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Pokemon: The New First Gen (Submissions for new Pokemon Over, Except costumes)
- Thread starter Jerrytkrot
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No. Do not argue against facts,
alright, I'll change it to Ice/Flying and rename Rock Head
We already have Abyss Theting which is essentially the same a single Fish Fang. And as the someone said, Golden Rush is already Aurulong's signature move
Edit - Also, Air Ballon Rotom Fan also has an use now, since it is the only Pokemon that is immune to Earth Uppercut on Rocky terrain :P
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I think all pseudos are in the dex now, except Dragonite, so...
Dragonight
Type: Flying/Dark
Evolves From: Use the HDNAA (Hidden DNA Activator) on Dragonair that is lvl 45 or higher with a happiness under 106.
Ability: Cloud Nine (Multiscale)
Stats: 110/80/95/91/110/114 (600)
Flavor:
New Moves: Hurricane, Roost, Wing Attack, Heat Wave, Aerial Ace, Fly, Fling, Roar, Rock Slide, Sky Drop, Steel Wing, Knock Off, Foul Play, Taunt, Beat Up, Flatter, Feint Attack, Payback
Competitive Use: Mixed wall and utility Pokemon for balanced teams. Feels like we're missing some defensive Dark types.
THERE, now I'm finally finished with every Pokémon submission I wanted to make. Move submissions however...
Some new moves:
Rustle Rust
Type: Steel (-)
Power: -
Accuracy: -
Effect: Changes the target's ability to Weak Armor.
Z-Effect: Increases user Speed by 1.
Pokémon who get it: Dialga, Jirachi, Registeel, Heatran, Mawile, Aron line, Shieldon line, Bronzor line, Nosepass line, Onix line, Claydol line, Relicanth, all Fossil Pokémon, Scergafectus, Spirox-Ancient.
Brain Damage
Type: Psychic (-)
Power: -
Accuracy: -
Effect: Does damage equal to target's Special Atk stat. Lowers target's Sp Atk by 1.
Z-Effect: Increases user Special Defense by 1.
Pokémon who get it: ???
Brick Break (changes in italics)
Type: Fighting (Phys)
Power: 90 (75+5)
Accuracy: - (Now always hits)
Effect: Removes Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil and similar. x1.5 power when it removes those moves.
Pokémon who get it: Same ones as before+Pokémon with Brute Force.
Floor Crack
Type: Ground (Phys)
Power: 90
Accuracy: -
Effect: Removes Trick Room, Magic Room, Wonder Room and similar. x1.5 power when it removes those moves.
Pokémon who get it: Same as Bulldoze+Pokémon with Burrow.
Hypergravity Crash
Type: Steel (Phys)
Power: 90
Accuracy: -
Effect: Sets up Gravity.
Pokémon who get it: Deoxys, Jirachi, Mew, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Beheeyem, Duskull line, Ferroseed line, Lunatone, Solrock, Minior, Mendelevia, Newtearth, Jupiteagle, Crystibi line (Metagross never)
Dragonight
Type: Flying/Dark
Evolves From: Use the HDNAA (Hidden DNA Activator) on Dragonair that is lvl 45 or higher with a happiness under 106.
Ability: Cloud Nine (Multiscale)
Stats: 110/80/95/91/110/114 (600)
Flavor:
New Moves: Hurricane, Roost, Wing Attack, Heat Wave, Aerial Ace, Fly, Fling, Roar, Rock Slide, Sky Drop, Steel Wing, Knock Off, Foul Play, Taunt, Beat Up, Flatter, Feint Attack, Payback
Competitive Use: Mixed wall and utility Pokemon for balanced teams. Feels like we're missing some defensive Dark types.
THERE, now I'm finally finished with every Pokémon submission I wanted to make. Move submissions however...
Some new moves:
Rustle Rust
Type: Steel (-)
Power: -
Accuracy: -
Effect: Changes the target's ability to Weak Armor.
Z-Effect: Increases user Speed by 1.
