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until I see a better explanation, vote MoodyCloud
blazade isn't bullshitting on role
Vote Moodycould
I don't see how we don't vote for either Moodycloud today. Him surviving both days is a fucking joke because of the out of fucking nowhere votes to save him. There is no fucking way that he isn't some sort of mafia power role. It fucking fits with everything.
If Texas and Moody are scum, it would make sense that Texas would want to be cleared as town with a fake public inspect because he was in on Moody surviving. It might have given him the balls to try and save moody on a last ditch Day 2 Lynch, because he thought he and his scum buddies wanted to throw Lightwolf's name under the bus as a scum to take the heat off of what he did.
The snag is that IF lightwolf was omniguard, and there is a lot more fucking evidence to think that he was than wasn't, that massively fucks up the plan and puts Texas in a desperation mode to full claim.
This shit all fits into place to me and is pretty fucking neat. And moody fucking saying that he didn't and then did target Texas is fucking nuts. Maybe Moody is the fucking persuader and used his role on Texas to give Texas more town cred? And he tried to fucking cover that up and realized it was a bad move to lie about targeting him and made up that it somehow failed. THE BIG HOLE IN THIS STORY IS HOW DID THE FUCKING PERSUADE HIT TEXAS WHEN MOODYCLOUD'S HIT DIDN'T?
Both of their stories aren't fucking adding up at all, and Moody has been protected twice from death by Texas and his shit doesn't add up at all. A moody scum flip would give us a clear shot at Texas the next day and would give us fucking answers about the damned "public inspect" that's being put into question.
As for an all claim, I feel that we need to hold off with that until AFTER a Moody lynch. The reason is that if moody flips scum and I'd bet my ass he does, then Texas is going down with him. Public claiming NOW when I feel we have a sight on two strong lynches is pretty ridiculous and gives a lot of power to the scum. But I guess at this point, scum has a lot of fucking targets they would want to hit anyways.
I don't see how we don't vote for either Moodycloud today. Him surviving both days is a fucking joke because of the out of fucking nowhere votes to save him. There is no fucking way that he isn't some sort of mafia power role. It fucking fits with everything.
If Texas and Moody are scum, it would make sense that Texas would want to be cleared as town with a fake public inspect because he was in on Moody surviving. It might have given him the balls to try and save moody on a last ditch Day 2 Lynch, because he thought he and his scum buddies wanted to throw Lightwolf's name under the bus as a scum to take the heat off of what he did.
The snag is that IF lightwolf was omniguard, and there is a lot more fucking evidence to think that he was than wasn't, that massively fucks up the plan and puts Texas in a desperation mode to full claim.
This shit all fits into place to me and is pretty fucking neat. And moody fucking saying that he didn't and then did target Texas is fucking nuts. Maybe Moody is the fucking persuader and used his role on Texas to give Texas more town cred? And he tried to fucking cover that up and realized it was a bad move to lie about targeting him and made up that it somehow failed. THE BIG HOLE IN THIS STORY IS HOW DID THE FUCKING PERSUADE HIT TEXAS WHEN MOODYCLOUD'S HIT DIDN'T?
Both of their stories aren't fucking adding up at all, and Moody has been protected twice from death by Texas and his shit doesn't add up at all. A moody scum flip would give us a clear shot at Texas the next day and would give us fucking answers about the damned "public inspect" that's being put into question.
As for an all claim, I feel that we need to hold off with that until AFTER a Moody lynch. The reason is that if moody flips scum and I'd bet my ass he does, then Texas is going down with him. Public claiming NOW when I feel we have a sight on two strong lynches is pretty ridiculous and gives a lot of power to the scum. But I guess at this point, scum has a lot of fucking targets they would want to hit anyways.
Unvote, Vote Moodycloud
Not that it probably matters but fucking spelling in the above post.
Not that it probably matters but fucking spelling in the above post.
