checks are not counters
counters can just switch in like fur coat giratina can switch into sturdy shed
meanwhile checks win 1v1 but can't switch in
groudon can't switch into steam eruption and prankster electrify is really really bad because it doesn't even do anything. instead run like defensive desolate land which is like 100000x better. for the record manectric is pretty weak anyway so guys like chansey, regenvest bois, steels, and so on can just switch in either way.
scarf entrainment gengar-mega is bad. it gets walled by ghosts/normals depending on move 4, it gets locked into entrainment which is really bad vs offense and defeats the whole purpose of using gengar (because it gets forced out), and it's just so passive like the most damage it can do is with super effective revelation dance or maybe destiny bond something.
as an aside: don't think that i'm trying to hurt you or something with this criticism. just know this: you'll never be respected if you don't listen to anyone. thanks have a good day something something never take ap world history
I did listen, which is why I responded. Listening doesn't have to always mean agreeing with others. I think by replying to anyone that responds to me, I show that I care enough to hear their point and respond in kind.
If you judge by the details in my post, I go into the other person's point to address their comments with detail, if I didn't listen I wouldn't bother... especially since I type these things from an iPhone, so it's harder and takes longer to copy and paste/type, etc...
I did agree with some points, again you missed the part in my post where I said "
troll Scarf Entrainment Normalize Mega-Gengar". A troll set isn't mean to be taken seriously because it is simply a set that annoys opponents by sheer surprise.
Like having a troll Level 1 Sturdy Bulbasaur @ Shell Bell, with Endeavor, Pain Split (For Ghosts), Leech Seed, Toxic, it's meant to just show that unorthodox set can catch an unprepared foe off guard and counter some common sets like a Contrary Mega Mewtwo-X. Spore, Leech Seed and Toxic won't affect it due to typing so it handles common sleep and Magic Bounce, allowing it to be just effective enough to pull off a troll set. (Poison as secondary typing over Steel due to Poison-typing making Toxic 100% accurate, although Steel provides resists to Stealth Rock and Sandstream immunity).
I dont promote level 1 bulbasaur for anyone, just an example of when troll sets are used.
Many people misinterpreted my Groudon, Gengar, etc as me promoting the set for anyone to just slap onto a team, I had to reinstate the context for the discussion. And I agree that a Desolate Land, or even better, a Water Absorb (isn't immediately obvious) set would be better than Prankster Electrify.
I simply, as I first mentioned, said the first quick check I thought of.
Again, it all began regarding subbing in a move over Spore, whether it be Lovely Kiss or Light of Ruin, then it became how do I Imposterproof that new set, so I responded with something that can be used against it once it is in.
Also Groudon wouldn't have to waste 20 turns if Electrify, now that I think of it... it is already immune to Thunderbolt, resists Light of Ruin (recoils hurts Manectric), and is only threatened by Steam Eruption, as it can Shore Up as it survives Ice Beam easily as Imposter lacks Life Orb.
I meant to say check, as I do know the difference (I.e. Prankster Destiny Bond users are checks not counters because they have to survive the turn they switch in), I meant that once Gengar is in, it is immune to all of Manectric. As is Electrify Groudon.
But if it helps, I give you credit for explaining why/what could be better in my posts, which also takes effort to be detailed. And it helps if I didn't already figure it out at times when I didn't pay as close attention as I could have. I will say thank you for the effort and details in all of your and others' post. Especially as you don't want me to feel personally offended, and it is mentioned so I know it's the set, not simply the user being critiqued.
Either way, sometimes it works but doesn't translate to paper, so I sometimes think that if half of the people who criticize whatever I post used the sets themselves they may be pleasantly surprised... listening cuts both ways... I remember even saying "try it out if you don't believe me", and I meant it because it worked for me Without luck being a factor.
Rumors is always fair, I appreciate you finding the small nuggets of info that you like in my post and giving me credit, such as agreeing Life Orb is not on an Imposter user, so the damage output is different. Thanks! Your Choice Specs story reminds me of a trainer that used a Choice Scarf Chansey over Choice Scarf Blissey bc he could bluff Eviolite, but still always go first. Quite the surprise until he told me why he always won the assumed speed tie.
I agree it is paper, but I have tried the sets as well. Maybe I got lucky in all my battles when it worked, maybe the other opponent made mistakes or wasn't very good to begin with. Anyways, it works when it works, and fails when it fails. Even practicing in matches depends on so many factors, like the rest of your team, their team, when you use your set during the match, hazards being up, etc.
P.S. Ironically I did take AP World History when I was in high school...