Pokémon who get it: Dialga, Jirachi, Registeel, Heatran, Mawile, Aron line, Shieldon line, Bronzor line, Nosepass line, Onix line, Claydol line, Relicanth, all Fossil Pokémon, Scergafectus, Spirox-Ancient.
Brain Damage
Type: Psychic (-)
Power: -
Accuracy: -
Effect: Does damage equal to target's Special Atk stat. Lowers target's Sp Atk by 1.
Z-Effect: Increases user Special Defense by 1.
Pokémon who get it: ???
Brick Break (changes in italics)
Type: Fighting (Phys)
Power: 90 (75+5)
Accuracy: - (Now always hits)
Effect: Removes Reflect, Light Screen, Aurora Veil and similar. x1.5 power when it removes those moves.
Pokémon who get it: Same ones as before+Pokémon with Brute Force.
Floor Crack
Type: Ground (Phys)
Power: 90
Accuracy: -
Effect: Removes Trick Room, Magic Room, Wonder Room and similar. x1.5 power when it removes those moves.
Pokémon who get it: Same as Bulldoze+Pokémon with Burrow.
Hypergravity Crash
Type: Steel (Phys)
Power: 90
Accuracy: -
Effect: Sets up Gravity.
Pokémon who get it: Deoxys, Jirachi, Mew, Clefable, Wigglytuff, Beheeyem, Duskull line, Ferroseed line, Lunatone, Solrock, Minior, Mendelevia, Newtearth, Jupiteagle, Crystibi line (
Looking through the thread to see what wasn't added in the doc (*cough a lot of stuff cough*), I felt the obligation to mention that Aurora Veil and Aurora Beam should both be Light-based moves. And what are you going to do about Draconic Light?
Draconic Light is an ability? What more is there to do with it anyway?
Oh I only replied to the "light-based moves" part, but he listed them because of an ability that reflects that type of move.
You know how there's abilities that change moves into something else? Long Reach makes all moves not do contact, and we have Brute Force and Specialize that change physical/special categories. Maybe Draconic Light could turn Dragon type moves into light-based moves? And then his ability would reflect it. Just a suggestion.
Yeah, Aurora Beam and Aurora Veil should definitely de light-based moves. Also, if you guys want help with filling the sheet I can help
Wouldn't that just be a nerf to dragon type moves? Light based moves don't gain a bonus from any ability (And even if they did, you couldn't use it), and it can be reflected back by the ability, making it a massive nerf to the ability.
Yes it would be a nerf in the same way that Minimize doubles the power of Stomp, Steamroller, Body Slam, etc and makes them never miss when the foe uses it against you. It's so incredibly situational that it's more of a consistency thing that makes sense to be added than a "massive nerf". What's the chance of battling against someone with a Harmonian Gigalith in this metagame with over 200 new Pokémon? And why would you use a Dragon type attack on a Rock/Fairy type intentionally? At best the player with Harmo Gigalith could predict the move and switch in safely, dealing damage to Draconic Light users. Nothing massive.
Oh and they do gain a bonus from exploudit's ability but you're right that they wouldn't be able to use it.
So let's talk about Terrains. We have 3 Pokémon with Toxic Surge, 2 Pokémon with Rocky Surge, 1 with Psychic Surge.
1. Where are the other terrain setters??? Grassy, Misty and Electric Terrains are missing.
2. Shouldn't Kabutops-Majora (the Psychic Terrain setter) be a Costume Pokémon? It was made before introducing costumes but it sounds a lot like one.
3. Isn't 3 Pokémon with Toxic Surge a little too much? exploudit did mention removing it in favor of making Harmo-Stunfisk more unique a while back and I agree with that.
4. OP said he didn't like making new Tapus because they're an Alola thing. And there are already terrain setters for their terrains. So will they be even added?
EDIT: Shouldn't Blinding Light/Blinding Sight/Blinding Night ALSO be reflected by Harmonian Gigalith's ability???
1. Where are the other terrain setters??? Grassy, Misty and Electric Terrains are missing.
2. Shouldn't Kabutops-Majora (the Psychic Terrain setter) be a Costume Pokémon? It was made before introducing costumes but it sounds a lot like one.
