My first win... I know, it's pathetic.

Mr. McPeaches

Finally, my UU team has garnered a victory. Now, this may seem nooby (and it actually is, but w/e) but really, I think my strategy is pretty decent now, and I've started to streamline my battle style. Of course, I'm definitely not good, but I'm at least mediocre. :P

Though I've only ever played 5 'real' matches against another human... I still have suxx0red it up. However, to my credit, it was mostly because the other player didn't use UU Pokes.

Anyhoo, this win was against some random kid on a loooong bus ride to Miami University. 3v3, and I didn't feel like making him use UU, so I let him use his EV trained (at least, that's what he claimed... I don't know how great his builds are) Legendary Birds. Course, the birds aren't the most formidable enemies ever, but I somehow managed to beat him using my Grumpig, Exploud, and Torkoal.

Here's a general rundown of the battle... He starts with Articuno; I start w/ Exploud (ms: Shadow Ball/Ice Beam/Rest/Sleep Talk)

He kicks it off with a nice Ice Beam... that freezes my Exploud and does about 40% hp. Well, I respond by switching in my Torkoal... who is also promptly frozen. >_<

Torkoal@ Wide Lens
Fire Spin/Toxic/Rest/Iron Defense

In any case, Ice Beam wasn't going to get anywhere against Torkoal, so he started using Fly... (This is when I knew he wasn't that great). From then on, Torkoal defrosted, and I used Fire Spin, for the first part of my strat. Then, I Toxified him. He couldn't escape, and he couldn't kill my Torkoal (I alternated using Rest and Iron Defense). By the time the Fire Spin ran out, Articuno was down to about 40% hp. He switched to Zapdos. Next, he used Thunder Wave... on my Resting Torkoal... and wasted his turn. However, his Thunderbolt attacks would easily take Torkoal out, so I switched to my Grumpig, who shrugged off the electricity. (Sp. Def. biased EV spread).

I used Sub with my Grumpig and blocked yet another T-wave. (My Grumpig outpaced his Zapdos). Then I whittled away at his Zapdos's health with Extrasensory (I like it more than Psychic). Once he broke the sub, I predicted that he'd try another T-wave... So I switched to my Frozen Exploud. I guessed right and yet another turn was wasted. Then, I got lucky- Exploud defrosted on the next turn after surviving a blast of T-bolt. I hit him with an Ice Beam, and he went down. However, his Moltres took its revenge with Flamethrower, a Critical Hit took down Exploud. I switched back to Grumpig (mostly because it was already weak and I wanted to get its death over with). I got in one more extrasensory before she went down too.

So, it was down to my Torkoal. And, to make the long, arduous battle much shorter... I used my Fire-Toxic Trap to take out both Articuno and Moltres, while Torkoal stayed healthy with Rests every two turns. I felt kind of cheap after winning this way, but hey, my strategy worked... and for once, a more passive form of attacking prevailed.

Anyways... I know that this isn't an amazing battle, and it doesn't prove that my strategy is viable, but I was just happy that I won a battle that both me and my opponent expected me to lose.

(BTW the kid was so surprised that he wouldn't talk to me after that battle... lol)
 
Yeah, congrats. It's always satisfying to beat a OU team with a UU team. And as an added bonus, losing doesn't feel too bad either because you can just shrug it off and say to yourself "Well, I was using UU's." Don't say that to your opponent though, it's bad sportsmanship!

There's a discussion about UU in OU going on at the minute...take a look. :heart:
 
Lee said:
Yeah, congrats. It's always satisfying to beat a OU team with a UU team. And as an added bonus, losing doesn't feel too bad either because you can just shrug it off and say to yourself "Well, I was using UU's." Don't say that to your opponent though, it's bad sportsmanship!

There's a discussion about UU in OU going on at the minute...take a look. :heart:
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I honestly can not stand people who use using UU pokes as an excuse not to win.

Anyway, good job.
 
I honestly can not stand people who use OU pokes against an UU team and then brag about their win.

Good win, although the opponent was as you said it quite the nub, sadly.
 
Lord_Sunday said:
I honestly can not stand people who use using UU pokes as an excuse not to win.

Anyway, good job.
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Yeah, it is kinda lame, blaming defeat on UU pokes. but you have to admit, they are at a disadvantage... I just suck it up and take the loss usually. If I win though, I gloat like crazy :D

"LULZ, you got beat by UU :P"
 
it's never an excuse to blame not winning against OU with a UU team if you agreed to play to begin with knowing full well what you were up against.

When I make non-OU teams, I always gear them towards beating the OU metagame rather than the tier they are meant to be in (ie UU, NU) because I enjoy the challenge. Sometimes I actually win against really OU teams and not against total noobs either and that is awesome. Sometimes I lose but when that happens it's not just saying "oh well, I was disadvantaged by my team". I see why I lost and fix my team so that it's better.