I am ABSOLUTELY okay with a Texas lynch too, because that gives us quicker info on the damned "public inspect" than it does the long way of lynching Moody. But if they're both scum, there was a fucking reason that Texas would stick his neck out for Moody the last round and I don't think I want Moody alive if that's all true.
Give me a single scum motivation behind me being blatantly obvious in pushing lynches away from him
tbh I disagree on not massclaiming since if scum wants us dead they already have a claimed tracker and omniguard
I definitely want claims from KnightsofCydonia and whoever else I said was in my group
I definitely want claims from KnightsofCydonia and whoever else I said was in my group
I don't know what fucking Moodycloud's role is, but I'm assuming it would be detrimental to you if he dies. Maybe he is the "town inspect" and his death would put you out to dry. Maybe he is your overpowered scum buddy. I don't fucking know, but I want to find out.
You tell me how you can be persuaded and how Moodycloud's action can "fail" after he didn't target you. You tell my why you were pushing last fucking second to stop a lynch on him two days in a row and onto a just as weak of a lynch that ended up being town TWICE. You tell me how you get public inspected as town, and then how Lightwolf get public inspected as scum even though he was fucking omniguarded twice. Tell me how this all makes sense and how he shouldn't be lynched right now.
If I'm confirmed to have claimed omniguard d1 (before any nightactions happened), that's no small boon towards my claim.
Especially since I've been openly townreading LW this whole time, coupled with my d2 claim to have targeted LW n1.
Clarification Questions:
What is Blazade trying to say about deflecting Texas’s JOAT claim? That it’s real or not real? He could also be a scum JOAT, but let’s put that idea aside since (from town POV) I could be a scum omniguard and etc etc.
What is acidphoenix talking about in that blazade is not bullshitting about roles? Uh does acid just agree with blazade or something?
Hey uh butteredtoast I don't mind cussing to emphasize a point but wildly dropping f-bombs is just extra words I gotta read ;P
I appreciate the effort but if Moody and I were scumbuddies he would be dead and I would be on his wagon
Go back and look through his posts like you did mine and just think about why he would say them. I think it's entirely possible it's scum and I think it's far more likely he's a mislynch being pushed by scum.
Speaking of which vote lightwolf the pubinspected scum claiming to be night immune
Speaking of which vote lightwolf the pubinspected scum claiming to be night immune
MoodyCloud answer the following questions, as clearly and as concisely as possible:
-Did you target Texas Cloverleaf with your action last night?
-Did your action succeed?
If the answer to the above questions are "yes" and "no", respectively, then I have a followup question:
-Did your result state WHY your action did not succeed?
I would also like to know if other players whose actions have failed were given any sort of flavor in this failure result, or if they were simply told that they failed.
-Did you target Texas Cloverleaf with your action last night?
-Did your action succeed?
If the answer to the above questions are "yes" and "no", respectively, then I have a followup question:
-Did your result state WHY your action did not succeed?
I would also like to know if other players whose actions have failed were given any sort of flavor in this failure result, or if they were simply told that they failed.
Also ButteredToast I appreciate the intensity but it's actually really hard to follow your logic when I'm having to skip around all the "fucking"s so maybe go a little lighter on those next time?
My two failed actions were told simply that they failed. Host cncnd if I acted successfully or was prevented from acting.
You really think a high profile target like Moody might not be the subject of a town Hook (not asking town hooker to claim unless we all agree to do it)
I would really prefer not to waste this day only talking about Moody because he survived (in my opinion rightly) only to mislynch the guy and get nowhere. We have a good opportunity to sort through a lot of idlers and use the evidence from the conflict to move forward here.
I'm not perfect, I've been wrong about my convictions before, but I have a pretty strong feeling that Moody is town here. The way he acted when he was lying to me during Tarantino felt much more artifical than this. He even had fucking von's help. Here I see play dominated by the same gut impulses that drive him in every other town NOC I've seen him in. He'd have to be damn good to play like this as scum and everything I know about votes supports this theory. Almost every single vote (if not every one) on moody was built on fakey detached artificial bullshit. It was lazy then, it's lazy now, and Lightwolf likely being scum only makes it worse.