3. Isn't 3 Pokémon with Toxic Surge a little too much? exploudit did mention removing it in favor of making Harmo-Stunfisk more unique a while back and I agree with that.
4. OP said he didn't like making new Tapus because they're an Alola thing. And there are already terrain setters for their terrains. So will they be even added?
EDIT: Shouldn't Blinding Light/Blinding Sight/Blinding Night ALSO be reflected by Harmonian Gigalith's ability???
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1 - Ye we should have more of those :P
2 - That'd be better as a costume for me too
3 - I'm fine with changing Mollisk, but considering that we have already lots of weather setters, 3 terrain setters aren't even all that much
4 - No the Tapus won't be added but Jerry is right tho, that's an Alola thing
5 - I agree with you too, Blinding Light/Sight/Night should drop the user's defense if an opponent has Prism Reflection
Jerrytkrot Flamingairy is pretty underwhelming, would you mind if it got Misty Surge instead of, say, Cute Charm?
I tried to find similar underwhelming Pokemon for Grassy/Electric Terrain and found nothing. Most Grass types already have abilities that are useable. I also tried to find Grass types Costumes Items and found nothing, so I'll be making some more new Pokémon submissions...
exploudit Seed Flare should probably be a light-based move as well. :] Oh and sorry for stealing your Tsareenas' signature moves lol
Tutti-Frutti Vanilluxe
Item Name: Mixed Biomass
Holder: Vanilluxe
Result: Tutti-Frutti Vanilluxe
Abilities: Sweet Veil/Grassy Surge (Mold Breaker)
New Type: Grass/Ice
New Moves: Sweet Strike*, Sour Strike, Spicy Strike, Milk Drink, Power Gem
New Stats:
HP: 71
Atk: 79 (swap with speed - 20)
Def: 85
SpA: 130 (+20)
SpD: 95
Spe: 115 (swap with attack + 20)
BST: 555 (+20)
Competitive Analysis: It's not the destructive wallbreaker that is Tapu Bulu but this costumed Vanilluxe has its uses as a Grassy Terrain setter. Hopefully Grassy Terrain heal + Milk Drink + boosted Giga Drain will make up for the fact that it has a terrible, terrible defensive typing. Hopefully 115 Spe and varied Grass STAB options boosted by Grassy Terrain + Ice STAB + Rock coverage can make it a decent special attacker. I hope this is a good Pokémon...
Sweet Strike*
Grass
Special
BP: 90
PP: 10
ACC: 100
40% chance to Encore
Other Pokémon who learn it: Swirlix line, Bounsweet line, Cutiefly line, Combee line
Gracidea Emolga
Item Name: Mixed Biomass
Holder: Emolga
Result: Gracidea Emolga
Abilities: Unaware/Serene Grace (Electric Surge)
New Type: Electric/Grass
New Moves: Seed Flare, Aromatherapy, Leech Seed, Healing Wish, Spiky Shield
New Stats:
HP: 85 (+30)
Atk: 25 (-50)
Def: 75 (+15)
SpA: 75
SpD: 75 (+15)
Spe: 113 (+10)
BST: 425 (+20)
Competitive Analysis: Well, Emolga has some really underwhelming stats, but with Shaymin's blessing and some minmaxing, it's okay as an Electric Terrain setter. Serene Grace Seed Flare helps it lower the foe's SpD consistently, and with natural access to Volt Switch, it can create momentum for the team's more capable special attackers. Or you can try Air Slash flinch spam + Thunder Wave. However, it clearly works best as a support Pokémon. Aromatherapy, Leech Seed and Healing Wish are all great support moves, plus Spiky Shield and natural access to Roost, Taunt, Thunder Wave and Encore can make it a VERY versatile support.
