Serious US Election Thread (read post #2014)

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Cresselia~~ said:
Guys, which is a good website for following the election?
Like, vote counts, and so?
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you won't see anything at all (except for how many people turned out and theories based on that) until exit polls start getting reported maybe around 5 pm gmt -5, which are not all that reliable. then you won't see the first actual results until at least 7:30 PM GMT -5.

the new york times usually does a pretty good elections live blog with results and neat infographics
(this was their 2012 one: http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/live-coverage)
 
NixHex said:
I vowed a long time ago that I would vote for neither Trump nor Hillary (would have voted Republican if it were ANY candidate but Trump), and instead thought that I would vote Gary Johnson despite the fact that my social, political, and religious views do not line up with him at all. I had his name filled in on my sample ballot and everything. I saw it more as a protest vote than anything, a chance to give more recognition to the Libertarian party (hell, any 3rd party) and I thought this was our best chance in ages to do that. However, after doing research on McMullin, I have discovered that I line up with him on most issues, and much more confidently than with any of the current candidates. It just so happens that he is a write-in candidate in California, and he will be getting my vote; not as a protest, but "voting my conscience." I am sort of proud of the fact that I have not voted for the same party for president since I became eligible to vote. I voted for Obama in '08 (while being a registered Republican lol), Romney in '12, and am now aiming for a write-in that's not Mickey Mouse. I rescinded my affiliation with the GOP this year, and I actually hope it dissolves. It would be nice to throw a monkey wrench into the current political system. I'm looking forward to the crippled phoenix that will rise in the GOP's ashes.

Ah, the joys of being inept at discussing politics.
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It was either in this thread or another that I expressed voting third party or otherwise as a waste of a vote. I no longer believe that to be true, though. We should let people vote for whoever they want for whatever reasons they want. It's sad that while we are dealing with two candidates many people seem to hate, we discourage others from voting how they want and instead stress that they should "vote for the lesser of two evils." I believe that defeats the entire purpose of our right to vote and in fact discourages people from voting whatsoever.

Personally, I would probably have voted for McMullin if I were a registered Republican and heavily disliked Trump. I don't believe we have an alternative on the left, though. Despite my personal dislike of the Clinton's in general, Hillary got my vote. I really would have loved to see a Bernie presidency even if his policies did not pass Congress. I really disliked, and continue to do, this emphasis on "free college" from both Hillary and Bernie, though. Even in a Democratic controlled Senate and House, I cannot see these policies coming to fruition. That was always my main gripe with other Bernie supporters who solely supported him for that reason. Hopefully Hillary will prove me wrong, but I really don't see it happening.
 
Voted early this morning in Michigan. Voted all blue, as did my family, as did the group of college students in front of us, as did the talkative but kind woman did behind us. Everyone there was pretty civil, regardless of who was supporting whom. Hope that's the case for everyone else today, no drama.
 
No. There are some states that have laws against taking pictures of your ballot. These are so that you can never have 100% proof of how someone voted, which makes it a lot harder for people to buy and sell votes or require voting a certain way for membership in a club/union/etc.

Arguably these laws however violate freedom of speech.

But in terms of you just saying "I voted for X" that's totally fine 100% of the time.
 
Very happily voted Hillary this morning; she may not have been my first pick but I've warmed up to her a lot over the course of this election, and I think she was by far the strongest candidate on the top of the ballot.

For local elections I mostly voted a mix of green and blue. Baltimore's actually got a pretty active Green Party with some decent candidates (as well as some nutty-ass candidates, hence not going straight Green for the downballot).
 
I obviously haven't voted today, since I'm not American. But since I've posted in this thread sometimes, I thought I should stop by to wish you all well. Whatever happens today, I hope your country can move forward in a productive and healthy way. We're rooting for you up here.
 
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I mean how its supposed to work is that voting doesn't take that long and the lines aren't 3 hours long, but by limiting early voting and reducing the number of polling stations in urban areas with large minority populations to suppress voter turn out Republicans are trying to make voting harder for demographics that typically don't vote their way. Nevada isn't the only place that has this issue.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/loc...cle_f822565a-a6ae-5a32-9a8c-ec54cdbf4ba7.html

aside from the denying an extra early voting place because it would "lean democrat", the article also mentions several other voter limitations attempted to make voting for college students more difficult in Wisconsin that were overturned by the court.

Republicans cutting back hours for early voting in North Carolina, specifically targeting areas that tend to vote democrat. The voting right act was gutted in 2013 by the supreme court (required certain areas to get changes to voting laws approved by the federal governments) because the locations were based on data from 40 years ago. Congress is supposed to enact new coverage areas for the voting right act, but of course the Republican controlled house doesn't benefit from voting on this, so no such coverage has been enacted.

The funny part is that Donald Trump isn't necessarily wrong when saying the election is "rigged". But it isn't rigged by "dead people voting" or "people voting illegally", its "rigged" by politicians that benefit from making it hard for college students and minorities to vote, making it hard for college students and minorities to vote.
 
This isn't really politics related, but I want to ask y'all US folks to stay home tonight and to be extremely careful for the rest of the week. This election has been one of the most vitriolic elections in US history, and regardless of who wins, there will most likely be riots. Be especially careful in more populated states such as New York and Texas.
 
Key findings from early exit polls (note exit polls have historically missed reasonably often... do not rely on these findings too much):

voters feel better about the national economy (only 62% say it is some degree of bad) than they did in either 2008 (93%) or 2012 (76%), which is generally good for the incumbent party

voters also feel somewhat better about their own family's finances compared to 4 years ago (+3) than they did in 2012 (-8), which is also generally good for the incumbent party

also finding 37% democrats, 32% republicans, 31% independents (2012 was 38, 32, 29, so little change, though it is in favor of republicans - but not enough to overcome 2012's margin without Trump doing significantly better among independents than Romney did, especially if Trump underperforms with registered Republicans)

finding Obama with 54% approval on election day, ie if people view Hillary as more Obama, she's got a pretty high ceiling

and finally, as evidence to Trump potentially underperforming Romney... exit polls have white college educated men as only +11 for Trump. Past 4 elections they have been +23, +20, +14, and +21 for the GOP
 
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