I would really prefer not to waste this day only talking about Moody because he survived (in my opinion rightly) only to mislynch the guy and get nowhere. We have a good opportunity to sort through a lot of idlers and use the evidence from the conflict to move forward here.
I'm not perfect, I've been wrong about my convictions before, but I have a pretty strong feeling that Moody is town here. The way he acted when he was lying to me during Tarantino felt much more artifical than this. He even had fucking von's help. Here I see play dominated by the same gut impulses that drive him in every other town NOC I've seen him in. He'd have to be damn good to play like this as scum and everything I know about votes supports this theory. Almost every single vote (if not every one) on moody was built on fakey detached artificial bullshit. It was lazy then, it's lazy now, and Lightwolf likely being scum only makes it worse.
Hear hear
The school teacher in me saves all my swearing to be used in situations like this. Here is the logic of my vote and thoughts.
Moodycloud was saved twice from a lynch that Texas was a part in.
Both lynch target switches happened in the 11th hour allowing for no discussion on the target. Both Cancerous and Shubaka were not really discussed as options nor did it give them any real time to make a case to defend themselves. Having last second lynches is a pretty crappy thing to have happen for a village and both were mislynches. Sure it was in retrospect, but it doesn't help those who flopped for very lackadaisical reasoning.
I don't buy the omniguard claim not being an omniguard it seemed to be pretty well backed as of day 2. This means I'm not buying the fact that Lightwolf was public inspected as being scum.
The idea that the the public inspect is false opens up the door to Texas being questioned for being mentioned in it Day 1 as town.
I think that Texas being persuaded to vote for someone might give him more town cred following the end of day 2 when he definitely is going to get hit hard for being on a last second mislynch.
There is a very real scenario where scum knows they're pretty boned, and are trying to get a mislynch on day 3 with lightwolf before their plan comes crashing down. They try to make Texas seem more innocent Day 3 by making him be persuaded, giving a lynch target to take heat off of Texas/Moody in lightwolf.
The Moody "I didn't target Texas" "Oh, wait I remember, I targeted him and it failed" seems like a pretty regretful cover up. The night was 24 hours long. It isn't hard to remember who you targeted. It is pretty likely to me that he slipped when that he didn't target Texas and tried to cover up his story.
It's a pretty bad story too, because Moody saying that his action failed and Texas saying that he was persuaded doesn't really jive. Sure, Moody could have been hooked but it feels much more likely that one or both of them are lying. It actually increases the odds that they're lying because I now have to believe that Moody really did forget his target, that Moody was hooked, and that Texas was persuaded... and I have doubts about any of those things stand alone
You also have to like Texas saying that when an action fails, the host says nothing about why it failed BEFORE Moody answers. It would be way more telling for Moody to have answered, and then the people who claimed to have targeted LightWolf and failed N1 to respond.
At the very least, even if Texas is town, he was targeted by a persuader and Moody was caught targeting him. On top of everything else, we know that Moody targeted Texas and that's suspicious on it's own.
A moody lynch would reveal a lot. Lightwolf was a big moody lynch pusher, and if moody is scum then it casts doubt on the lightwolf public inspect. If moody is scum, then it really puts Texas in a hole. If Texas also flips scum, then we know the public inspect is a lie and that solves two mysteries. If Moody is village, then it justifies Texas' play and Lightwolf is a VERY serious lynch target the next night.
Just the fact that Moody was saved from lynch last minute two nights in a row in favor of a mislynch, seemingly changed his story about being watched in an exchange with a prospective watcher, and with his admitted night target claiming to be persuaded... I really don't see how he isn't suspect number one.
Lightwolf would be a good target until you complicate things that a probable Omniguard is saying he targeted him. And if Moody flips scum it gives more evidence to Texas, and if Texas flips scum it clears Lightwolf. If Moody somehow flips town, then we have got Lightwolf and the probable Omniguard in a lie... as it is pretty weird that the Omniguard would target Lightwolf two nights in a row and if Lightwolf is immune from night actions, it's a pretty good cover. Either way, it's probable that by lynching Moody we find a pair of scums. And I don't see how we lynch anyone else.