I tried to find similar underwhelming Pokemon for Grassy/Electric Terrain and found nothing. Most Grass types already have abilities that are useable. I also tried to find Grass types Costumes Items and found nothing, so I'll be making some more new Pokémon submissions...
exploudit Seed Flare should probably be a light-based move as well. :] Oh and sorry for stealing your Tsareenas' signature moves lol
Tutti-Frutti Vanilluxe
Item Name: Mixed Biomass
Holder: Vanilluxe
Result: Tutti-Frutti Vanilluxe
Abilities: Sweet Veil/Grassy Surge (Mold Breaker)
New Type: Grass/Ice
New Moves: Sweet Strike*, Sour Strike, Spicy Strike, Milk Drink, Power Gem
New Stats:
HP: 71
Atk: 79 (swap with speed - 20)
Def: 85
SpA: 130 (+20)
SpD: 95
Spe: 115 (swap with attack + 20)
BST: 555 (+20)
Competitive Analysis: It's not the destructive wallbreaker that is Tapu Bulu but this costumed Vanilluxe has its uses as a Grassy Terrain setter. Hopefully Grassy Terrain heal + Milk Drink + boosted Giga Drain will make up for the fact that it has a terrible, terrible defensive typing. Hopefully 115 Spe and varied Grass STAB options boosted by Grassy Terrain + Ice STAB + Rock coverage can make it a decent special attacker. I hope this is a good Pokémon...
Sweet Strike*
Grass
Special
BP: 90
PP: 10
ACC: 100
40% chance to Encore
Other Pokémon who learn it: Swirlix line, Bounsweet line, Cutiefly line, Combee line
Gracidea Emolga
Item Name: Mixed Biomass
Holder: Emolga
Result: Gracidea Emolga
Abilities: Unaware/Serene Grace (Electric Surge)
New Type: Electric/Grass
New Moves: Seed Flare, Aromatherapy, Leech Seed, Healing Wish, Spiky Shield
New Stats:
HP: 85 (+30)
Atk: 25 (-50)
Def: 75 (+15)
SpA: 75
SpD: 75 (+15)
Spe: 113 (+10)
BST: 425 (+20)
Competitive Analysis: Well, Emolga has some really underwhelming stats, but with Shaymin's blessing and some minmaxing, it's okay as an Electric Terrain setter. Serene Grace Seed Flare helps it lower the foe's SpD consistently, and with natural access to Volt Switch, it can create momentum for the team's more capable special attackers. Or you can try Air Slash flinch spam + Thunder Wave. However, it clearly works best as a support Pokémon. Aromatherapy, Leech Seed and Healing Wish are all great support moves, plus Spiky Shield and natural access to Roost, Taunt, Thunder Wave and Encore can make it a VERY versatile support.
Yeah, Seed Fkare should be light based too. And don't worry abou Tsareena's signature
Actually Seed Flare is described by the game as a shock wave, not a blast of light.
tbh why would draconic light even make dragon moves light-based, that makes literally no sense, it's like you're just looking at the names and saying we gotta do something
Also, my Harmodex submissions STILL aren't in despite promises to the contrary.
...why does Harmo Talonflame lose gale wings WHY DOES HARMO TALONFLAME LOSE GALE WINGS WHY DOES HARMO TALONFLAME LOSE GALE WINGS
Also, my Harmodex submissions STILL aren't in despite promises to the contrary.
...why does Harmo Talonflame lose gale wings WHY DOES HARMO TALONFLAME LOSE GALE WINGS WHY DOES HARMO TALONFLAME LOSE GALE WINGS
Why does a fossil lose it's rock typing? My Aerodactyl was SUPPOSED to be a fossil mon
Which you never told anyone and just made everyone guess and dump their head in a blender?
1 - Gale Wings is nerfed if you didn't know
2 - For a mon quad weak to rocks, being immune to rocks is way better than having priority at full HP
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Eh, true. My bad
Even mere Hermernien Fermes:
Hermernien PremepeHarmonian Primeape
1A - Tough Skulled (Renamed Rock Head)
2A - Chained Escape (When this pokemon drops below 1/3 health, speed is doubled)
HA - Intimidate
Stats:
HP - 80 (+15)
Atk - 105
Def - 100 (+40)
SpA - 30 (-30)
SpD - 100 (+30)
Spe - 40 (-55)
BST - 455
In Harmo, Primeape haven't just gotten angry, They are absolutely fuming! They lash out at anything possible, and as a result, have to be chained down. This severely limits their speed, but now allows them to block hits better. When they get in a spot of trouble, they physically overheat with adrenaline and melt the chains surrounding them. Just try an stay safe from them after that.
