traditional mafia player. Isoing me is inevitably going to make me look scum if you come into it with that preconceived notion as twin did and are looking for classic 'scumtells' that don't reflect the reality of intent when posted. I really don't know how I can convince you that everything I've done has been to try and benefit town and I know that some people are tunnelled so hard there's not much point either. The reality is I'm a terrible liar irl and the irony is that even when I'm town in games like Avalon people still think I'm bad just because I like to talk and speculate a lot. Sidenote to game hosts, I'd love the chance to be maf in a near future NOC and have the chance to learn from more experienced players. This is rambly and irrelevant but it's been on my mind for a good while and probably my last chance to say it so.

Fifth: aubisio you do realize I died n1 in neighborhood right. How on earth can you compare my defenses when I wasn't even a major lynch target in that one compared to now.

Sixth: that aubisio post scares me about the lynch

Seventh: I'm once again working tonight iirc deadline is 7, I'll have the chance to check in around 6 but after 4 I'll be gone.
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Texas Cloverleaf said:
Which doesn't change that if you're town sacrificing yourself loses us the game???
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I swear I quoted another post after that one
found it

Texas Cloverleaf said:
When have I ever fucking tried to get you to change your vote. You've been tunnelled on me since day 1, there's no point to that, and at every stage I've said the exact opposite that I'm not going to bother with you. You're impossibly wrong, so literally all I'm trying to do is have you think about the alternative so you're not standing around with your thumb up your ass when i flip.
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My reasoning for thinking Texas is town mainly boils down to him defending Aubisio / pointing out possibly townie posts when there was no need to since Aubisio is a very easy lynch and him trying to create discussion on how we proceed after he flips, should he flip town (something that Dentricos also did before he died).
Granted, should we lynch Aubisio and he flips scum i'd actually have some reason to think that Texas is scum based on some of the stuff he's said today but unless that exact scenario happens I think he's town.
 
Although Gale's reasoning isn't the best and he's pushing an incorrect scumread, the way he's doing it feels town.
Which means I legitimately have no fucking idea who scum is
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
Aside from the recliner/compute chair
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Actually I type standing up.

Past few hours have been a tad hectic for me, I'm trying to finish up some work and the site I come from (which I am a moderator on) just got back online after a presumed DDoS attack so my focus hasn't been on this game.

I do think Gale is towny in his actions, even if I don't agree with his conclusions, so at least we've finally cleared up that slot.

aubisio is still my top scum but of course nothing in life can be easy so his posts have given me some reservations.

I'm never voting for Hawkie.

You seem fine. If rssp1 were to be scum (which I doubt) you'd be cleared.

twin is the slot that confuses me the most. Gonna marinate on him a bit.

rssp1 can be scum but I don't think they are nor do I want them to be.
 
rssp1 said:
The posts before here on this page are townie, although strange






I swear I quoted another post after that one
found it



My reasoning for thinking Texas is town mainly boils down to him defending Aubisio / pointing out possibly townie posts when there was no need to since Aubisio is a very easy lynch and him trying to create discussion on how we proceed after he flips, should he flip town (something that Dentricos also did before he died).
Granted, should we lynch Aubisio and he flips scum i'd actually have some reason to think that Texas is scum based on some of the stuff he's said today but unless that exact scenario happens I think he's town.
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Texas thinks aubisio is scum lol
 
I understand that but i'm talking about him defending Aubisio when he did. It would have been really easy to push an Aubisio lynch and him not doing so and even going so far as to defend Aubisio makes me think that he's town.
 
Lynch Aubisio
Maybe this will change if I can actually get a solid scumread but I am legitimately townreading everyone else left in the game so I dont know what else to do
 
Vote Count 5.1

Aubisio (3): Asek, rssp1, Texas Cloverleaf
Texas Cloverleaf (2): aubisio, thetwinmasters
Thetwinmasters (1): Hawkie
Rssp1 (1): Gale Wing Srock
Not Voting (1): Borath the Oscillator

8 alive.
 
lets not hammer this gale probably has more to say
Unlynch Aubisio
that being said im simultaneously having a bad feeling about this lynch so im gonna unvote for now
this is irritating
 
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