If you're going to be using your UU/NU team in OU, then be prepared to accept defeat when it comes and better yourself. If you're just gonna convince yourself that you lost only because your team wasn't OU then don't bother fighting OUs and just stick to the right tier. Bragging isn't pleasant whether you win with OUs or UUs or NUs but if the player so chooses it, the person who wins against UU with OU has as much right to brag as anyone else.

Not exactly strictly on topic but just throwing this out there considering what the above posters have been saying.

Congrats on the win anyway.
 
I honestly can not stand people who use using UU pokes as an excuse not to win.
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I honestly can not stand people who use OU pokes against an UU team and then brag about their win.
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And I honestly can't stand either.

Therefore I'm right.

In short, a win is a win whatever you use. If you could win with the odds against you than more power to you.
 
I said you can use it as an excuse to yourself, I was quite clear in saying don't say it to the opponent. The fact is, the deck was stacked against you so you have no reason to feel overly dissapointed in yourself, unless the battle dictated otherwise.
 
Lee said:
I said you can use it as an excuse to yourself, I was quite clear in saying don't say it to the opponent. The fact is, the deck was stacked against you so you have no reason to feel overly dissapointed in yourself, unless the battle dictated otherwise.
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yea you can think that. You probably shouldn't even be overly disappointed if you lose to NU teams with your OU team 9 out of 10 times if that's the attitude you take. I mean it's just a game after all, win or lose it doesn't really matter.

Having said that, if you want to become better by being able to beat OU with UU, if you want to make your team better and you agree to go up against OU to test yourself, then blaming it on the odds afterwards for losing isn't really an excuse and isn't gonna help you improve.

If, however, you don't care about any of that and just want to lose to OU for the hell of it, then that's fine too and your choice.

Just don't blame the odds if you knew the odds were stacked against you to begin with. It's like losing your money at a casino and blaming them even though you knew full well there's a good chance you would lose. Or saying "it's no big deal I lost my life savings bsince I was probably going to lose anyway because the odds were against me".
 
Just don't blame the odds if you knew the odds were stacked against you to begin with. It's like losing your money at a casino and blaming them even though you knew full well there's a good chance you would lose. Or saying "it's no big deal I lost my life savings bsince I was probably going to lose anyway because the odds were against me".
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No it's not. Your example shows somebody losing their savings. My example shows somebody losing in a quick match-up on an online simulator.

Having said that, if you want to become better by being able to beat OU with UU, if you want to make your team better and you agree to go up against OU to test yourself, then blaming it on the odds afterwards for losing isn't really an excuse and isn't gonna help you improve.
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Nice, but most people play with UU teams for a chance to be different from the rest, or to use their favourite Pokemon. If I was aiming to win all my matches and better myself, then surely I'd just whack SkarmCressBliss in my team, with a bit of Salamence on the side, no? Fuck no, I play for the fun of it. I take Pokemon just as serious as anyone else, but if I'm not having fun, then I don't see the point.

The fact is I've said to a guy who is clearly having troubles, that he doesn't need to feel too bad about losing repeatedley due to the nature of his team. At which point you choose to argue otherwise. I'm sorry, but when his teams BST equals 2340, and the opponents equals 3600, he is entitled to take a loss with a pinch of salt. I've never, ever encouraged him to say "Well, you only beat me because blahblah..."
 
Plus, I admit that my losses were my fault, not due to the discrepancy in tiers. It's simply too much of a hassle to try to fight UUs all the time, so I often fight OUs for fun. And, yes, it's just for fun for me. My favorite Pokes are Grumpig, Torkoal, Exploud, and Zangoose, among others, so I won't hesitate to use them, despite their relative weakness to other OU Pokes.
 
Huh, interesting your faorites are all from 3rd gen. I'd definitely have to say that relatively few of the pokes I really like come from any gen past the second. :P
 
Congratz on the win, this was a whimsical little read. ^_^

To add my two cents to the argument, well, I really don't like to think to myself "I would have won if I had been using OUs" or whatever. For me, forming an UU team designed for an OU environment means that you have to learn to handle the OU environment, and your team has to be built that way. You're not completely disadvantageous, because you do have the surprise factor of Nasty Plot Toxicroak rather than if you just slapped a Gengar on your team.

Also, I used to think "Well anyone can make a team with OU crap (like Specsmence, Scarfchomp, etc.), it takes real strategy to use UU Pokes in an OU environment!" I don't anymore. It takes synergy to form a successful team, it's true anyone can toss DDGyara and SkarmBliss and CBHera and some other potent threats in a salad bowl and hope a decent team comes out, and it's true you can use UU and think to yourself "Yep, I'm being clever and original by using UU!", but the real skill and challenge comes from making a team with synergy.
 
Lee said:
The fact is I've said to a guy who is clearly having troubles, that he doesn't need to feel too bad about losing repeatedley due to the nature of his team. At which point you choose to argue otherwise.
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My first post wasn't directed at you at all. It was my opinion in relation to what had been said by the 4 posters before me including you. My opinion on the matter happened to differ from yours and I was merely stating them, not trying to argue with you.

I think this has gone off topic enough now so I regret bringing this up.
 
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