Moodycloud was saved twice from a lynch that Texas was a part in.
Both lynch target switches happened in the 11th hour allowing for no discussion on the target. Both Cancerous and Shubaka were not really discussed as options nor did it give them any real time to make a case to defend themselves. Having last second lynches is a pretty crappy thing to have happen for a village and both were mislynches. Sure it was in retrospect, but it doesn't help those who flopped for very lackadaisical reasoning.
I don't buy the omniguard claim not being an omniguard it seemed to be pretty well backed as of day 2. This means I'm not buying the fact that Lightwolf was public inspected as being scum.
The idea that the the public inspect is false opens up the door to Texas being questioned for being mentioned in it Day 1 as town.
I think that Texas being persuaded to vote for someone might give him more town cred following the end of day 2 when he definitely is going to get hit hard for being on a last second mislynch.
There is a very real scenario where scum knows they're pretty boned, and are trying to get a mislynch on day 3 with lightwolf before their plan comes crashing down. They try to make Texas seem more innocent Day 3 by making him be persuaded, giving a lynch target to take heat off of Texas/Moody in lightwolf.
The Moody "I didn't target Texas" "Oh, wait I remember, I targeted him and it failed" seems like a pretty regretful cover up. The night was 24 hours long. It isn't hard to remember who you targeted. It is pretty likely to me that he slipped when that he didn't target Texas and tried to cover up his story.
It's a pretty bad story too, because Moody saying that his action failed and Texas saying that he was persuaded doesn't really jive. Sure, Moody could have been hooked but it feels much more likely that one or both of them are lying. It actually increases the odds that they're lying because I now have to believe that Moody really did forget his target, that Moody was hooked, and that Texas was persuaded... and I have doubts about any of those things stand alone
You also have to like Texas saying that when an action fails, the host says nothing about why it failed BEFORE Moody answers. It would be way more telling for Moody to have answered, and then the people who claimed to have targeted LightWolf and failed N1 to respond.
At the very least, even if Texas is town, he was targeted by a persuader and Moody was caught targeting him. On top of everything else, we know that Moody targeted Texas and that's suspicious on it's own.
A moody lynch would reveal a lot. Lightwolf was a big moody lynch pusher, and if moody is scum then it casts doubt on the lightwolf public inspect. If moody is scum, then it really puts Texas in a hole. If Texas also flips scum, then we know the public inspect is a lie and that solves two mysteries. If Moody is village, then it justifies Texas' play and Lightwolf is a VERY serious lynch target the next night.
Just the fact that Moody was saved from lynch last minute two nights in a row in favor of a mislynch, seemingly changed his story about being watched in an exchange with a prospective watcher, and with his admitted night target claiming to be persuaded... I really don't see how he isn't suspect number one.
Lightwolf would be a good target until you complicate things that a probable Omniguard is saying he targeted him. And if Moody flips scum it gives more evidence to Texas, and if Texas flips scum it clears Lightwolf. If Moody somehow flips town, then we have got Lightwolf and the probable Omniguard in a lie... as it is pretty weird that the Omniguard would target Lightwolf two nights in a row and if Lightwolf is immune from night actions, it's a pretty good cover. Either way, it's probable that by lynching Moody we find a pair of scums. And I don't see how we lynch anyone else.
If there is a public inspect role out there and they claim, that's pretty much the only way I see myself voting Lightwolf right now. And I'm definitely in the camp that thinks if there is a public inspect that they should claim.
Your logic is fine it's just misdirected. You're looking too hard at "what happened" and not enough at "why it happened" and not at all at "what were they thinking to act this way based off why"
The last spot is where you find the town/scum motivations
Of course anything after this can be manipulated by scum but everything to this point is fair game
acidphoenix are you referring to the group in #443?
Will read last nights posts later; gotta do coursework
Will read last nights posts later; gotta do coursework
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