Harmonian Litwik
1A - Absolute Zero (Moves that make contact have a 20% chance to freeze)
2A - Infiltrator
HA - Dazzling Light (Accuracy of moves against this pokemon are 0.8x)
Stats:
HP - 40 (-10)
Atk - 30
Def - 45 (-10)
SpA - 65
SpD - 45 (-10)
Spe - 50 (+30)
BST - 275
Harmonian Lampent
1A - Absolute Zero (Moves that make contact have a 20% chance to freeze)
2A - Infiltrator
HA - Dazzling Light (Accuracy of moves against this pokemon are 0.8x)
Stats:
HP - 50 (-10)
Atk - 30 (-10)
Def - 50 (-10)
SpA - 95
SpD - 50 (-10)
Spe - 95 (+40)
BST - 370
Harmonian Chandelure
1A - Absolute Zero (Moves that make contact have a 20% chance to freeze)
2A - Infiltrator
HA - Dazzling Light (Accuracy of moves against this pokemon are 0.8x)
Stats:
HP - 45 (-15)
Atk - 50 (-5)
Def - 75 (-15)
SpA - 155 (+10)
SpD - 75 (-15)
Spe - 120 (+40)
BST - 520
Notable Moves - Ice Beam, Blizzard, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Shadow Ball, Hail, Electric Terrain, Freeze Dry.
In Harmo, Chandelure have taken a different approach. In "Name" Town (the Cold town), rich people started using Ice Chandeliers, because it wouldn't melt. Chandelure decided to try to change to this style to still be able to blend in.
Just realised we have two abilities called Absolute Zero, I'll be renaming Haileta's since the name fits more with Chandelure's line imao
EDIT - renamed Haileta's ability, it is now called Boreal Boost:
Raging Winds makes Gale Wings take on its old effect, so it makes it way more interesting. Besides, you could make Magic Guard a standard ability over Ice Body.
Much better, now we have a gale wings user! well, once that's in the sheet, anyway
Because it DOES make sense when compared to other abilities and how moves work in the Pokémon world. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Pokémon with Draconic Light don't have powerful Dragon type moves without, quite literally, using light that has imbued dragon power. And it's not just the name, Aurorus is obviously known for aurora light (I imagine Harmo Aurorus is no different since it has part-Electric type and Electric is related with light as well) and Foundrag has a body made of glowing lava, so it's not like those Pokémon don't have a strong light theme already.
Now let's see how Gamefreak implemented Liquid Voice. It turns sound moves into Water-type attacks, the opposite of what Draconic Light would do, but they work in similar ways thematically. Primarina doesn't literally vomit water in the form of soundwaves, just like how a Pokémon with Draconic Light doesn't have literal claws made of light to use Dragon Claw. Primarina uses its voice to control water, and the water~sound connection thematically creates the ability. Now, I'm not the one to come up with Draconic Light, but everything points to those Pokémon using, uhhhh, light to control dragon powers as I said before. Which would be reflected, no question about it. Even if they're not directly shooting dragon laser beams or something, well, neither is Primarina breathing water and spitting while singing. Just look at Sparking Aria's animation, and it's not even a move changed by Liquid Voice.
But as I said, there's only one Pokémon with an ability that reflects light-based moves and it's already immune to Dragon type attacks, light-based or not. It doesn't matter competitively to either HarmoGigalith or HarmoAurorus/Foundrag, it's more of a well-thought out detail that Gamefreak would love to add. The only thing that would change by implementing what I suggested is making it harder for people who'll code this. And since you already suggested buffing Draconic Light by adding Raging Winds immunity (for some reason), I don't think that you care about how hard it is to code the ability in the first place...
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